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"So many failures" I've only counted 3 or 4 plans of hers in the game of which 1 was doing relatively fine (drugsselling) until she was robbed of the newly bought drugs which made her prices skyrocket.

And again, as she expected (and we found out) if she called Tommy she would killed her plan with almost 0% chance of success, instead of what happened now.
We do not know what would have happened if Quinn had warned the diks. We do know that it was for nothing and that if it were not for the relationship between mc and Sage the relationship with the diks would not have been rebuilt.

In my opinion it is not 4, even Mona's management remains a failure, but even if it were 4 it is 4 flops out of 4.

Only Dawe and Arieth, gave her a small victory
 
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Bad luck is not enough to explain so many failures. Quinn's moves are always excessive and desperate. Already deciding that it is a good idea to sell to the preps is questionable, but deciding not to warn the diks, as Sage also asked, is simply asking for trouble. And the relationship with Tommy was also important economically
People from abusive backgrounds often have difficulty acknowledging responsibility for failure, or have problems apologizing, because failure often came with serious ramifications in their past. Quinn displays that, and seems to often double-down rather than simply apologizing.

Her "fucking with people" is another thing, and seems to be a core personality trait: she does it to everyone, whether she likes them or not. She loves pushing buttons and provoking reactions. Her shit with Maya is part of that, as is her shit with Tremolo and Tommy. Sage is pretty much the only one we haven't seen her do this with, maybe because Sage is tougher, or because they have a better relationship? It's not a matter of intelligence, it's just who she is.
 

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We do not know what would have happened if Quinn had warned the diks. We do know that it was for nothing and that if it were not for the relationship between mc and Sage the relationship with the diks would not have been rebuilt.

In my opinion it is not 4, even Mona's management remains a failure, but even if it were 4 it is 4 flops out of 4.

Only Dawe and Arieth, gave her a small victory
Tommy says himself he would've never agreed with the strippers because he had a deal with the hots and would do everything in his power to get them from the preps.

Also I wonder what is happening with Quinns Restaurant in Season 3. Even if she doesn't have the deal with Stephen anymore, she could easily use the money for herself. However everytime Tremolo has/wants sex with one of her "meals" in S3, he doesn't have to pay. The girls even initiate the sex themselfs a couple of times.
 

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. I have doubts that Lily was simply a client with Vinnie, and not already an intermediary as now with Quinn. But even if she were just a client, to "betray" Vinnie without thinking that there will be consequences is very naive
There is zero evidence of any relationship beyond dealer and occassional customer between Vinny and the dancers. Lily buying from someone else is not a betrayal, it's business. It's only dangerous because Vinny is a fucking psycho.

The betrayal is between Quinn and Vinny, who had an arrangement on territories they can and cannot operate in. The only real risk is Vinny moving into Quinn's territory, except, again, Vinny is a psycho, and Riona's paying the price.
 

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The Others path doesn't depend on affinity. If Jill's path is active or Josy & Maya's path, the Others path is blocked. The implication is that with Jill and J&M MC has gone so far that he can no longer go back to playing the field, while with Sage or Bella he can still doubt having a relationship at all. It's ironic because Sage and Bella seem like the most solid relationships in the game.
Will Jill's path, she is insecure and inexperienced and their relationship is very wholesome so MC banging other chicks would be a deal-breaker if she found out.

On J&M's path, MC is so exhausted from all the threesomes he hasn't got the energy to get it up for anyone else. :cool:
 
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Will Jill's path, she is insecure and inexperienced and their relationship is very wholesome so MC banging other chicks would be a deal-breaker if she found out.

On J&M's path, MC is so exhausted from all the threesomes he hasn't got the energy to get it up for anyone else. :cool:
that's why I'm curious what will happen if Jill finds out what Tremolo did during Halloween (when on that route) to and with Bianca and what will almost certainly continue in episode 11. Not 1 but 2 of her closest friends have cheated on her, soon after 2 other of her other close friends betrayed her trust. People have committed suicide for lesser traumas, this would really break her heart.
 

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There is zero evidence of any relationship beyond dealer and occassional customer between Vinny and the dancers. Lily buying from someone else is not a betrayal, it's business. It's only dangerous because Vinny is a fucking psycho.

The betrayal is between Quinn and Vinny, who had an arrangement on territories they can and cannot operate in. The only real risk is Vinny moving into Quinn's territory, except, again, Vinny is a psycho, and Riona's paying the price.
:unsure: :unsure:But what evidence do you want? It's a porn game, not a detective story. Lily would buy from Vinnie for herself and the others, agreeing on price, literally what a middleman is.
 

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:unsure: :unsure:But what evidence do you want? It's a porn game, not a detective story. Lily would buy from Vinnie for herself and the others, agreeing on price, literally what a middleman is.
It's a porn game with a pretty high emphasis on storytelling. That should indeed include some evidence. This is not a game where you only go from sex scene to sex scene with some simple fluff between them.
 
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that's why I'm curious what will happen if Jill finds out what Tremolo did during Halloween (when on that route) to and with Bianca and what will almost certainly continue in episode 11. Not 1 but 2 of her closest friends have cheated on her, soon after 2 other of her other close friends betrayed her trust. People have committed suicide for lesser traumas, this would really break her heart.
Till now MC hasn't done anything to ruin his Jill path, Sure he may or may not have grabbed that ass, but grabbing it and other cheat points will probably lead to a further choice to cheat or not to cheat. And that be the trainwreck for Jill's path.
 

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Till now MC hasn't done anything to ruin his Jill path, Sure he may or may not have grabbed that ass, but grabbing it and other cheat points will probably lead to a further choice to cheat or not to cheat. And that be the trainwreck for Jill's path.
Yup, and Bianca seems more than willing to cheat with Tremolo as well during the Halloween party, so I think that trainwreck path might begin pretty soon now that she almost certainly will leave the current partner if you tell her about the cheating.
 

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Was just checking my screenshot folder:

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Will see in the epilogue :cautious:
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CHICK Zoey is worth it for this scene alone!

But she isn't the only one crying, I am also crying that we still haven't discovered a way to travel back in time and get Mom and her glorious bush!
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...even more crying, is Josy's butt shaped like an onion, or why is my MC crying?

And ofc, my favorite crying moment of S3
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Do you really not understand the phrase "isn't it about time"? It implies that something HAS NEVER HAPPENED. It's not what you say when something hasn't happened for some time.

It is not clear how long Chad and Sage have been together. It may have only been months. Yes, she is shown to have a thing for Chad in Rusty's flashback from two years ago, but her behaviour is more like that of a girl chasing after a guy rather than already being in a relationship. And since she is still wearing the old uniform she likely hadn't become the HOT's president yet, so she wouldn't have had enough status to be Chad's beard yet.

Chad's conversation with Troy implies a long relationship. They most likely were already together when Chad started seeing Sage officially. There is certainly no reason to think being gay is a recent realization to Chad. He may even have formed a pattern with bearding girls. First he does the guy version of playing hard to get to make sure the girl is actually into him. Second get together and act aggressively possessive in public, but act shy about sex in private to buy time. Third start making excuses about performance enhancers. Fourth break up with the girl because "he doesn't love her". Lastly stay "single" for a time before getting a new beard.
i understand. i just think it stupid. so, i suppose she had an exaggeration.

not going in too deep, because it should not have be this way in this case, but only for mentioning, usually sex is before the relationship. not with virgins, but Sage isnt one.

what about the exaggeration?
i identify her behavior like if your gf say again and again to take the used clothers in the laundry keeper and not on the laundry keeper. for two years. sometimes (10-20%) you take in and sometimes (80-90%) you take on. suddenly she storms out and yell "isnt it about time to place it where it should be placed?"
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in my logic, they should have a try to have sex to see his erection problem.
to respond your idea about his behavior what is okay. he can say to Sage, they break up with his ex gf, because his penis isnt working. but she dont say it to anybody, they will mock him. do you really think, Sage was ok with it and now having problems with it? or Sage did not managed to have some test for it? strip, handjob, blowjob... to make him hard or see it really doesnt working.
she just sit with info and now booom it is a big problem.... she isnt this type. she is the president of hots. being a president implies she is active. she do stuff. if she think Chad is cheating, she is very actively spy on him. for example.
maybe if we would talking about Karen i would say yes, i can imagine her sitting and do nothing about his bf's erection problem. or Jill... or Rio... etc...
since i dont like Sage, i did not pay that much attetion to her. so, correct me if i am wrong and she have some proof about his dick or isnt fit in the picture.
Her other being dumb moment was fucking with Tommy and Diks during Diks evaluation which brought Vinny back in the scene. All she had to do was make a simple phone call and inform Diks that they're booked for the day.

So for Quinn it is just fuck around and find out. You can't even feel sorry for her. It is just Karma being a bitch.
being retarted for the story isnt her fault. its dpc. here everyone acted dumber and dumber. Quinn couldnt sent a chat message. Sage doesnt talk with diks and the diks doesnt mention the party to Sage. Elena didnt wanted say a 'i will miss you, because i cant party with you" to JB. other hots didnt wanted say a thing too. tommy made a cry baby scene with "no more party with Quinn" what ended up with "party with Quinn". just now tommy and mc are doing the party planning with Quinn... because Quinn ruined mc's celebration, so mc dont feel anything. he dont have feelings. because wasnt mc that guy who had drama about nothing (Maya and Jojo are a thing)
Bad luck is not enough to explain so many failures. Quinn's moves are always excessive and desperate. Already deciding that it is a good idea to sell to the preps is questionable, but deciding not to warn the diks, as Sage also asked, is simply asking for trouble. And the relationship with Tommy was also important economically
try for more isnt bad idea. but risking what already she had is stupid way to growing bigger.
People from abusive backgrounds often have difficulty acknowledging responsibility for failure, or have problems apologizing, because failure often came with serious ramifications in their past. Quinn displays that, and seems to often double-down rather than simply apologizing.

Her "fucking with people" is another thing, and seems to be a core personality trait: she does it to everyone, whether she likes them or not. She loves pushing buttons and provoking reactions. Her shit with Maya is part of that, as is her shit with Tremolo and Tommy. Sage is pretty much the only one we haven't seen her do this with, maybe because Sage is tougher, or because they have a better relationship? It's not a matter of intelligence, it's just who she is.
intelligence has more type. i would say to understand the another and knowing how to push his/her buttons is maybe part of one type intelligence.
 
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i understand. i just think it stupid. so, i suppose she had an exaggeration.

not going in too deep, because it should not have be this way in this case, but only for mentioning, usually sex is before the relationship. not with virgins, but Sage isnt one.

what about the exaggeration?
i identify her behavior like if your gf say again and again to take the used clothers in the laundry keeper and not on the laundry keeper. for two years. sometimes (10-20%) you take in and sometimes (80-90%) you take on. suddenly she storms out and yell "isnt it about time to place it where it should be placed?"
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in my logic, they should have a try to have sex to see his erection problem.
to respond your idea about his behavior what is okay. he can say to Sage, they break up with his ex gf, because his penis isnt working. but she dont say it to anybody, they will mock him. do you really think, Sage was ok with it and now having problems with it? or Sage did not managed to have some test for it? strip, handjob, blowjob... to make him hard or see it really doesnt working.
she just sit with info and now booom it is a big problem.... she isnt this type. she is the president of hots. being a president implies she is active. she do stuff. if she think Chad is cheating, she is very actively spy on him. for example.
maybe if we would talking about Karen i would say yes, i can imagine her sitting and do nothing about his bf's erection problem. or Jill... or Rio... etc...
since i dont like Sage, i did not pay that much attetion to her. so, correct me if i am wrong and she have some proof about his dick or isnt fit in the picture.

being retarted for the story isnt her fault. its dpc. here everyone acted dumber and dumber. Quinn couldnt sent a chat message. Sage doesnt talk with diks and the diks doesnt mention the party to Sage. Elena didnt wanted say a 'i will miss you, because i cant party with you" to JB. other hots didnt wanted say a thing too. tommy made a cry baby scene with "no more party with Quinn" what ended up with "party with Quinn". just now tommy and mc are doing the party planning with Quinn... because Quinn ruined mc's celebration, so mc dont feel anything. he dont have feelings. because wasnt mc that guy who had drama about nothing (Maya and Jojo are a thing)

try for more isnt bad idea. but risking what already she had is stupid way to growing bigger.

intelligence has more type. i would say to understand the another and knowing how to push his/her buttons is maybe part of one type intelligence.
Well Sage didn't because she delegated the task to Quinn, plus she was pretty worked up and stressed due to her parents being in party. And even talked with MC that she's avoiding the party for that reason.
 

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Sage is pretty much the only one we haven't seen her do this with, maybe because Sage is tougher, or because they have a better relationship?
Why would you try to be on Sage bad side ? She is by far the strongest fighter in the game. She inflicts more damage than Chad, Caleb and even Dwyane. Chad himself was traumatised by his beating. :unsure:
 

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i understand. i just think it stupid. so, i suppose she had an exaggeration.

not going in too deep, because it should not have be this way in this case, but only for mentioning, usually sex is before the relationship. not with virgins, but Sage isnt one.

what about the exaggeration?
i identify her behavior like if your gf say again and again to take the used clothers in the laundry keeper and not on the laundry keeper. for two years. sometimes (10-20%) you take in and sometimes (80-90%) you take on. suddenly she storms out and yell "isnt it about time to place it where it should be placed?"
+
in my logic, they should have a try to have sex to see his erection problem.
to respond your idea about his behavior what is okay. he can say to Sage, they break up with his ex gf, because his penis isnt working. but she dont say it to anybody, they will mock him. do you really think, Sage was ok with it and now having problems with it? or Sage did not managed to have some test for it? strip, handjob, blowjob... to make him hard or see it really doesnt working.
she just sit with info and now booom it is a big problem.... she isnt this type. she is the president of hots. being a president implies she is active. she do stuff. if she think Chad is cheating, she is very actively spy on him. for example.
maybe if we would talking about Karen i would say yes, i can imagine her sitting and do nothing about his bf's erection problem. or Jill... or Rio... etc...
since i dont like Sage, i did not pay that much attetion to her. so, correct me if i am wrong and she have some proof about his dick or isnt fit in the picture.
Well if you know you haven't paid that much attention to her, why do you make so many assumptions? Sage is EXACTLY the type to bottle things up until she explodes. More than likely she kept giving Chad the benefit of the doubt until she found the panties in his gym bag.

Your expectation of Sage only going out with a guy after she has slept with him is also not supported by the facts. Yes, she is eager to get into MC's pants, but you can say no and put her in the friend zone until ep 7 when you can still choose to pursue her. And in ep 10 when Sage talks about her relationship with Heather and Camila, Heather comments that "it's too cute even for Sage". This implies that Sage has always liked the mushy lovey-dovey relationship stuff. So if Chad wanted to take things slow, it would have been absolutely in character for Sage to be patient with him.

Honestly you should just start over. Set all expectations to zero and just let the characters be who they are. If there are holes, let the holes be there. Or if you insist on filling the holes with guesses at least remember that you were guessing and don't dig in your heels when you run into info that contradicts your guesses. Mostly just accept that you don't know and open your mind to what the story actually tells you.
 
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anyone think that it's kinda sus that nick was basically one of the only people (and the only DIK) with his full face and body covered by the costume during the halloween party? i feel like it might have been a play from him to get a sort of "double" into the party that noone wil question the authority of. Also when MC speaks with Leon at the party, nick doesn't say anything and just watches as MC talks to Leon. (honestly, not even denying that this might be a stretch, just something that i noticed that might be of importance)
1738860030219.png Another sus thing that i noticed was the very weird way that nick ate the shrooms, he seems to have a very "watchful" look on his face (i don't think he even ate it here because he was DEFINETELY not as high as the rest of the DIKS, even with the fact that he was drinking beer to "to negate the effect of the mushrooms", he still should have been tripping at least a little). Next he very weirdly asks MC about his secrets, which was setting off some alarms for me 1738859287213.png 1738859256587.png
 

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Well if you know you haven't paid that much attention to her, why do you make so many assumptions? Sage is EXACTLY the type to bottle things up until she explodes. More than likely she kept giving Chad the benefit of the doubt until she found the panties in his gym bag.

Your expectation of Sage only going out with a guy after she has slept with him is also not supported by the facts. Yes, she is eager to get into MC's pants, but you can say no and put her in the friend zone until ep 7 when you can still choose to pursue her. And in ep 10 when Sage talks about her relationship with Heather and Camila, Heather comments that "it's too cute even for Sage". This implies that Sage has always liked the mushy lovey-dovey relationship stuff. So if Chad wanted to take things slow, it would have been absolutely in character for Sage to be patient with him.

Honestly you should just start over. Set all expectations to zero and just let the characters be who they are. If there are holes, let the holes be there. Or if you insist on filling the holes with guesses at least remember that you were guessing and don't dig in your heels when you run into info that contradicts your guesses. Mostly just accept that you don't know and open your mind to what the story actually tells you.
Ambiguity during Chad and Sage's scene is a common way to avoid resentment over the alleged NTR.
There's a lot of stuff like this in the game.
Did Zoey get laid during her year in San Diego? The game doesn't explicitly mention it, but she could have had casual one-night stands.
Why isn't Maya and Josy's lesbian sex scene shown unless you choose to be with them?
I remember someone saying that a lot of fans were unhappy with Josy and Maya's lesbian sex scene in the tent in ep4.
Developer of Westview Academy once said he didn't show the main character's friend's girlfriend just because many fans would be offended that the friend has a beautiful girlfriend.
This reticence is just an attempt to avoid anger from Anti NTR fighters. Sage may or may not have fucked Chad. The game doesn't explicitly say one way or the other.
 
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