Perfect is a strong word. Read literally anything about polyamory and the first rule, front and centre is always about
honesty and transparency. Doubly so for any situation where everyone is involved rather than just side pieces.
They both cheated to be with MC and now are lying about their motivations, hiding feelings and not communicating with each other in the slightest. Yeah it’s a new thing but all they’ve ever done is lie.
Both are harbouring much grander feelings for MC that they share with him but not each other. If we look at this as a legitimate poly relationship it’s starting in about the worst way I can think of. It’s not beyond salvaging but perfect?
No your right in my frustration of having to defend Maya/Josy I used the wrong word. EP5 has them on a much better path toward a good relationship than they had in EP4. I just get sick of having to defend Maya/Josy to all the haters who overlook everyone else's faults but want to hammer those two. Even sweet, innocent Jill lies (granted its by omission) to the MC. Hell all of them (minus Jill at this point) are all cheating whores including the MC so whats the deal?
While there is a lot of positives to say of this game, there is one part of the game that I find so badly written that it is genuinely distracting to me at the moment. I want to stress that this is my opinion, although I will try to justify with the presentation in the game, and that I do respect the creator of the game despite the harsh language I'm about to use.
The Maya/Josie storyline and character dynamic are bafflingly badly written in a game that seems to be putting a lot of weight in fleshing out every character. To support my argument, I present a single question. Aside from the flashback, has there been a single scene in the game where it feels like those two have any genuine affection for each other? I'll even lower the bar. Has there been a single scene in the College part of it where it feels like Maya is even sexually attracted to women? I'm discounting the love declaration here myself is that kind of a scene needs to be supported by other scenes to feel meaningful, yet there's nothing before or after to indicate that these two even really like each other that much. I mean, if after this part they did that scene with say Camila and Mona, could you argue it didn't feel more earned than anything with Maya and Josie.
The reason this makes the whole story so weird is that the game established that Maya's character beat was that she lost everything by choosing to stay true to herself and is now desperate for tuition money due to her bigoted dad cutting her off. Yet, as mentioned above, nothing in the game supports that she has any affection for Josie, even likes girls and Maya basically started lusting after the first guy she met on campus. So what is her, and I'm not even touching Josie here, journey exactly? What character arc is even preventing Maya from being in a significant relationship with the MC? Not her love for Josie, as in the game it doesn't exist, nor any doubts about her sexuality, as Maya clearly got over any hesitations about liking girls. With all the other major LIs, you can see that story, but with these two, there's nothing. Based on the presentation in the game so far, there's no doubt that they would choose the MC in a heartbeat as they don't seem to be in any kind of relationship with each other.
No your right in my frustration of having to defend Maya/Josy I used the wrong word. EP5 has them on a much better path toward a good relationship than they had in EP4. I just get sick of having to defend Maya/Josy to all the haters who overlook everyone else's faults but want to hammer those two. Even sweet, innocent Jill lies (granted its by omission) to the MC. Hell all of them (minus Jill at this point) are all cheating whores including the MC so whats the deal?
So I just wrote about how much I hate the storyline, so I'm clearly part of the haters here, but can I pose a genuine question. While you may like them, if there is so much hate against that particular duo here while everyone is liked, wouldn't it imply more that the game has failed with those particular character than that people are just being unreasonable haters.
While there is a lot of positives to say of this game, there is one part of the game that I find so badly written that it is genuinely distracting to me at the moment. I want to stress that this is my opinion, although I will try to justify with the presentation in the game, and that I do respect the creator of the game despite the harsh language I'm about to use.
The Maya/Josie storyline and character dynamic are bafflingly badly written in a game that seems to be putting a lot of weight in fleshing out every character. To support my argument, I present a single question. Aside from the flashback, has there been a single scene in the game where it feels like those two have any genuine affection for each other? I'll even lower the bar. Has there been a single scene in the College part of it where it feels like Maya is even sexually attracted to women? I'm discounting the love declaration here myself is that kind of a scene needs to be supported by other scenes to feel meaningful, yet there's nothing before or after to indicate that these two even really like each other that much. I mean, if after this part they did that scene with say Camila and Mona, could you argue it didn't feel more earned than anything with Maya and Josie.
The reason this makes the whole story so weird is that the game established that Maya's character beat was that she lost everything by choosing to stay true to herself and is now desperate for tuition money due to her bigoted dad cutting her off. Yet, as mentioned above, nothing in the game supports that she has any affection for Josie, even likes girls and Maya basically started lusting after the first guy she met on campus. So what is her, and I'm not even touching Josie here, journey exactly? What character arc is even preventing Maya from being in a significant relationship with the MC? Not her love for Josie, as in the game it doesn't exist, nor any doubts about her sexuality, as Maya clearly got over any hesitations about liking girls. With all the other major LIs, you can see that story, but with these two, there's nothing. Based on the presentation in the game so far, there's no doubt that they would choose the MC in a heartbeat as they don't seem to be in any kind of relationship with each other.
You make a good point there's little to no kind of affection between those two the only times I've seen affection is when they had sex in the tent and when you choose to stay friends where both of them kiss in the background. There's also the scene where if you go to help Josy when she meets her dad Maya just fucks off. I feel though maybe this might be part of an issue that will show up soon because if you choose to help Josy with her luggage she reveals that she's conflicted because she still has feelings for you but didn't want to admit that in front of Maya when you confronted both of them at the DIKS house.
Dpc is really genius for story teller, seems to me the next episode are about rebuilding DIK and MC's birthday ... and also the conversation between MC, Jill, and Bella mentioned about Spring break ... cool cant wait for all of that
You make a good point there's little to no kind of affection between those two the only times I've seen affection is when they had sex in the tent and when you choose to stay friends where both of them kiss in the background. There's also the scene where if you go to help Josy when she meets her dad Maya just fucks off. I feel though maybe this might be part of an issue that will show up soon because if you choose to help Josy with her luggage she reveals that she's conflicted because she still has feelings for you but didn't want to admit that in front of Maya when you confronted both of them at the DIKS house.
So I touched on the dad meeting behind the spoiler text as I wasn't certain if we can discuss the recent spoiler events in the open. Maya doesn't seem to care that Josie shrugged her off, if you go and talk with her afterwards she doesn't mention it at all and just starts once again pining after the MC. As I mentioned, what in the game so far has made it feel like Josie would be conflicted between Maya and the MC? What has made it feel like Josie has any feelings for Maya? Which is kind of a crucial story beat if you are trying to write a story like this.
So I just wrote about how much I hate the storyline, so I'm clearly part of the haters here, but can I pose a genuine question. While you may like them, if there is so much hate against that particular duo here while everyone is liked, wouldn't it imply more that the game has failed with those particular character than that people are just being unreasonable haters.
No believe it or not Brotha but I agree with you. The reason I think that so many people dislike Maya and Josy is that they are SUPERFICIAL. They are just so shallow as characters because they don't even support themselves.
One of the reasons I like them is that if you take them individually they are actually tolerable. They both started out in a bad spot and the "knight in shinning armor" feeling developed and I just wanted to help them. I would have liked them both so much better if they had been written as individuals or friends rather than a couple.
So I touched on the dad meeting behind the spoiler text as I wasn't certain if we can discuss the recent spoiler events in the open. Maya doesn't seem to care that Josie shrugged her off, if you go and talk with her afterwards she doesn't mention it at all and just starts once again pining after the MC. As I mentioned, what in the game so far has made it feel like Josie would be conflicted between Maya and the MC? What has made it feel like Josie has any feelings for Maya? Which is kind of a crucial story beat if you are trying to write a story like this.
No believe it or not Brotha but I agree with you. The reason I think that so many people dislike Maya and Josy is that they are SUPERFICIAL. They are just so shallow as characters because they don't even support themselves.
One of the reasons I like them is that if you take them individually they are actually tolerable. They both started out in a bad spot and the "knight in shinning armor" feeling developed and I just wanted to help them. I would have liked them both so much better if they had been written as individuals or friends rather than a couple.
So I touched on the dad meeting behind the spoiler text as I wasn't certain if we can discuss the recent spoiler events in the open. Maya doesn't seem to care that Josie shrugged her off, if you go and talk with her afterwards she doesn't mention it at all and just starts once again pining after the MC. As I mentioned, what in the game so far has made it feel like Josie would be conflicted between Maya and the MC? What has made it feel like Josie has any feelings for Maya? Which is kind of a crucial story beat if you are trying to write a story like this.
To be fair... you’ve got to get a little meta with this and think how much of a shit fit people throw at the whole “those three letters”.
the discord was unhappy at them kissing at the end of Ep4. People reaaaaallly don’t like it when characters are sexual with anyone other than the MC. Lesbian gets more of a pass but you’ll notice nobody shows any affection to anyone but the MC. All partners are either absent or in a dead bedroom.
Most of the cast are cheating on their partner with MC but nobody is cheating on MC with their partner. Maya/Josy not being up in each other’s business might be a choice to keep the peace over actually being a desired and intended character trait.
I’m not disagreeing with you, just raising a point.
No believe it or not Brotha but I agree with you. The reason I think that so many people dislike Maya and Josy is that they are SUPERFICIAL. They are just so shallow as characters because they don't even support themselves.
One of the reasons I like them is that if you take them individually they are actually tolerable. They both started out in a bad spot and the "knight in shinning armor" feeling developed and I just wanted to help them. I would have liked them both so much better if they had been written as individuals or friends rather than a couple.
My apologies for the misunderstanding. And yeah, they would work so much better as lifelong friends who are both attracted to the same guy than whatever the hell this is supposed to be. The issues with Maya character arc would still be there, but at least it would then be more limited or could be dealt with better.
What drives me nuts is that these two are so utterly superficial while the game goes to such lengths to explain other characters behaviour. Like with Jade and Cathy, it does to work to justify why does two professional women would put themselves in such a risky position with a student. So why the hell is it being so lazy with Josie and Maya who are supposed to be two of the main girls in the game?
I forget who said it but they hit the nail on the head like a sledgehammer. When DPC rights individual people he is so fricken AWESOME however when he tries for these huge, dramatic, and impactful scenes he screws them all up.
To be fair... you’ve got to get a little meta with this and think how much of a shit fit people throw at the whole “those three letters”.
the discord was unhappy at them kissing at the end of Ep4. People reaaaaallly don’t like it when characters are sexual with anyone other than the MC. Lesbian gets more of a pass but you’ll notice nobody shows any affection to anyone but the MC. All partners are either absent or in a dead bedroom.
Most of the cast are cheating on their partner with MC but nobody is cheating on MC with their partner. Maya/Josy not being up in each other’s business might be a choice to keep the peace over actually being a desired and intended character trait.
I’m not disagreeing with you, just raising a point.
Yeah, but in that situation you can't do this story. If the game makes that decision, then it just needs to bite the bullet and flesh out that part of the character, because otherwise this mess of a story. Especially if you promote at the beginning of the game how some of the stuff in it won't be the superficial stuff people want.
Also, and I'm not claiming that these games attract the most enlightened souls, I do think some of the backlash would have been lessened if the story built for that moment. If it did the work and presented the story of the two of them clearly longing for each other, then that declaration of love and the following kiss would have felt like a culmination. Now it just happened. I was originally going to joke that it was similar than if Rusty and Jacob had declared love for each other, but then I realized the story so far would have supported it more.
To be fair... you’ve got to get a little meta with this and think how much of a shit fit people throw at the whole “those three letters”.
the discord was unhappy at them kissing at the end of Ep4. People reaaaaallly don’t like it when characters are sexual with anyone other than the MC. Lesbian gets more of a pass but you’ll notice nobody shows any affection to anyone but the MC. All partners are either absent or in a dead bedroom.
Most of the cast are cheating on their partner with MC but nobody is cheating on MC with their partner. Maya/Josy not being up in each other’s business might be a choice to keep the peace over actually being a desired and intended character trait.
I’m not disagreeing with you, just raising a point.
If I ever make my own game I'm going to just go "Fuck you, fuck off, and go fuck yourself! My story, if you don't like it go somewhere else." I watched BB get ruined because no one liked Eric and the developer caved to peer pressure. Why do people do that?
As far as NTR goes most people don't even know what qualifies and what doesn't. Bunch off moronic, simple minded cry babies who all want to be some Super Cock, all games are harems, no slow burns (they want it all now), the girl falls over with her legs in the air....... Fucking games like that are boring as all hell. I want a challenge, I want to work for it, and I want someone else to come in and test me and make me earn it. Makes it actually feel like I earned and accomplished something.
You make a good point there's little to no kind of affection between those two the only times I've seen affection is when they had sex in the tent and when you choose to stay friends where both of them kiss in the background. There's also the scene where if you go to help Josy when she meets her dad Maya just fucks off. I feel though maybe this might be part of an issue that will show up soon because if you choose to help Josy with her luggage she reveals that she's conflicted because she still has feelings for you but didn't want to admit that in front of Maya when you confronted both of them at the DIKS house.
I think the reason why we're not seeing much affection is because, at the moment, they're rediscovering their feelings for each other or even if they still have feelings as strong as they once were.
The flashback is obviously the beginning of their relationship so there's a clear tenderness and affection when it's fresh and new, but when we first meet both of them, they've been without that for some time and so they're both in desperate need of it given how their lives are at that point, and the MC provides it. Then in ep 4, which was not a well-written scene I'll admit, they both realise that this is what drew them to the MC and this realisation that they were going through the same things briefly rekindles their feelings for each other, and it's like they've agreed to start again with each other.
I chose the threesome path because I still like both of these characters, but I've seen what happens on the other path too, and to me it seems like, on both paths, they're taking things slow emotionally and wanting to explore what this whole situation means for them. This is pretty much what is said during the "picnic" scene on the threesome path, that none of them really know what they're feeling but they do know that they like each other and want to at least explore this but not get too emotionally attached too quickly. It shows a little bit more maturity because they all got emotionally invested with each other very quickly and it's what led to the blow up in ep 4, but now they're going to approach it slow and just see where it goes, if anywhere.
Also, the reason Maya leaves when seeing Josy with her Dad is because it hurts her to see them so happy given what happened between her and her Dad. It wounds her emotionally to see a happy, loving father and daughter and so she needed some space.
I think the reason why we're not seeing much affection is because, at the moment, they're rediscovering their feelings for each other or even if they still have feelings as strong as they once were.
The flashback is obviously the beginning of their relationship so there's a clear tenderness and affection when it's fresh and new, but when we first meet both of them, they've been without that for some time and so they're both in desperate need of it given how their lives are at that point, and the MC provides it. Then in ep 4, which was not a well-written scene I'll admit, they both realise that this is what drew them to the MC and this realisation that they were going through the same things briefly rekindles their feelings for each other, and it's like they've agreed to start again with each other.
I chose the threesome path because I still like both of these characters, but I've seen what happens on the other path too, and to me it seems like, on both paths, they're taking things slow emotionally and wanting to explore what this whole situation means for them. This is pretty much what is said during the "picnic" scene on the threesome path, that none of them really know what they're feeling but they do know that they like each other and want to at least explore this but not get too emotionally attached too quickly. It shows a little bit more maturity because they all got emotionally invested with each other very quickly and it's what led to the blow up in ep 4, but now they're going to approach it slow and just see where it goes, if anywhere.
Also, the reason Maya leaves when seeing Josy with her Dad is because it hurts her to see them so happy given what happened between and her and her Dad. It wounds her emotionally to see a happy, loving father and daughter and so she needed some space.
Hmm, I can see that now appreciate the break down can't believe that I missed the meaning for some of these parts. Going to have to pay extra attention for now on. Because I understood the rekindle of feelings but beyond that I kind of just give it much thought.
Hmm, I can see that now appreciate the break down can't believe that I missed the meaning for some of these parts. Going to have to pay extra attention for now on. Because I understood the rekindle of feelings but beyond that I kind of just give it much thought.
I think the reason why we're not seeing much affection is because, at the moment, they're rediscovering their feelings for each other or even if they still have feelings as strong as they once were.
The flashback is obviously the beginning of their relationship so there's a clear tenderness and affection when it's fresh and new, but when we first meet both of them, they've been without that for some time and so they're both in desperate need of it given how their lives are at that point, and the MC provides it. Then in ep 4, which was not a well-written scene I'll admit, they both realise that this is what drew them to the MC and this realisation that they were going through the same things briefly rekindles their feelings for each other, and it's like they've agreed to start again with each other.
I chose the threesome path because I still like both of these characters, but I've seen what happens on the other path too, and to me it seems like, on both paths, they're taking things slow emotionally and wanting to explore what this whole situation means for them. This is pretty much what is said during the "picnic" scene on the threesome path, that none of them really know what they're feeling but they do know that they like each other and want to at least explore this but not get too emotionally attached too quickly. It shows a little bit more maturity because they all got emotionally invested with each other very quickly and it's what led to the blow up in ep 4, but now they're going to approach it slow and just see where it goes, if anywhere.
Also, the reason Maya leaves when seeing Josy with her Dad is because it hurts her to see them so happy given what happened between her and her Dad. It wounds her emotionally to see a happy, loving father and daughter and so she needed some space.
My response question would be that what scene outside of that flashback would imply that Maya and Josie had any feelings to rediscover? They spent a lot of time together in episode 4. Was there any interaction there which implied for longing feelings for each other, any hesitation or doubt in their interactions? And of course in episode 5 Maya walked away because it hurt to see a happy father and daughter. So considering the discussion with the MC afterwards, how would that discussion played out differently if it had been a random female student hugging their tearful father? Was there anything to imply that it was worse because Maya was jealous of the woman she supposedly loved? Or her being bothered by the fact that Josie literally didn't seem to care at all if Maya was there to support her?
I'm not saying that you shouldn't enjoy the threesome path or that you couldn't spin your own story to fill those blanks, but for it to be an argument for the story not being bad, at least for me, it needs to be supported by actual events in the game. And I'll be honest here, when I replayed it for this part, I tried paying more attention to the Maya/Josie interactions and I don't really know where a lot of the stuff suggested here was really indicated.
While there is a lot of positives to say of this game, there is one part of the game that I find so badly written that it is genuinely distracting to me at the moment. I want to stress that this is my opinion, although I will try to justify with the presentation in the game, and that I do respect the creator of the game despite the harsh language I'm about to use.
The Maya/Josie storyline and character dynamic are bafflingly badly written in a game that seems to be putting a lot of weight in fleshing out every character. To support my argument, I present a single question. Aside from the flashback, has there been a single scene in the game where it feels like those two have any genuine affection for each other? I'll even lower the bar. Has there been a single scene in the College part of it where it feels like Maya is even sexually attracted to women? I'm discounting the love declaration here myself is that kind of a scene needs to be supported by other scenes to feel meaningful, yet there's nothing before or after to indicate that these two even really like each other that much. I mean, if after this part they did that scene with say Camila and Mona, could you argue it didn't feel more earned than anything with Maya and Josie.
The reason this makes the whole story so weird is that the game established that Maya's character beat was that she lost everything by choosing to stay true to herself and is now desperate for tuition money due to her bigoted dad cutting her off. Yet, as mentioned above, nothing in the game supports that she has any affection for Josie, even likes girls and Maya basically started lusting after the first guy she met on campus. So what is her, and I'm not even touching Josie here, journey exactly? What character arc is even preventing Maya from being in a significant relationship with the MC? Not her love for Josie, as in the game it doesn't exist, nor any doubts about her sexuality, as Maya clearly got over any hesitations about liking girls. With all the other major LIs, you can see that story, but with these two, there's nothing. Based on the presentation in the game so far, there's no doubt that they would choose the MC in a heartbeat as they don't seem to be in any kind of relationship with each other.
Well the story is obviously set up that way to make the M+J relationship a big reveal and a shock to the player at the end of Episode 3. So by design we don't ever see those two characters together for the first three episodes. Episode 4 M+J are basically on the rocks for the whole episode and since the story is mostly told from MC POV and he is actively trying to avoid them, again we see very little of them together in this episode either.
Now personally I think the way their story was told and how it was executed in the game during Episode 4 was really poorly done, and that may have further reaching implications in the story. However I do think their overall story arc still works, but you have to view it from the perspective of the MC and not the player. The scene you describe as absurd in Episode 5 really didn't seem that way to me because we left M+J in Episode 4 after hugging it out and declaring that we will be friends. MC has a moment of introspection and is pretty happy with the situation, there is no animosity from the MC perspective here, only the player in some cases. As for what happens with Josy after that scene, again you gotta remember MC has been the closest friend she has had since Maya left (weeks ago) and her relationship with Maya is a secret so her wanting MC to support her in that situation also makes sense.
Bottom line is we basically have two Episodes where that story is actually being told. Episode 4 was badly done and Episode 5 the story doesn't really progress much with them anyway.
