VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[funkymonkeyjedi]

While unlikely, it would not be impossible for Carla to be around if MC cheats with Bianca. "Turn me on or I'll turn you in".

That'd be funny, Carla is only available through Bianca? Milton would love that

What if Carla ends up going to the stall with the glory hole?
Oh the possibilities...

 

[iggy.]

She does have quite a bit of Leah vibes already, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

Well I doubt she will rape Tremolo in his sleep, and then set the DIK's mansion on fire.
But, I am curious to see relationship dynamic between her and MC. If Zoey score is super low,he turns down Zoey in a second, without remorse, cold and blunt. If the score is high enough, our guy gets super emotional, so I guess I could see her doing some dumb shit on this path.

 

[felianMDR]

3) "If you asked Zoey to take a photo with you in episode 9, you get + Zoey point."
So, this is the first party for us and our girlfriend in the status of an official relationship, and what are we doing? Taking pictures with ex. Do you think there's nothing wrong with that? Then imagine your girlfriend doing this to her ex-boyfriend.

I don't care about Chad, he gay and actually not worst person if we understand where he come from before.
In your 3, 6 and 8 example you show you understand where is the problem. The fact of you spend time with her (invite her to party at a first place. go to visit her for talk, etc) already enough to look bad. And you haven't option to not do it. My point you shouldn't ignore one flaws while pointing others.

 

[Chillout1984]

Well I doubt she will rape Tremolo in his sleep, and then set the DIK's mansion on fire.
But, I am curious to see relationship dynamic between her and MC. If Zoey score is super low,he turns down Zoey in a second, without remorse, cold and blunt. If the score is high enough, our guy gets super emotional, so I guess I could see her doing some dumb shit on this path.

Did you make her DIK or CHICK?

 

[iggy.]

Did you make her DIK or CHICK?

Well, I have played interlude like twice, so I usually give her DIK affinity. I think it fits her. Still, she takes rejection super hard.

 

[Better Cock Spock]

Well, I have played interlude like twice, so I usually give her DIK affinity. I think it fits her. Still, she takes rejection super hard.

I seriously doubt there'll be any Leah-type psycho shit in the game, and definitely not from someone like Zoey, DIK or not.

 

[UncleFappy]

I seriously doubt there'll be any Leah-type psycho shit in the game, and definitely not from someone like Zoey, DIK or not.

The ol' reverse-psychology-on-oneself-so-you-don't-see-it-coming-and-can-fully-enjoy-the-twist gambit, eh?

 

[Moni23]

The fact of you spend time with her (invite her to party at a first place. go to visit her for talk, etc) already enough to look bad. And you haven't option to not do it. My point you shouldn't ignore one flaws while pointing others.

We've already talked about this. I understand the annoyance of people who don't like Zoey, but they have to spend time with her. I felt the same way when I had to deal with Maya, Josy and their shitty drama for 4 episodes.

 

[Better Cock Spock]

The ol' reverse-psychology-on-oneself-so-you-don't-see-it-coming-and-can-fully-enjoy-the-twist gambit, eh?

Yeah, sure I guess. I'm down with this dumbass idea

 

[Chillout1984]

I seriously doubt there'll be any Leah-type psycho shit in the game, and definitely not from someone like Zoey, DIK or not.

I also don't think Zoey would go that far (we have Vinny and Buddy for that this time), but imo DIK Zoey can still go pretty mental, way beyond what she did with the phone.
She seems like a more extreme version of Sage: Relaxed when everything goes right, but volatile and quite unstable when things go wrong in their lives.

 

[iggy.]

I seriously doubt there'll be any Leah-type psycho shit in the game, and definitely not from someone like Zoey, DIK or not.

I agree with you, but this is PinkCake - drama guaranteed. She probably wont commit felonies, but she will do some dumb shit, and I am looking forward to it

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[Better Cock Spock]

I agree with you, but this is PinkCake - drama guaranteed. She probably wont commit felonies, but she will do some dumb shit, and I am looking forward to it

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Maybe my creativity is limited by stupid stuff like logic and reality or something, but even knowing who is making the game, I'm not getting the vibe from Zoey of any sort of "dumb shit" on the horizon. Another depressed state like when her grandma died, sure, but not like attacking MC's gf or idk, going on a drug-fueled bender or whatever. The most I could see her do is go back to San Diego.

Admittedly though, I was way off base on how anticlimactic Rio's fate would be

 

[El_Magnifico]

I seriously doubt there'll be any Leah-type psycho shit in the game, and definitely not from someone like Zoey, DIK or not.

 

[felianMDR]

We've already talked about this. I understand the annoyance of people who don't like Zoey, but they have to spend time with her. I felt the same way when I had to deal with Maya, Josy and their shitty drama for 4 episodes.

sure, but that's not what I meant. You give example of how it is players choice (that give score) to ruin relationships, but using your logic there wasn't much choice. Even if game automatically reject her, damage still done. I just saying using point system isn't best idea if it give points for wrong reasons (like do photo with her and not the fact you invite her beforehand)

 

[Better Cock Spock]

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I'm spoken for

 

[felianMDR]

I'm spoken for
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she should go for some manicure with Sage

 

[grarg]

That's what you wrote before:

I've given you the facts that prove you're wrong, and Zoey is popular with the players. You're ignoring it. People's opinions have become irrelevant because they don't match yours. Good.

What facts? Bunch of randos who like blue hair did a poll?

I've given you the function of the type of player going through the game:

"It panders to this one very specific, obscure player who: 1) goes on Others, 2) gets tired of manwhoring, 3) suddenly wants some substance and thinks that's what Zoey is, because of windows and Joquinn Phoenix poses...?"​

And unless I'm forgetful you agreed to that.

The addition is you're "nice" to her, which is what you've listed below, which could just be being nice in general, and not caring for her at all:

Maybe my automatic translator didn't correctly show what I wanted to say, otherwise I don't understand why you wrote all this. I'll try another approach.
Your main complaint is that Zoey can be a relationship wrecker because the player was just being polite to her. Let's see how it's described in the official walkthrough:

1. It/she's inherently destructive. She destroys what comes before, invalidating the entire concept of romance and progression in an AVN. Why? Just because you're nice. Now we get more Josy/Maya scenes of anger, and Sage punching her out, or whatever Bella will do to the MC.
2. She comes late, which is silly, with no real buildup or foreshadowing to suppose a relevant twist. She's a destructive wrench instead. This is like introducing a new suspect in a murder mystery in the second last chapter. She's not a romantically serious character. This could have worked, but not the way she was presented or how the choice was given.
3. More bloat for nothing. DPC gave her so much attention, so much useless backstory, an entire aside chapter, that specified her DIK/Chick status, making her a temporary protagonist, to no avail.
4. No Invader Lum. She doesn't have much going for her, or anything worth considering the sheer number of Others already available, and with more involved stories, and way more content. Romance or whatever scenes she is going to have is now to play catch up to MG's and Others' content, making a lame, rushed scenario, dozens of intimate scenes behind. And for what? Blue hair?
5. Her development is slow and pathetic, needing constant reassurance to do the thing she's supposed to. How many more months did she need now for courage to do the deed? Are we literally doing a reluctant arc? She's finished. Her character is done in the story. She's not even a student, so now we have to give her more attention for the sake of it.

It doesn't matter if she's likable. Quinn is likable. Even Becky is likable. That's bare minimum for even being an option.

"You will also automatically reject Zoey if you have too few Zoey points. The points are calculated based on your past choices with Zoey. If you have less than 8 Zoey points, you will automatically reject Zoey."
So, we have to score 8 points so that the "go back to Zoey" option is available. How do we get them?
1) "If you told Zoey you weren’t mad at her in episode 9, you get +3 Zoey points."
Everything is clear here. We're not mad at Zoey because we're polite. We didn't do anything wrong, and we have 3 points.

Exactly. The player doesn't even have to care and is not "Being a DIK."

2) "If you told Derek that Zoey is a better friend than him in episode 9, you get + Zoey point."
That's a controversial point, especially if you're on the Maya/Josy route. Is it really worth saying this? But okay, it's about friendship and the choice between Derek and Zoey. We didn't do anything wrong. 4 points.

That's pretty metaphysical and stupid too, that telling your best friend your old best friend was a better best friend, and she's not in the room. How does she get relationship points? Thinking about her gets you points, huh?

3) "If you asked Zoey to take a photo with you in episode 9, you get + Zoey point."
So, this is the first party for us and our girlfriend in the status of an official relationship, and what are we doing? Taking pictures with ex. Do you think there's nothing wrong with that? Then imagine your girlfriend doing this to her ex-boyfriend.

It's the MC's function in the party. Zoey's got a great costume. If Zoey was a serious romantic character, she'd be the one with the problem, not the MC and his already significant other. Corollary if she's a DIK? To the MC, he's just doing his job, not rekindling some flame. But because her arc still isn't finished, even after an Interlude, she's in limbo. Another scene wasted, and 0 foreshadowing.

4) "If you put Zoey in your top three costume picks in episode 9, you get + Zoey point."
Okay, there's nothing wrong with that. Maybe we really liked her costume. But if we're dating Sage, is it really a good idea to make her nervous? But let's leave that out, 5 points.

"There's nothing wrong with that."

5) "If you told Zoey that she could crash at your place in episode 9, you get + Zoey point."
I'll skip this one because it's only available on the others branch

No different than letting anyone else stay after a party, because that's his function as a host. If the MC doesn't care who it is, neither should we.

6) "If you hung out with Zoey in episode 10, you get +2 Zoey points."
See point 3.

Apparently hanging out with people at a party is bad?

7) "If you told Jacob you weren’t cool with him going for Zoey in episode 10, you get +3 Zoey points."
Do I have to explain anything at all? It's pretty obvious that we won't block Jacob if we're loyal to our girlfriend.

This does go into the MC's intentions, but it's unclear what it implies. Is he uncomfortable? Why? It seems more open ended as it doesn't allow the MC to make a choice publicly with his frat brother. Again, a metaphysical element like with Derek where she isn't in the room and somehow you "gain a point" with her? Silly.

8) "If you hugged Zoey when you visited her in episode 11, you get + Zoey point."
See point 3.
So, we were polite, but we didn't do anything that could create tension, and we only got 5 points. So if you had the option to "Go back to Zoey" available, it's not her fault. It's your fault. You created this situation with your actions.

Pff.

• 2 options were just talking to other people about Zoey: 1 with Derek being a better friend, the other not wanting Jacob to hook up with her. Maybe you don't want Jacob to have a relationship, or treat her as a fling. Or knowing in either case, Zoey would still be around. Who knows what that implies. Either way, it's magical-metaphysical silly point-gaining nonsense where she's not in the room.
• In other cases, MC is just being a good party host (which is his function in the story). He'd do this with anyone who's got a good costume for a photo or competition, needs to crash, or just to talk to. You could argue he's moved on, or simply doesn't care.
• And in all cases, the MC is simply being a nice guy. Because he doesn't care, and that's the default route of Being a DIK for some.

Irrelevant. Instant rejection.

Unless:

1. She wasn't inherently destructive and did something intelligent or clever to get the MC's attention again. Romance, coniving her way into a 3some, you name it. Instead, just one big wrecking ball.
2. She was presented as an option early and properly, most of these go away. MG, Side Girl, whatever. But that involves:
3. She wasn't bloat. So no Interlude/2nd protagonist/hilarious panic attack-run cycle, call a friend for courage etc. waste of time. And definitely no "choose me" scene forced nonsense. Hamfisted, thy 2nd name is Zoey.
4. Had a lot going for her: something on the likes of being as hot as Sage/Bella, rich and as integrated as Jill and Sage, being associated with an antagonist, some intricate backstory, something. History, Blue hair, ass and art skills don't cause an MC to break off romantic relations with others. Tie it in with resolving conflict in the plot (i.e. Bella's house, haircut, etc.) periodic flirting, some kind of intimate scenes, and you've got something. Rivalry with Derek would be an easy good touch, too.
5. Similar to 2, but make her revelation either immediate and meaningful, or explained in a series of conversations they have about their time together and what it meant to her. Instead of one big stupid scene. Such stuff should be reserved for an MG, or a character like Quinn, who again, 2.

As a character, her arc is done, regardless of rejection. How that's going to work in the story is, again, all up DPC and his perfect writing...

 

[Better Cock Spock]

she should go for some manicure with Sage

I'd love to treat Bella—and the other girls—to a spa day

 

[felianMDR]

I'd love to treat Bella—and the other girls—to a spa day

careful with your wishes. spa planning mini game incoming.

but for real people hate this games? I kinda like little pazzle type stuff like party planner. ngl I don't like beer pong as there easy spammy strat to win. and fighting/phone games just repeatable = boring after some time.
I don't talk scenes (beer pong best then ) just mechanics.

 

[Chillout1984]

Maybe my creativity is limited by stupid stuff like logic and reality or something, but even knowing who is making the game, I'm not getting the vibe from Zoey of any sort of "dumb shit" on the horizon. Another depressed state like when her grandma died, sure, but not like attacking MC's gf or idk, going on a drug-fueled bender or whatever. The most I could see her do is go back to San Diego.

Admittedly though, I was way off base on how anticlimactic Rio's fate would be

Logic, in this game? Most situations in this game wouldn't happen if the dev used logic xD

This game is just mostly a chain reaction of college-comedy and soap opera tropes.