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There's so very little to base this on, but I'm going to throw this out there: the guy Jill is talking with to help start a campaign in Lana's honor, Jonathan? That's Lana's old boyfriend.

On their way to meet Jill's parents, Jill mentions that Lana bringing her boyfriend home was one of the things that started fights between her and Geoff. She brings it up because she's nervous about how MC will be received, and doesn't have another frame of reference.

Now we've seen Jill communicate with Jonathan twice, and learn he is associated with support groups, and can help Jill with her attempt to create a campaign.


It's not too much of a leap to believe that a reformed punk who might've contributed in some way to his girlfriend's death would want to help people process their own grief, as well as try and prevent similar tragedies. Her death is still shrouded in mystery, but there's hints of drug use, even a possible OD.

Jill doesn't seem the type of person to hold her sister's death against him, especially if he is truly remorseful and has changed for the better. They might not be close, but there's still a connection, hence not talking a lot but Jonathan being on the back of her mind.

As for why Jonathan never made his own campaign in Lana's honor, it wouldn't be very appropriate without the Royce family's approval, and I don't think he would get it from Geoff and Amelia. Jill mentions that "they" would try and stop her, I imagine this is why. They want nothing to do with him, and might even consider it an insult.

Again, there is so little to try and formulate a theory, but I wouldn't rule it out.
It's a lot better theory than some you see around here and makes a lot of sense to me.(y)

I don't know if him being Lana's ex change would change anything (at least not yet). :unsure:
 

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There's so very little to base this on, but I'm going to throw this out there: the guy Jill is talking with to help start a campaign in Lana's honor, Jonathan? That's Lana's old boyfriend.

On their way to meet Jill's parents, Jill mentions that Lana bringing her boyfriend home was one of the things that started fights between her and Geoff. She brings it up because she's nervous about how MC will be received, and doesn't have another frame of reference.

Now we've seen Jill communicate with Jonathan twice, and learn he is associated with support groups, and can help Jill with her attempt to create a campaign.


It's not too much of a leap to believe that a reformed punk who might've contributed in some way to his girlfriend's death would want to help people process their own grief, as well as try and prevent similar tragedies. Her death is still shrouded in mystery, but there's hints of drug use, even a possible OD.

Jill doesn't seem the type of person to hold her sister's death against him, especially if he is truly remorseful and has changed for the better. They might not be close, but there's still a connection, hence not talking a lot but Jonathan being on the back of her mind.

As for why Jonathan never made his own campaign in Lana's honor, it wouldn't be very appropriate without the Royce family's approval, and I don't think he would get it from Geoff and Amelia. Jill mentions that "they" would try and stop her, I imagine this is why. They want nothing to do with him, and might even consider it an insult.

Again, there is so little to try and formulate a theory, but I wouldn't rule it out.
I'd say it's reasonable to assume that Jonathan and Lana's reformed boyfriend are at the very least connected.

"Even so, you all have been in the back of my mind." Refers to a group I think. Lana's friends presumably. Jonathan may simply be a leading figure within the group. Someone who took it upon himself to try to connect with Lana's little sister while the boyfriend was too full of grief and guilt.

Simpler of course if Jonathan is the boyfriend.
 

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It's a lot better theory than some you see around here and makes a lot of sense to me.(y)

I don't know if him being Lana's ex change would change anything (at least not yet). :unsure:
It changes nothing because nothing has happened yet :HideThePain:
But when something does happen, then Jonathan being Lana's boyfriend would make it all more personal, rather than him just being just a support group guy Jill knows.
 
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I'd say it's reasonable to assume that Jonathan and Lana's reformed boyfriend are at the very least connected.

"Even so, you all have been in the back of my mind." Refers to a group I think. Lana's friends presumably. Jonathan may simply be a leading figure within the group. Someone who took it upon himself to try to connect with Lana's little sister while the boyfriend was too full of grief and guilt.

Simpler of course if Jonathan is the boyfriend.
I actually missed the "all", good point. Hmmmm... for a microsecond, I wondered if maybe some of Jill's friends from the sushi date were Lana's friends. Not Bianca or Carla, but maybe Matthew and Olivia, the older ones.

But I'm not really sure they'd be friends with Lana, and I think something like that would've come up by now.
 
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I'm retired, kids have all left home and my wife works away about 60% of the time. So most of the time it's just me and the animals. :)
Seriously I thought you're the same age as me maybe a little older around 2 or 3 yrs. Older than me. I never expected that you are already retired
She what 50 and still wearing braces? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
Darkwen the Josy lover you're being kind to a Senior Citizen she's in her 60's already
I switched it to DIK or whatever to see the variations in dialogue and stuff. :cautious:
It's possible to have a dik affinity with Jill it's just too much work.
 

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I actually missed the "all", good point. Hmmmm... for a microsecond, I wondered if maybe some of Jill's friends from the sushi date were Lana's friends. Not Bianca or Carla, but maybe Matthew and Olivia, the older ones.

But I'm not really sure they'd be friends with Lana, and I think something like that would've come up by now.
I've got the impression that part of the problem Lana had with her parents was that they thought her friends to be below Royce standards. Jill's friends seem to be within the same wealth class. Also the "being at the back of her mind" would imply that Jill doesn't see them on a regular basis. Bianca, Carla etc probably met Lana at some point, but it seems very unlikely that they were part of that friend group.
 

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Seriously I thought you're the same age as me maybe a little older around 2 or 3 yrs. Older than me. I never expected that you are already retired
I'm actually still not retirement age yet, but had a business that I decided to sell about 6 years ago and retired early. :)

It's possible to have a dik affinity with Jill it's just too much work.
For all those MG paths - I have the main path with the proper affinity, but then I just switch the affinity at the start of the path and play through to see all the different choices and options. Like being able to grab Sarah & Mel's asses on Jill cheat path.
 

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I've got the impression that part of the problem Lana had with her parents was that they thought her friends to be below Royce standards. Jill's friends seem to be within the same wealth class. Also the "being at the back of her mind" would imply that Jill doesn't see them on a regular basis. Bianca, Carla etc probably met Lana at some point, but it seems very unlikely that they were part of that friend group.
I don't think Bianca and Carla met Lana, Bianca says that she and Jill met as teenagers. Then when Jill brings us into Lana's room, she says that she kept Lana's beanie, which she wore in her "last memory of her"—undoubtedly the Episode 7 intro, and Jill definitely wasn't a teenager then.
 

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I'm actually still not retirement age yet, but had a business that I decided to sell about 6 years ago and retired early. :)
Wow that's great and now you are enjoyinh an early retirement life
For all those MG paths - I have the main path with the proper affinity, but then I just switch the affinity at the start of the path and play through to see all the different choices and options. Like being able to grab Sarah & Mel's asses on Jill cheat path.
Well is there a proper affinity other than Jill. I mean in the game mc can have a dik affinity to Bella as long as your early choices plays well. In Sage path there are some lock choices during a scene but other than that there are no significant changes in the playthrough. In mj path this i'm not sure if you can go dik path here I play it safe and went to chick path and neutral path
 
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I don't think Bianca and Carla met Lana, Bianca says that she and Jill met as teenagers. Then when Jill brings us into Lana's room, she says that she kept Lana's beanie, which she wore in her "last memory of her"—undoubtedly the Episode 7 intro, and Jill definitely wasn't a teenager then.
Is it confirmed that the flashback is Jill's last memory of Lana? It might be the best indication of when Lana actually died. 10 years-ish ago?
 

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Is it confirmed that the flashback is Jill's last memory of Lana? It might be the best indication of when Lana actually died. 10 years-ish ago?
Confirmations are extremely rare.... It is, however, presented as a final farewell. In the photo kept under the bed more or less Jill still looks the same age as in the flashback.
 

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Is it confirmed that the flashback is Jill's last memory of Lana? It might be the best indication of when Lana actually died. 10 years-ish ago?
I don't think so, but I would say it's very much implied. We only ever see Jill as a young girl when reminiscing about Lana or seeing pictures of them together. She's wearing the beanie like Jill said, and despite seeing her wear it basically all the time, she doesn't have it in certain shots. It would make sense storytelling-wise and be thematically appropriate, as Lana has to throw pebbles at the window, climb up to Jill, and tells her to "look at the moon" (written on the Polaroid of Lana and Jill), all stuff that happens with MC when pursuing Jill.
I think this exchange in Episode 9 points to this as well, plus what Amelia said about Lana "not being herself" earlier that night.
But...after Lana passed... He...
He struggled a lot. It's been hard for him to accept that she is gone.
And... He blames himself for it.
He tries to hide it, but... He never forgave himself for what he did.

mc "What did he do?"

He turned her away from home.
She didn't act as he wanted and refused to change for him.
And he thinks that if he only had tried harder, she wouldn't have left, and she'd still be alive today.
He started drinking to hide his sorrow. And...um...
He just changed in many ways.
Confirmations are extremely rare.... It is, however, presented as a final farewell. In the photo kept under the bed more or less Jill still looks the same age as in the flashback.
Yeah it is very much a farewell.
 
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