VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[ILovePawgGirls]

That's all for now. You can't save a variable that doesn't exist. But you can create a variable that works retroactively. This bypasses the current save state.

Someone in the thread pointed this out to me—I can't remember their name right now—who figured out how to make some variables go unused. DPC won't create variables and leave them unused. There was a variable for Josy and another for Quinn, as far as I remember.

Now, there's the option to search for strings and store their position as variables. So, if a decision in the game isn't stored as a variable but as a string, DPC can search for that string and use the newly created variable.

Tracking strings can cause problems because Ren’Py marks a line as “seen” forever in that save. If the player chooses one option, sees the dialogue, goes back, and then chooses the other option, both strings end up registered as seen, so there’s no way to know which choice was the final one. On top of that, the same line can appear elsewhere in the game and cause a false positive, and any change to the text breaks detection in old saves.

The menu option string itself can’t be used to track the choice. The menu text isn’t saved. You can only track spoken lines or other side effects, and even then only as an indication, never as absolute truth.

Well, at least that’s how Ren’Py used to work (in the early days). I’m not sure how it behaves in more recent versions.

 

[TuckeredOut]

 

[dalli_x]

And you obviously failed to understand what I was asking you to prove. So let's be clear. What is your proof that that moment is in anyway a decisive factor in the throuple staying intact? I was not asking you to prove that the moment is there. I want proof that it is significant.

Now I know what you mean.

It all actually starts in Episode 4. After the decision about romance, friendship, or neither with MJ, there was a huge backlash. Why? Because players felt forced to accept that if they wanted one, they had to take the other as well. They also wanted solo routes. DPC reads this thread. The thread is the biggest source of information about their game. Therefore, I think that's why DPC only considered solo routes for Josy and Maya at that point.

Maya's question in Episode 10 points directly to this issue. You can again choose friendship or feelings (romance). It's essentially the same decision as in Episode 4. So, if you choose friendship in Episode 10, there will be solo routes for Maya and Josy. The player decides which of the two girls the MC confesses their love to. The other will remain friends with them and later withdraw, as Melanie did.

However, if the player chooses feelings, it will remain a three-way relationship. And here's another important point DPC made in Episode 4. What did Maya say to the MC? "Let's never argue again." Yes, Josy and Maya had a fight in Episode 7, but the MC can end it in Episode 8. The conversation between Josy and Maya in Episode 11 wasn't a fight, but a peaceful discussion.

There will be solo routes and the three-way relationship.

 

[dalli_x]

Tracking strings can cause problems because Ren’Py marks a line as “seen” forever in that save. If the player chooses one option, sees the dialogue, goes back, and then chooses the other option, both strings end up registered as seen, so there’s no way to know which choice was the final one. On top of that, the same line can appear elsewhere in the game and cause a false positive, and any change to the text breaks detection in old saves.

The menu option string itself can’t be used to track the choice. The menu text isn’t saved. You can only track spoken lines or other side effects, and even then only as an indication, never as absolute truth.

Well, at least that’s how Ren’Py used to work (in the early days). I’m not sure how it behaves in more recent versions.

I agree with you that saving dialog lines can cause problems. It can, but it doesn't have to. If you work carefully, you can prevent these problems.

 

[Roger-a-Dale]

Now I know what you mean.

It all actually starts in Episode 4. After the decision about romance, friendship, or neither with MJ, there was a huge backlash. Why? Because players felt forced to accept that if they wanted one, they had to take the other as well. They also wanted solo routes. DPC reads this thread. The thread is the biggest source of information about their game. Therefore, I think that's why DPC only considered solo routes for Josy and Maya at that point.

Maya's question in Episode 10 points directly to this issue. You can again choose friendship or feelings (romance). It's essentially the same decision as in Episode 4. So, if you choose friendship in Episode 10, there will be solo routes for Maya and Josy. The player decides which of the two girls the MC confesses their love to. The other will remain friends with them and later withdraw, as Melanie did.

However, if the player chooses feelings, it will remain a three-way relationship. And here's another important point DPC made in Episode 4. What did Maya say to the MC? "Let's never argue again." Yes, Josy and Maya had a fight in Episode 7, but the MC can end it in Episode 8. The conversation between Josy and Maya in Episode 11 wasn't a fight, but a peaceful discussion.

There will be solo routes and the three-way relationship.

So you have no proof of it being significant. You just have guesswork and even that is flimsy. I mean you are ignoring the fact the choice isn't tracked presumably on the basis that DPC only decided to make solo routes possible at ep 11 and at the same time he has been planning to do that since ep 5.

I personally think the throuple and the solo routes were part of the plan from the start and that moment isn't tracked because it just isn't significant beyond Maya's relationship points.

My guess of the ILY leading to a solo route with the girl and the throuple breaking up is based on the fact that if MC says it he has to then go to Bella's party and sleep next to the girl he said it to. If he doesn't say it he can choose who he sleeps next to. I simply expect that in ep 12 every choice between Josy and Maya will be forced to match the ILY and eventually the other girl will feel too much like the third wheel. If MC doesn't say the ILY, you get to try to keep the throuple balanced. It may lead to MC saying the words to both of them.

So if MC said ILY you get the girl's solo scene. If he didn't say it you get a threesome scene.

 

[dalli_x]

So you have no proof of it being significant. You just have guesswork and even that is flimsy. I mean you are ignoring the fact the choice isn't tracked presumably on the basis that DPC only decided to make solo routes possible at ep 11 and at the same time he has been planning to do that since ep 5.

I personally think the throuple and the solo routes were part of the plan from the start and that moment isn't tracked because it just isn't significant beyond Maya's relationship points.

My guess of the ILY leading to a solo route with the girl and the throuple breaking up is based on the fact that if MC says it he has to then go to Bella's party and sleep next to the girl he said it to. If he doesn't say it he can choose who he sleeps next to. I simply expect that in ep 12 every choice between Josy and Maya will be forced to match the ILY and eventually the other girl will feel too much like the third wheel. If MC doesn't say the ILY, you get to try to keep the throuple balanced. It may lead to MC saying the words to both of them.

So if MC said ILY you get the girl's solo scene. If he didn't say it you get a threesome scene.

But your assumption is correct so far. I suspect that in EP11, the MC tells one girl he loves her because he has the right moment with either Maya or Josy. In EP12, he then gets the right moment for the other girl, and on New Year's Eve, the MC can tell Josy and Maya at the same time.

I pointed this out so that DPC would probably start thinking about solo routes after the shitstorm over EP4, and not only in EP11.

 

[Roger-a-Dale]

But your assumption is correct so far. I suspect that in EP11, the MC tells one girl he loves her because he has the right moment with either Maya or Josy. In EP12, he then gets the right moment for the other girl, and on New Year's Eve, the MC can tell Josy and Maya at the same time.

I pointed this out so that DPC would probably start thinking about solo routes after the shitstorm over EP4, and not only in EP11.

Why do you assume that the eventual solo routes for Josy and Maya weren't part of the plan from the start?

 

[ZenoMod]

chistmas works a bit different in europe compared to the u.s.a..
all 3 days are holidays in europe (as far as i know all over europe) with the 24th being the most impotant day because its the day to open the gifts in the evening. the 25th is used by many parents to chill while their kids play with their new toys, games, gadgets or whatever they got.

Nope. Europe is not a whole like the USA are.

I don't know how it works in other European countries, I can only talk for Italy where I was born and I live:
December 24 - working day
Dec 25, Dec 26 - holidays
Dec 31 - working day
Jan 1 - holiday
Jan 6 - holiday

About the gifts and the festive meal, things are not homogeneous even within Italy itself.

In some families (mostly in the South, but not only there) the big-deal meal is in the evening of Dec 24, and presents are opened at that time.

In other families (including mine) the big-deal meal is at noon of Dec 25 and presents are opened in the morning of Dec 25 as soon as the kids wake up. On Dec 24 the presents weren't even there. Santa put them under the Christmas tree in the night between 24 and 25 and in the evening of 24 kids must go to sleep otherwise Santa won't deliver the gifts.

Most families keep this tradition even when all the members are adults. No more Santa, of course, but you don't want your spouse/mom/dad/son/daughter to even see the wrapped gift before the morning of Dec 25. It must be a total surprise, to mantain the magic we used to experience as kids.

 

[dalli_x]

Why do you assume that the eventual solo routes for Josy and Maya weren't part of the plan from the start?

That was pure intuition, a feeling that arose from the previous conversation between Josy and Maya. The conversation gave me the impression that Josy and Maya would always find their way back to each other. So my only choice was to enter into a romantic three-way relationship with them – or not.

 

[maxthruster]

That was pure intuition, a feeling that arose from the previous conversation between Josy and Maya. The conversation gave me the impression that Josy and Maya would always find their way back to each other. So my only choice was to enter into a romantic three-way relationship with them – or not.

This doesn't mean a later breakup wasn't planned from the beginning though; it only means that they were always going to get back together in Episode 4. It's entirely possible that the plan was, from the beginning, that they would get back together once Josy arrived at B&R and then would have further issues and possibly split.

There's no way to confirm this without asking DPC himself, of course, but I would be reasonably confident in this being the case. As much as he half-asses the details of various storylines in dumb ways sometimes, he's always been pretty consistent about the overall direction, imo. And I can't really remember any instances of him bowing to fan pressure in the past regarding storylines - see recent discussion about Zoey - so I think it's highly unlikely he only added their relationship problems to satisfy people who didn't want the throuple. It seems much more likely that that is just the core drama of their routes, and that if you want only one without the other you were always going to have to join their relationship and place strain on it.

 

[ZenoMod]

It's 92 seconds of Ida running after an ice cream truck

She would give up running within 3 seconds, no matter how tempting the reward is

 

[dalli_x]

This doesn't mean a later breakup wasn't planned from the beginning though; it only means that they were always going to get back together in Episode 4. It's entirely possible that the plan was, from the beginning, that they would get back together once Josy arrived at B&R and then would have further issues and possibly split.

There's no way to confirm this without asking DPC himself, of course, but I would be reasonably confident in this being the case. As much as he half-asses the details of various storylines in dumb ways sometimes, he's always been pretty consistent about the overall direction, imo. And I can't really remember any instances of him bowing to fan pressure in the past regarding storylines - see recent discussion about Zoey - so I think it's highly unlikely he only added their relationship problems to satisfy people who didn't want the throuple. It seems much more likely that that is just the core drama of their routes, and that if you want only one without the other you were always going to have to join their relationship and place strain on it.

I think the main decision and the branching paths represent the storylines. They are the key points.

In episode 4, we have a choice with MJ: complete rejection, friendship, or romance. Rejection is clear. Then you can decide whether to remain friends with both or enter into a three-way relationship with both. If he's friends with both, I could imagine something like a friends-with-benefits situation. But I don't see any romantic solo routes. In episode 8, there's only the MJ route and no solo routes for Josy or Maya.

Therefore, I think DPC started shaping potential solo routes for Josy and Maya in episode 9.

 

[chamillionaire]

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I hope you're having a great holiday! Aside from working, I've spent time with my family and friends and charged the batteries for 2026.

I worked through some more free roam scenes and am now down to 11 remaining scenes. Most of these scenes are long, lewd, and/or need animations. I'm currently working on animations to increase the render queue.

The 92-second-long cutscene animation has completed rendering, and I processed it this morning. It's always scary to view an extra-long animation for the first time, as there may be mistakes that need fixing. But I was very happy with how it came out, and I didn't need to fix anything extra.

PCs have rendered all the static renders in the queue, and all my systems are now rendering animations. Currently, there are 24 animations in the render queue, and I will work on a mix of animations and static renders in the upcoming week. I'll likely start working on a lewd scene too.

I wish you a nice end to the year! Stay safe, and I'll see you in 2026!

Love

Dr PinkCake

Thanks for the update!

but we need preview of Bella! please DPC! I'm starving!

 

[Macky009]

 

[maxthruster]

In episode 8, there's only the MJ route and no solo routes for Josy or Maya.

Therefore, I think DPC started shaping potential solo routes for Josy and Maya in episode 9.

Right. That's because the impetus for them splitting up isn't going to be Tremolo going "hey baby, ditch this loser and be with just me." That would've been a weird way to write it. You'd essentially have to do the scene as him convincing one girl to dump the other, almost out of nowhere. If they do break up, it's not going to just be because he asked them to - it's going to be because of the conflict between them. The player is clearly able to show favoritism between them, and if you apply enough pressure in one direction you may be able to cause their relationship to snap.

Of course, this is all assuming there will be solo routes. I think that's likely, a lot of people do, but we won't know for certain until it happens. But, I think this is an important point I've made about a few plot lines in this game and is relevant here, just because a thing has not happened yet does not mean it will not happen in the future. The fact that you couldn't choose just one of the girls back then when they weren't ready to completely split up doesn't mean you won't be able to do that in the future if their relationship becomes strained enough that they're ready to part.

 

[dalli_x]

Right. That's because the impetus for them splitting up isn't going to be Tremolo going "hey baby, ditch this loser and be with just me." That would've been a weird way to write it. You'd essentially have to do the scene as him convincing one girl to dump the other, almost out of nowhere. If they do break up, it's not going to just be because he asked them to - it's going to be because of the conflict between them. The player is clearly able to show favoritism between them, and if you apply enough pressure in one direction you may be able to cause their relationship to snap.

Of course, this is all assuming there will be solo routes. I think that's likely, a lot of people do, but we won't know for certain until it happens. But, I think this is an important point I've made about a few plot lines in this game and is relevant here, just because a thing has not happened yet does not mean it will not happen in the future. The fact that you couldn't choose just one of the girls back then when they weren't ready to completely split up doesn't mean you won't be able to do that in the future if their relationship becomes strained enough that they're ready to part.

I also believe there will be solo routes. It all starts in episode 8 when Elena advises the protagonist to choose one of the two, otherwise it will degenerate into a competition.

We see this exact decision in episode 9. The protagonist can say this so that it doesn't turn into a competition between the three. Maya says, "Well said," and everyone agrees. I think this is meant to allow for a healthy three-way relationship. If the protagonist didn't say this, it would lead to a competition and thus to solo routes.

 

[Josh M Spicer]

Why the fuck is he bothering doing a 92 second long cutscene?

The Doc works in mysterious ways. You can try and guesstimate. You can try and figure it out. But at the end of the day, the Doc gonna Doc.

 

[Josh M Spicer]

No need to worry, that's the only one of yours. It was solid fucking gold though, that's why I snagged it so fast

Sir are you saying that you have more from other people?

 

[Better Cock Spock]

Sir are you saying that you have more from other people?

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A small handful, perhaps

 

[Lagunavii]

Sir are you saying that you have more from other people?

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Never underestimate what is in Spock "reply folder" if you post something, there's about a 75% chance he's got a meme to reply to you. (and a 90% chance that memes something to do with Bella) *

*math not checked.