VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[ename144]

I agree, i don't like them but i have no problem to say that scene was completely out of character for both, they are not bad people and both cared about the mc, for me that was a case of bad writing, no more no less. glad to see you actually spent time to reply btw, way better than the facepalming gang spamming the emote because i don't like josy and maya.

I agree with the numerous complaints about the poor writing and rushed resolution to the scene, but for the most part I think all three remain in character.

The only part that seems like something they would never do is when an MC settles for being friends and Maya and Josy go back to kissing. That would be cold odd even if the MC was thoroughly DIKish and largely disinterested in them sexually. It's flat out ridiculous for an MC who qualifies for 'something more.'

Well, there are going to have to be consequences of saying you have an interest in her and then not turning up. She's hardly likely to forgive and forget so easily.

I agree Jade will be displeased with an MC who blows off their date, but I'm not sure it would be an unforgivable sin.

Her affair with the MC is already, objectively speaking, a stupid idea; *very* high risk for a short term reward. The fact that Jade was willing to fool around with the MC in class indicates a big part of her interest in the MC is down to impulse. That impulse will likely survive a blown date, at least if the MC can make a half-decent excuse.

It would be different if the MC did something to indicate he was untrustworthy; that I think really would be a permanent Jade Over. (Which should worry people who show Derek the video...)

 

[Cabin Fever]

On that note, I was coincidentally browsing the beginning of this thread looking for some stuff, and this, ladies and gents, was the 1st 100% accurate speculation/theory to appear on this thread 3 days after the game's initial release.

Kudos to RanchFTW

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Judging by the criminally low likes it got and responses such as this:

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...it's funny how so few people believed it at the time.

So a retrospective congrats to Ranch. Now that's how you write a concise and well backed up theory - you should do it more often

On my very first play thru of v0.1 back then, during the MC+Maya lunch at a cafe scene, I literally said to myself, "Maya is Josy's lover", although I never posted about it.

 

[ename144]

No, choosing to stay friends prevents you from romancing M&J. Allow me to make it very simple to understand

Try for something more = Romance with both or either Maya & Josy

Choose to stay friends = NO romance with EITHER Maya or Josy for the rest of the game. (You reject them as the variable states)

I get the logic, but I'm not sure I agree. When you go for the threeway relationship with Maya and Josy, the character summary screen at the end of Episode 4 flat out says he's not sure what their relationship is and he's still dating other girls.

If the decision to pursue a romance with them is explicitly presented as a work in progress, I don't see why a decision to stay just friends is necessarily set in stone.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

I agree with the numerous complaints about the poor writing and rushed resolution to the scene, but for the most part I think all three remain in character.

The only part that seems like something they would never do is when an MC settles for being friends and Maya and Josy go back to kissing. That would be cold odd even if the MC was thoroughly DIKish and largely disinterested in them sexually. It's flat out ridiculous for an MC who qualifies for 'something more.'

Due to previous decisions the game is quite complex at the JM-decision point to narrow it down to only 1-2 options :
- mc can choose to not have sex with Josy on 2nd date.
- mc can choose other activities than staying with or helping Maya.
- mc has RP (reputation points) for both Josy and Maya
- mc's sex scene with Maya before Josy arrives depends on how much she likes mc.

Going for more than friends makes sense if mc had sex with both and high RP with both (independant of affinity).
Having sex and high RP with only one of them would be a reason to break the relation and get one of them. However this cannot be done since it would have consequences with the Bro-relation to Derek who would probably never forgive mc ruining Maya's relationship with Josy.

 

[Crystaldom]

When you say "variable" are you talking about a line hidden in the code that explicitly states this is it closed for good, or do you just mean the choice presented in the game?

If you reject J&M or they reject you, your save has this code in it:

_defaults_set > ep4_rejectedMayaJosy 1/0 : (1)

pathMayaJosy 1/0 : (0)

So they pretty much are out of the picture unless you change the .save file

 

[Mormont]

Just tell her you suddenly had to drop a deuce or something.

I don't have to never once occur to me that I'd ever turn her down

It would be different if the MC did something to indicate he was untrustworthy; that I think really would be a permanent Jade Over. (Which should worry people who show Derek the video...)

That's never going to end well if Derek knows everyone will know and if it was to get out I wonder what the repercussions would be right there and then.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

If you reject J&M or they reject you, your save has this code in it:

_defaults_set > ep4_rejectedMayaJosy 1/0 : (1)

pathMayaJosy 1/0 : (0)

So they pretty much are out of the picture unless you change the .save file

Saving a decision in a variable to later be able to evaluate it is not unusual.
It is probably evaluated for episode 4 summary which text to display for Josy and Maya.
It really depends on the code of later episodes if this decision has more consequences or not.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

If you reject J&M or they reject you, your save has this code in it:

_defaults_set > ep4_rejectedMayaJosy 1/0 : (1)

pathMayaJosy 1/0 : (0)

So they pretty much are out of the picture unless you change the .save file

Well then that just goes along the line of the speculation that the threeway path is closed by staying friends since that's a combined path, but it still says nothing about possible solo paths later if they were to break up again. Question is, are there any variables labeled "pathMaya" or "pathJosy"? If not, could variables like that be added later?

I guess we'll see in Ep 5 because if you can still gain RP with them, that might be an indication of something, because surely there would be no need for them to have RP if you're just friends.

 

[Matty_pan]

We should be at the point in the game where our previous choices need to matter more. First season building up intros and your affinity...now we should be dealing with the consequences of it!

Atleast, seeing as how many episodes there are vs how the dik/neutral/chick bar looks.

It might not have been an outright rejection, but Jade was at that point where she really needed that release. Don't think she'll be well pleased and will probably direct that anger at the MC now (Might even fail us if that earlier rejection dialogue is anything to go by).

 

[Mormont]

That would have made that choice pointless with them... I'm not so sure why it's so hard to understand that there are two separate routes for Maya and Josy 1. The romance route 3ways and whatever romance you have going on with them 2. The friendship route so you are safe to pursue other girls and let them get on with their lives together.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

We should be at the point in the game where our previous choices need to matter more. First season building up intros and your affinity...now we should be dealing with the consequences of it!

Atleast, seeing as how many episodes there are vs how the dik/neutral/chick bar looks.

There are about 2 major choices per episode (a total of 7 choices in season 1).
If DPC continues with this ratio and there are 10-20 episodes, we will have ca. 20-40 major choices while each side of the DIK-bar has only 12 pieces.

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[Tserriednich'sNen]

When you say "variable" are you talking about a line hidden in the code that explicitly states this is it closed for good, or do you just mean the choice presented in the game?

The first one. Use Unrenpy to see for yourself.

 

[Tserriednich'sNen]

That would have made that choice pointless with them... I'm not so sure why it's so hard to understand that there are two separate routes for Maya and Josy 1. The romance route 3ways and whatever romance you have going on with them 2. The friendship route so you are safe to pursue other girls and let them get on with their lives together.

I just don't understand how some people are having great trouble understanding something so very simple. It's almost mind boggling.

 

[ename144]

There are about 2 major choices per episode (a total of 7 choices in season 1).
If DPC continues with this ratio and there are 10-20 episodes, we will have ca. 20-40 major choices while each side of the DIK-bar has only 12 pieces.

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I think it's very likely the Major choice system will change in some way going forward.

Episode 4 already halved the number of choices in it. I think that trend will continue, and we will eventually see a new mechanic that allows us to adjust our affinity without burning off nearly the entire spectrum.

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That would have made that choice pointless with them... I'm not so sure why it's so hard to understand that there are two separate routes for Maya and Josy 1. The romance route 3ways and whatever romance you have going on with them 2. The friendship route so you are safe to pursue other girls and let them get on with their lives together.

Just because a choice doesn't turn out the way you expect does not make the choice pointless.

As long as the decision (Stay friends/try for something more) leads to different outcomes, it will still make a difference even if those outcomes are things more complicated than 'three-way relationship' and 'platonic friendship with both.'

 

[Holy Bacchus]

That would have made that choice pointless with them... I'm not so sure why it's so hard to understand that there are two separate routes for Maya and Josy 1. The romance route 3ways and whatever romance you have going on with them 2. The friendship route so you are safe to pursue other girls and let them get on with their lives together.

I just don't understand how some people are having great trouble understanding something so very simple. It's almost mind boggling.

Probably because we're 4 episodes in to a game with an expected minumum of 12 episodes and a maximum of 20 and these are 2 of the 5 main girls. Cutting off main LIs, whether it's them, or Sage, or Bella, so early on in the story isn't something that's generally done in most games, so it's hard to wrap your head around the thinking process here. I mean, what's the point of them still being on the end of episode summary if they're no longer LIs? I highly doubt that they'll be replaced with other characters because that means more branches, more variables, and more time needed to be spent on the renders and animations for each update.

There are plenty of ways they could become viable solo LIs later on and I've seen plenty of people say they'd be open to that, especially some of the Josy fans who don't have much interest in Maya. To basically just be like, "nah, it's threesome or nothing, take it or leave it", seems like a really odd thing to do this early on when there's still so much potential for these characters.

 

[Mormont]

Just because a choice doesn't turn out the way you expect does not make the choice pointless.

As long as the decision (Stay friends/try for something more) leads to different outcomes, it will still make a difference even if those outcomes are things more complicated than 'three-way relationship' and 'platonic friendship with both.'

You've misunderstood what I have said if there were options for something more in the friendship route this branching path would have been pointless that choice especially. But this has been discussed at length. Romance route and friendship route what's not to get here.

 

[Zirael Q]

guys, i can feel the pressure in my chest and it's not good
i can't wait anymore, i just can't...

same bro, same... I started playing Witcher 2, then progressed to Witcher 3... Did 2 playthroughs, took a break from it in my 3rd playthrough... Then I finished Mass Effect and right now I'm halfway through Mass Effect 2. I hope we get the juicy update before I finish Mass Effect 3 cuz if we don't get it by then, I'll probably go nuts. Won't a pleasant one as well.

 

[ThePresident451]

Cutting off main LIs, whether it's them, or Sage, or Bella, so early on in the story isn't something that's generally done in most games

But it's something that's already done in DPC's previous game, in AL you can cut off Leah from the very beginning for example. It's the same developer we are talking about and he will likely keep the same method, so the choice for Maya and Josy can be already definitive as well.
Plus, cutting off romances in the early stages in the game it's a way for DPC to have less possible branches/endings later, thus easing the code and his work

 

[Sorrow85]

I wonder if it matters in the future:
MC: J and M together
MC: J or M separately

I mean scene where the beds are together or separately and then MC makes the choice of which one to go to bed with M or J

Still i not getting the option of M and J together.. Maybe one day.

 

[Zirael Q]

But it's something that's already done in DPC's previous game, in AL you can cut off Leah from the very beginning for example. It's the same developer we are talking about and he will likely keep the same method, so the choice for Maya and Josy can be already definitive as well.
Plus, cutting off romances in the early stages in the game it's a way for DPC to have less possible branches/endings later, thus easing the code and his work

Well, Leah is not a LI. No matter what you do, she'll always end up the same way. Nothing similar with this case. He has already planned the ending to his game and will work through it however he sees fit. Let the guy do what he does best