VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[El_Magnifico]

Your logic doesn't track. You're suggesting that someone doesn't read magazines because it doesn't tell us in the game that she likes to read magazines? And you're saying she may not know this word... well, she clearly does know it, because it tells us in the game that she knows it. And she uses it in the right context. People are not just black and white, you'd be surprised at what people know that you wouldn't have expected them to know. If she knows the word and its meaning, there's no reason that she wouldn't use it, regardless of the circumstance, if the context fits.

And suggesting that because someone is a drug addict and dealer means they can't know "long and complicated phrases" (and it wasn't really long or complicated), is very narrow minded. Have you ever seen Breaking Bad? Or any of a host of other drug-themed shows or movies? Some incredibly intelligent people are drug addicts and dealers...

Funnily it's the same thing with Lily when she gets very defensive when she, or strippers in general, are labeled as stupid and promiscuous. Despite being herself a stripper and a drug user, she plans to work in healthcare and her stipper activity is just a way to ensure that she has no debts or mortgages to pay after college.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

I'm expecting 5 J/M paths, based on your choices.

Throuple stays together
Throuple breaks and MC stays with Josy.
Throuple breaks and MC stays with Maya.
Throuple breaks and no one is with anyone.
MC leaves throuple and Josy/Maya stay together.

6. MC dumping Throuple again for reunite with Zoey
Another big drama is coming!

 

[Better Cock Spock]

I'm expecting 5 J/M paths, based on your choices.

Throuple stays together
Throuple breaks and MC stays with Josy.
Throuple breaks and MC stays with Maya.
Throuple breaks and no one is with anyone.
MC leaves throuple and Josy/Maya stay together.

6. MC dumping Throuple again for reunite with Zoey
Another big drama is coming!

7. The throuple combines into one entity a la The Fly

I use the term paradigm shift in everyday conversation, it's not uncommon to hear others use it every now and then. I've used terms like antiquated, residual, and verbatim in verbal spats with the ex-wife, which are all, in my opinion, more complicated than the term paradigm shift, so your argument about it being a complicated phrase or a long sentence is mute. All in all, I wouldn't say any of those words are difficult to use for any English-educated individual. My IQ is average and none of the words I just used as examples are beyond my grasp of understanding. I find it more difficult to view that phrase as overly complicated than simple. The only way I could see it feeling complicated is if English was a language an individual was unused to.

Who are you, Albert Einstein? Leonardo da Vinci? Magnar?

 

[Lagunavii]

I'm expecting 5 J/M paths, based on your choices.

Throuple stays together
Throuple breaks and MC stays with Josy.
Throuple breaks and MC stays with Maya.
Throuple breaks and no one is with anyone.
MC leaves throuple and Josy/Maya stay together.

I can see 4 of them being a definite option, the josy/Maya staying together I have trouble with. As I've said and as Geralt From Rivia went on to further elaborate. With out MC to sorta be the stabilising factor in that relationship. Josy and Maya aren't really that compatible or into each other (esp after having been with MC)

 

[Chalk boss]

I use the term paradigm shift in everyday conversation, it's not uncommon to hear others use it every now and then. I've used terms like antiquated, residual, and verbatim in verbal spats with the ex-wife, which are all, in my opinion, more complicated than the term paradigm shift, so your argument about it being a complicated phrase or a long sentence is mute. All in all, I wouldn't say any of those words are difficult to use for any English-educated individual. My IQ is average and none of the words I just used as examples are beyond my grasp of understanding. I find it more difficult to view that phrase as overly complicated than simple. The only way I could see it feeling complicated is if English was a language an individual was unused to.

You're transferring your personal experience to the experience of the game. That's wrong.
You probably got a good education, you have life experience, you communicate with a lot of people and read and it is quite natural for you to say such florid phrases and words in an argument. And besides, it's wrong to transfer reality into art. Art is not a copy of reality, but an artist's interpretation of it.

Your logic doesn't track. You're suggesting that someone doesn't read magazines because it doesn't tell us in the game that she likes to read magazines? And you're saying she may not know this word... well, she clearly does know it, because it tells us in the game that she knows it. And she uses it in the right context. People are not just black and white, you'd be surprised at what people know that you wouldn't have expected them to know. If she knows the word and its meaning, there's no reason that she wouldn't use it, regardless of the circumstance, if the context fits.

And suggesting that because someone is a drug addict and dealer means they can't know "long and complicated phrases" (and it wasn't really long or complicated), is very narrow minded. Have you ever seen Breaking Bad? Or any of a host of other drug-themed shows or movies? Some incredibly intelligent people are drug addicts and dealers...

The people in Breaking Bad are adults. If you follow Jesse's lines, you'll notice he never uses complicated words. He talks like a drug addict, he has a lot of slang and swear words. Walter White, on the other hand, speaks in long sentences and has complex speech structures because he is more educated and intelligent than Jesse.
It's kind of weird that you're justifying an obvious mistake by DPС. The dialog in the game is poorly written. First of all, they are all frontal, there is no subtext in them. Secondly, the language in the game is very poor and functional, there are no interesting references to pop culture. Third, all the characters speak the same way. Josy's vocabulary is not fundamentally different from Maya's.
The script and especially the dialog is tricky. Aaron Sorkin used to lock himself in his house all day and write his famous action dialogs. Oscar Wilde could wake up in the morning put a comma in and delete that comma during the day.
He could throw away several pages of drafts because of the wrong word or phrase.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Since we are still months away from the release how about we play a little game?

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These are all my guesses, let's how much I get right in the update.

No Nicole lewd: Nicole is one of those SGs who has conquered a LIish role, completely skipping a chapter seems impossible to me, no sex scenes unlikely, but not impossible

Lily date: It depends on what you mean by date, I don't think anything particularly romantic, but a scene with just the 2 of them, even not lewd, yes

Jill makes a move on Bella : To steal MC from her? Could be, something should happen in the mountains.

Rio gets freed quickly: I'm pretty sure

J/M meet Neil :It is strange enough that Josy has not met him yet. As with Jill, if Sage does it, I don't see why they shouldn't do it as well.

Elena lewd: The time is ripe, if there is room it will happen

No Bianca lewd:It may still be early days, but the mountain setting nonetheless will mark a step forward

Vixen lewd: With the underwear party, it seems likely to me

No Quinn lewd:If the DEA doesn't come and take her away, I don't see how a lewd scene with her could not be there.

 

[MiltonPowers]

I can see 4 of them being a definite option, the josy/Maya staying together I have trouble with. As I've said and as Geralt From Rivia went on to further elaborate. With out MC to sorta be the stabilising factor in that relationship. Josy and Maya aren't really that compatible or into each other (esp after having been with MC)

I would agree that it 100% doesn't make sense (But I still think it will be a possible path set up).

 

[Bazsa4]

I'm expecting 5 J/M paths, based on your choices.

Throuple stays together
Throuple breaks and MC stays with Josy.
Throuple breaks and MC stays with Maya.
Throuple breaks and no one is with anyone.
MC leaves throuple and Josy/Maya stay together.

Sage joins them
Mark my words

 

[Crusader of Romance]

No Nicole lewd: Nicole is one of those SGs who has conquered a LIish role, completely skipping a chapter seems impossible to me, no sex scenes unlikely, but not impossible

Lily date: It depends on what you mean by date, I don't think anything particularly romantic, but a scene with just the 2 of them, even not lewd, yes

Jill makes a move on Bella : To steal MC from her? Could be, something should happen in the mountains.

Rio gets freed quickly: I'm pretty sure

J/M meet Neil :It is strange enough that Josy has not met him yet. As with Jill, if Sage does it, I don't see why they shouldn't do it as well.

Elena lewd: The time is ripe, if there is room it will happen

No Bianca lewd:It may still be early days, but the mountain setting nonetheless will mark a step forward

Vixen lewd: With the underwear party, it seems likely to me

No Quinn lewd:If the DEA doesn't come and take her away, I don't see how a lewd scene with her could not be there.

I completely agree with you on this.

 

[MiltonPowers]

Sage joins them
Mark my words

Permanently or for a foursome?

 

[Crusader of Romance]

I'm expecting 5 J/M paths, based on your choices.

Throuple stays together
Throuple breaks and MC stays with Josy.
Throuple breaks and MC stays with Maya.
Throuple breaks and no one is with anyone.
MC leaves throuple and Josy/Maya stay together.

This does sound likely, yeah. I expect a chance to switch path in Episode 12, at the latest, or at least a chance to break up.

 

[Lagunavii]

I would agree that it 100% doesn't make sense (But I still think it will be a possible path set up).

I would agree that it 100% doesn't make sense (But I still think it will be a possible path set up).

It could be possible, anything is, it's just with current set up in the Thruple Path I can't see any meaningful way it could work (obviously that's not to say there isn't one)

To me MC is the glue that holds them together and without him they're nothing really. Obviously Maya/Josy works when you're not on any other path, so there is always the potential they can work here, but again wen on ay other path the pair have not experienced the things MC brings

 

[Bootyman92]

Since we are still months away from the release how about we play a little game?

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These are all my guesses, let's how much I get right in the update.

Let me take a whack at this

Sally's lewd: There is a possibility, but it almost feels too soon that DPC would let Tremolo snack on that petite peach.
Mona's return: As much as I hate to say it, it's unlikely but I do reiterate my point of how it doesn't have to be B&R that returns her to the story.
Jill's Johnathan: Given that the very first preview was Lana, it is possible the story might bring him in, but I don't think we'll meet him just yet.
Nora gets pregnant: Given that you only got one time to finish in her, I'd say it's still too early.
Zoey lewd: She's probably still trying to figure out her feelings, but if you do play the monk's path, there might be a possibility.
Sage threesome: Camila is the strongest candidate for this, given the chat that was had during the pool game.
Jill meets Neil: We've met Geoff and Amelia, it's not too out there to think Thanksgiving would be perfect to bring Jill home, given how serious the relationship is.
DIK's fight among themselves: if Tommy continues to be a prick about Josy, maybe. When he finds out about Nick and Heather (AND sucking off Tremolo), most definitely.
Madame Rose lewd: We can dread it, run from it, but it is INEVITABLE (Bell dong) DPC's probably cooked an anal scene as we speak.
Jade leak fallout: Oh ho, the fallout with Sage will be NUCLEAR.
Josy & Maya breakup: Outside of their path, it looks like it might just happen don't know if it will be this episode, though.
Blindfold game (Panty Party): If you've made Tremolo a committed man, I don't see him taking part (subject to player choice though), but that could cook up some pretty fun situations.
Maya's contract issue: Given that Jill has involved her family's lawyer, we'll see what developments this brings in the success of getting the contract, but I don't think it'll be solved now.
Josy's hobby: the joke of Josy's hobby being Tremolo's designated hitter (since she loves his bat so much ), I wonder what she could get up to.
Heather lewd: Given how crappy she's felt about what she did with Nick, I don't know if there'll be a continuation just yet.
No Nicole lewd:

Lily date: Maybe, just maybe, you'll do something together.
Jill makes a move on Bella: The only possibility in this might just be on that path where you romance them both but pick Bella over her, otherwise, a Christmas miracle would have to take place on her solo path.
Rio gets freed quickly: Quinn will probablyhave to sacrifice something on her part and compromise, or we might just go on the most risky rescue mission in the game.
Josy & Maya meet Neil: A possibility, but definitely not a certainty.
Elena lewd: The Panty Party might just be the place, but I also see it as pretty unlikely.
No Bianca lewd: With the introduction of cheating points, I definitely don't see a Bianca lewd being unlikely. If she finds out about Matthew cheating on her outside of Jill's path, she may just make a move on Tremolo during the ski trip.
Vixen lewd: Tara and Kylie are the only one's who've sampled Tremolo's baseball bat, but Christie did seem interested during the dorm party.
No Quinn lewd: Oh, she's going to need the stress relief Tremolo's baseball bat gives her once Rio's situation is solved. She might just go full nympho on him.

 

[Bazsa4]

Permanently or for a foursome?

At least for a foursome I'm sure, but maybe permanently as well... I mean, if Josy and Maya catch feeling for Sage, I don't think they would be jealous. Sage doesn't mind sharing, and fuckface... well...

 

[I'm Canadian bub]

You're transferring your personal experience to the experience of the game. That's wrong.
You probably got a good education, you have life experience, you communicate with a lot of people and read and it is quite natural for you to say such florid phrases and words in an argument. And besides, it's wrong to transfer reality into art. Art is not a copy of reality, but an artist's interpretation of it.

Your last point creates a hole in your argument. Are you not inputting your reality onto the characters by saying one in Quinn's shoes should not be speaking as she does? Before that, does an artist not input their reality within their work? DPC isn't a great craftsman of conversation and dialogue but that only increases the likelihood that he writes from his singular point of view. Who's to say he doesn't have experiences similar to the assumptions you had about me? Perhaps he too regularly uses the term paradigm shift so he feels no issue with Quinn saying it.

 

[iamcomming]

sad, there is no way to check what comment was removed as part of our comment cleanup.

btw, when i went in total dik, Derek still got 1 point in hell week. is there way to win x(13?)-0? if it is possible, have any matter?

 

[Better Cock Spock]

sad, there is no way to check what comment was removed as part of our comment cleanup.

btw, when i went in total dik, Derek still got 1 point in hell week. is there way to win x(13?)-0? if it is possible, have any matter?

You and Derek will always get joint points for the car wash, so it will never be a shutout.

 

[Bootyman92]

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Now I understand where the title of episode 11 came from.
I think there's a mistake in the dialog. The word “paradigm” is quite scientific, the first time I've seen the term “ paradigm shift of relationship” was in The Big Bang Theory, which was used by scientists to talk to each other, whereas Penny had never even heard of it.
Quinn is a sadistic drug dealer who has no interest in learning. How did she know about that word? She doesn't read books, she doesn't take classes. She could have said not relationship paradigm but for example relationship model, I don't know why DPC messed up the dialog like that.
Anyway, DPC actually needs a screenwriter a lot more than you think. There is a lot of poorly written dialog in the game that destroys the scene.

paradigm shift:
a fundamental change in approach or underlying assumptions.

This is mainly used in science, but it doesn't just apply to it alone.

In regard to the naming of the episode, I believe this is going to refer to a shift in the relationships of the game, in particular, some people may go through a complete change in how they treat someone they're in friendship/relationship with.

A paradigm shift, in mentality/relationship terms, mainly refers to a significant change in the way that people see something. Here, Quinn is questioning Tommy if what she did with the prep party and her refusal to apologize for it is going to change the nature of their relationship.

We know that later on, Tommy would go to Vinny to solve his habit, which brought him into the picture, and then Lily would undercut Vinny being her supplier by approaching Quinn, which caused him to become a very present problem.

Quinn learning that Vinny threatened Tremolo with his gun, led to a paradigm shift in her refusal to apologize. She mentions that if she hadn't been so hard headed in apologizing to Tommy, maybe all of that wouldn't have happened, and how her Pop's taught her that apologizing is a weakness, where Tommy then tells her that acknowledging your mistakes and apologizing for them is actually a strength.

I'm not playing DPC's advocate, but he wasn't wrong when he used that.

 

[DivineMachine]

I am no... rock scientist and my first language is not.... the american language and still I know and have used paradigm few times in my life.

 

[TonyMurray]

You're transferring your personal experience to the experience of the game. That's wrong.
You probably got a good education, you have life experience, you communicate with a lot of people and read and it is quite natural for you to say such florid phrases and words in an argument. And besides, it's wrong to transfer reality into art. Art is not a copy of reality, but an artist's interpretation of it.


The people in Breaking Bad are adults. If you follow Jesse's lines, you'll notice he never uses complicated words. He talks like a drug addict, he has a lot of slang and swear words. Walter White, on the other hand, speaks in long sentences and has complex speech structures because he is more educated and intelligent than Jesse.
It's kind of weird that you're justifying an obvious mistake by DPС. The dialog in the game is poorly written. First of all, they are all frontal, there is no subtext in them. Secondly, the language in the game is very poor and functional, there are no interesting references to pop culture. Third, all the characters speak the same way. Josy's vocabulary is not fundamentally different from Maya's.
The script and especially the dialog is tricky. Aaron Sorkin used to lock himself in his house all day and write his famous action dialogs. Oscar Wilde could wake up in the morning put a comma in and delete that comma during the day.
He could throw away several pages of drafts because of the wrong word or phrase.

Yeah, as I'm Canadian bub says, you're transferring your personal experience to the experience of the game. You're suggesting that because you think a three-syllable word/four-syllable phrase is difficult, that a character in the game can't possibly know it. Is it because you think you're better than Quinn, so she can't possibly know something you don't?

And now we're upgrading the argument from "drug addicts and dealers" to "drug addicts and dealers who are not adults"? Quinn is not Jesse. Quinn is Quinn, you can't say she wouldn't use long words because this other character in an unrelated work doesn't. My example of BB was a generic one, showing you that there are plenty of examples of intellectual people in the drug world. It's not an example to say the character must match, because that's ridiculous.

Quinn has shown that she has brains. Same as the other example people have given, Lily, who is also involved in the drugs scene. You don't have an argument for Quinn not knowing a simple word that she clearly does know. It's not an "obvious mistake" by DPC at all, it's just a choice he made that you don't agree with.