VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Better Cock Spock]

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Case in point

 

[Chillout1984]

As soon as I read this, my mind was cast to the poll d2d did last month [#365,864]. The first question was this:


And the second one was:


What if it does happen -which I obviously don't-? Do you reckon it's plausible? Me, I think (and hope) it's the second if it has to happen. I like Quinn, but I don't think she's 100% redeemed herself yet and might be subject to further karma payback, specially now that she called the cops and Buddy/Vinny might retaliate to get her out of hiding.

I put this as an inline spoiler because it's just a mini rant. Yes, she's done really shitty, scummy stuff, but she's now trying to do the right thing for once. I don't want to start another "Quinn sucks" v "Quinn rules" or "She's had it rough growing up" because there's nothing at all I can add anyway. It is just the opinion of a stranger.

I answered yes on both of those questions. I'm of the believe that Vinny and/or Buddy (probably only 1 of them) will die and I'm pretty sure that on the Quinn path Tremolo will be shot while defending either Quinn, Riona or 1 of the DIKs (probably Tommy). I even think that Tremolo will be shot anyway no matter the path, since I think that if we're not on Riona and/or Quinn's path, Quinn will call in the help of Tommy who in turn calls Tremolo for help.

 

[Darkwen]

DAMN what if side girls get a true ending

 

[WolfmanBR]

I just want to comment on these crimes you mention, because I think you are blowing things a bit out of proportion.
Sex trafficking means the use of some sort of force, fraud or coercion, which is not the case. What Quinn does is simply pimping, which is quite different.
Drug trafficking is quite a broad term, but in the end Quinn is a street-level dealer for stuff like weed and shrooms, not El Chapo.
Sexual exploitation: not the case, as mentioned, only pimping.
Blackmail: I don't know where you even get that from. The restaurant girls work in the restaurant for money, not because they are blackmailed.

If that's the case on the penal system of yout country, okey. I can't safely say that in the penal system of my country all the the aforementioned crimes would be on the police and justice radar of different levels. It all depends on the legal system.

 

[iamcomming]

Well, someone's involvement in driving someone to suicide is quite difficult to prove.
As a rule, those held accountable for such cases act very rudely, the obviousness of their actions is high, which allows us to collect a sufficient evidence base for the accusation.
Such people who act in such a manner often suffer from some forms of mental disorders themselves.
I cannot accept the example you gave as an argument.
Because driving to suicide requires systematic and rude psychological influence on the victim, which can really drive some people to a state of despair.
But when I said "manipulations" I meant something completely different.
You are simply exaggerating and using an inappropriate example.

but we dont need any proving/evidence, since we have a confession in ep11.
if you compare Sage and nothing the form of mental disorder isnt Sage's. Sage is glad, while nothing feels and see herself as a parasite.
i think Rio is in despair now. she can stand up, she can hit and yell. i would say it is rather mental instead of physically.
she just sit in a dark room without any social interaction to anyone.
as you can not accept the example, i can not accept it would be inappropirate example.

but sure it is exaggerating. i usually love larging up things, because peoples are more sensitive for bigger stuff.
if i steal 1 dollar, nobody cares, if i steal a phone or something expensive, somebody would care.

the best part, morally there is no difference between little manipulation and big manipulation. because we are speaking over the fact of the manipulation, not measure of the manipulation. the measure of the crime has relation with the measure of the punishment.
you know, if i steal 1 apple, i go in prison for 1 year. if i steal 10 apple, i go in prison for 10 year. (yes it is another example what most people would call unappropriate, but i think you can understand what the example want to say)

i think, at this point we reached a common point. we agreed the society takes the responsibility on the manipulator at this big example and arresting the manipulator. i do the same even the little manipulation cases. what makes all of this kind of thing like "free-will" or "power of say - duck off" is just miscommunication/lie/making excuses what blames Rio instead of the real accountable person, nothing.

everyone is free to think i am wrong. (and/or crazy ) you too. doesnt change anything, i just drew a parallel with a larger case. out of the international legal system. the measure never will change the responsibility.

regards.

 

[WolfmanBR]

Blaming the victim is always an excuse for predators, for the "strong-minded" types or for the "born-so-intelligent-they-never-did-anything-they-didn't-want-to-do-because-since-birth-they-know-how-to-say-fuck-off-and-have-even-said-so-much-to-their-parents" types.

We have among us the pinnacle of homo sapiens evolution, ladies and gentlemen. Let's take bow me bathe in his greatness!!!

 

[Roger-a-Dale]

Yes we are ignoring the point of there being a different manager because we do not know, so may have started with Quinn, may have started with a different person. Tomato To-mato.

Now to explain my point:
Sage could not have been president until maybe second or third year according to Tommy's flashback when Sage says about her position and how she won't break the partying with the jocks on her first term. The election is used as a point because that would mean Sage would know about it whether intentionally or unintentionally and currently, she doesn't know that her hot sisters are being pimped out. Also the election is pointed out because Sage could have found out unintentionally whether by listening to other hots or walking in on a transaction like the way Lily did.

So that supports why the restaurant did not exist until Quinn came along and Stephen found the perfect person to run the shady operation with Quinn handling the rest and lying to Sage about the origins of the funds.

Sage became president at the start of her second year. The election would have happened at the end of her first year. That is to say before any of the current members aside from Sage herself and possibly Arieth had gotten into B&R.

You insist that Sage would have found out about the restaurant during her campaign, but you have no basis for this claim. I pointed out to you that Stephen could have ordered the restaurant girls to vote for Sage and persuade others to do the same. If her opponent was involved in the restaurant forcing the issue would have been even easier. How well Sage knew the girls is absolutely meaningless. And even if Stephen didn't rig the election Sage might have simply have been a better choice than her opponent. It is not necessary for her to know her sisters. It's the opposite. She would have gotten their votes by getting them to know her. That's how all elections are won. The voters vote for the candidate they believe will do a better job.

Your insisting that the truth would have gotten out ignores the fact that for at least a year it hasn't gotten out. If it can stay hidden for a whole year it can stay hidden for two. Or three. Or five. Or several decades. All those years predate Quinn getting cocky, which is why the truth is about to get out. And strictly speaking the truth has not gotten out yet. The story might be playable in a way that Sage never finds out. It would be anticlimactic if Sage can never find out no matter what you choose, but it is not impossible that her finding out will depend on player choices.

 

[EEMNHMQI]

I answered yes on both of those questions. I'm of the believe that Vinny and/or Buddy (probably only 1 of them) will die and I'm pretty sure that on the Quinn path Tremolo will be shot while defending either Quinn, Riona or 1 of the DIKs (probably Tommy). I even think that Tremolo will be shot anyway no matter the path, since I think that if we're not on Riona and/or Quinn's path, Quinn will call in the help of Tommy who in turn calls Tremolo for help.

Me too. IMO those two events would happen since Vinny carries a gun and someone's bound to get shot or killed and perhaps it will happen in the same scene.

Also, maybe MC's text to Riona may hint that she's coming back "one last time", but that would depend on her reaching out to him (perhaps only on her path)

 

[Chillout1984]

Me too. IMO those two events would happen since Vinny carries a gun and someone's bound to get shot or killed and perhaps it will happen in the same scene.

Also, maybe MC's text to Riona may hint that she's coming back "one last time", but that would depend on her reaching out to him (perhaps only on her path)

We only get to send the second text (and the truth) on Quinn's path however. Maybe Riona will return on any route, but because of Quinn's confession MC might work as a mediator between Quinn and Riona if we're on Quinn's path.

 

[EEMNHMQI]

We only get to send the second text (and the truth) on Quinn's path however. Maybe Riona will return on any route, but because of Quinn's confession MC might work as a mediator between Quinn and Riona if we're on Quinn's path.

Then maybe the only difference would be dialogue lines...? On Quinn's, taking into account her confession, I guess it depends on what she ends up doing after going into hiding and for how long would she be hiding. But in the end, given the fact that she started trusting more and more on MC, I agree on that she might ask for help

 

[KАRАMBA]

Let's take bow me bathe in his greatness!!!

 

[FalconLover420]

Sage became president at the start of her second year. The election would have happened at the end of her first year. That is to say before any of the current members aside from Sage herself and possibly Arieth had gotten into B&R.

You insist that Sage would have found out about the restaurant during her campaign, but you have no basis for this claim. I pointed out to you that Stephen could have ordered the restaurant girls to vote for Sage and persuade others to do the same. If her opponent was involved in the restaurant forcing the issue would have been even easier. How well Sage knew the girls is absolutely meaningless. And even if Stephen didn't rig the election Sage might have simply have been a better choice than her opponent. It is not necessary for her to know her sisters. It's the opposite. She would have gotten their votes by getting them to know her. That's how all elections are won. The voters vote for the candidate they believe will do a better job.

Your insisting that the truth would have gotten out ignores the fact that for at least a year it hasn't gotten out. If it can stay hidden for a whole year it can stay hidden for two. Or three. Or five. Or several decades. All those years predate Quinn getting cocky, which is why the truth is about to get out. And strictly speaking the truth has not gotten out yet. The story might be playable in a way that Sage never finds out. It would be anticlimactic if Sage can never find out no matter what you choose, but it is not impossible that her finding out will depend on player choices.

Its the same thing with the insinuation that the restaurant has been going on for ages and we are just discussing just for discussing. We have no idea how it started or how it came to be other than Quinn was the current manager and stephen being the financial backer. Voting goes both ways especially for school club or student body. You as the nominee, you go out to meet with people and get to know them. This is elections 101, its literally unheard of to have a no name and say everyone get to know me and I won't make the effort to know you.

We are both insisting on the issue, but what I am saying is that if you are saying its been going on since before sage and Quinn became representatives AND sage after ALL these (4) years including the presidency still doesn't know about it and smacks it as a rumor? But it wasn't hidden, it was exposed literally at the start of the game with the scholarship and then confirming it to Maya in the pool in front of Camilla, Mona, Rio.

Lets take a look at another secret that got exposed and Sage got wind of it pretty quick. Chad with Sarah and Mel, she saw that they were sneaking off with Chad and got investigating with the MC in tow. (This example serves how Sage can figure things out if its on the prio list)
Also doesn't help that Quinn isn't exactly subtle at all.

 

[Chillout1984]

All this heavy talk makes me feel pretty down a bit, so let's bring back a (I think at least) funny moment.




Just noticed this in the background. Why the heck would Arieth think that KRJ (who until the panty party acted extremely prudish) would be interested in her sextoys/accessories and even be angry when she didn't buy anything? I know she's dumb, but I would guess that even she would know that in general you won't sell sex stuff to a prudish person (especially someone you never/almost never talked to) in public?

 

[EEMNHMQI]

Why the heck would Arieth think that KRJ (who until the panty party acted extremely prudish) would be interested in her sextoys/accessories and even be angry when she didn't buy anything?

Because she has goals, she has:

 

[Chillout1984]

Because she has goals, she has:

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If she thinks she would leave college when she's at least 30, I doubt she will have the money for that anyway unless she's pretty/extremely wealthy thanks to her parents

 

[EEMNHMQI]

If she thinks she would leave college when she's at least 30, I doubt she will have the money for that anyway unless she's pretty/extremely wealthy thanks to her parents

Also, she wants to learn how to paint, weld and drive a car... Whatever is she gonna do?

 

[Chillout1984]

Also, she wants to learn how to paint, weld and drive a car... Whatever is she gonna do?

Ask MC or his dad for help, since they seem to both be quite jack of all trades

 

[EEMNHMQI]

Ask MC

He has an averagely huge-cock-which-is-the-norm-for-any-MC-of-any-AVN cock, doesn't he? What if she uses it in her favour...? Perhaps splitting the earnings in "equal" parts?

 

[grey_shadow]

Simple: Quinn only wants restaurant material as new HOTs and she knew from the beginning Maya would be too clean for it. She set up the list to make her fail. She wanted the video to proof that Maya didn't do her task correctly and thus couldn't join the HOTs.

I don't believe she wanted Maya involved at all. Everything she says and does makes it clear that she was against it since the beginning. They used her to kidnap MC, but that's it.

I think Quinn saw Maya's tasks as a win-win for herself - either Maya balks, and Quinn can keep her out of the HOTs, or Maya demonstrates a willingness to use her body to get what she wants, and Quinn can use that and the fact she'd have control of an incriminating video to push Maya toward joining the menu...

 

[KАRАMBA]

I think Quinn saw Maya's tasks as a win-win for herself - either Maya balks, and Quinn can keep her out of the HOTs, or Maya demonstrates a willingness to use her body to get what she wants, and Quinn can use that and the fact she'd have control of an incriminating video to push Maya toward joining the menu...

Maya missed the opportunity to finally become someone useful to society.