VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[ename144]

but that Josy is punished for bringing a boy to the parents' room is credible, that she is punished for having dined with someone less ...

how does it make an important choice if it doesn't make any difference afterwards?

it's not that if you don't have sex with Josy, Maya will give you credit later ....

I disagree. Not having sex with Josy is a difference in and of itself. Moreover, it's one of two decisions that determine whether it's possible to try for something more with M&J, and that choice continues to have impact going forward. (It's even possible that having had sex with only one of the two girls will have some further impact down the line.)

So yes, Josy's parents will punish her either way, but that certainly doesn't mean the choice to sleep with her makes no difference in other ways.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I just don't see Maya agreeing to have sex outdoors and the threesome I suppose they will fake it with a dildo but I don't see Quinn being dumb enough to fall for it especially since she doesn't like Maya.

I think she'll be up for a real threesome, especially if you had sex with her in ep 5. She seems to feel a bit guilty the next day because of Josy walking in afterwards and seeing them, and Josy did seem to feel left out, so maybe to make up for it and as part of this whole "seeing where things go" agreement they've got, a real threesome could be proposed.

 

[Rinbael]

I think she'll be up for a real threesome, especially if you had sex with her in ep 5. She seems to feel a bit guilty the next day because of Josy walking in afterwards and seeing them, and Josy did seem to feel left out, so maybe to make up for it and as part of this whole "seeing where things go" agreement they've got, a real threesome could be proposed.

I could see that for sure if you are on the Maya/Josy path I'm just not sure what would happen if you friend zone them it would be pretty cruel if they reject you and then approach you to have a threesome with them for their scavenger hunt tasks.

 

[moskyx]

The thing here is that this is a game that presents you with a myriad of possible love interests. So you can reasonable think this is a dating sim in which you can reject the girls you don't want without significant consequences. But then we have the main story that actually closes that option and forces you to keep up with some girls in certain situations that you, as a player, might not be comfortable with, even if all your actions are screaming exactly the opposite. And that's hard to deal with in terms of immersion for some players. In my case,

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This "problem", I feel, is directly related to the way the game plays out and the overall arc of the story which in itself could be seen as a problem.

The issue is that there are all these choices where players can avoid interactions with pretty much every LI, and the assumption for some is that this means they can avoid these LIs in the future and/or that there are no feelings between them, but then the story shoehorns in feelings because, for reasons known only to DPC, it's important for the story. Well, if it was so important that these characters feel something for each other, then the build-up events shouldn't have been so easily avoidable.

Take Josy, for example; the player can say and do all the wrongs things that either give no points or negative points for her and can choose to leave after the date, but she'll still express deep feelings for the MC in ep 5 even though he's not been very good to her. Now, sometimes, in the real world, you can have an attraction to a person you know little to nothing about and who you haven't really spent any time with, so that could be what's happening here, but I would say that most people approach these games from the perspective of "more interactions = more feelings", and that not interacting with a LI should mean there are no feelings. For her to feel so strongly about him, she and the MC should have at least had some good interactions, but even on a totally anti-Josy path, she still likes him a lot which is strange.

This then makes the choices feel somewhat false because, even though it does lead to not being in intimate relationships with certain LIs, it doesn't impact the feelings the LIs have for the MC and vice-versa. It therefore causes confusion in players who have completely avoided certain LIs to have them suddenly express feelings and makes the game feel like less like one where choices matter and more like a linear game with false choices because the characters are so important to the plot that they have to stay active and relevant in the MC's life even if players don't want them there.

 

[Bublee]

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[felicemastronzo]

This "problem", I feel, is directly related to the way the game plays out and the overall arc of the story which in itself could be seen as a problem.

The issue is that there are all these choices where players can avoid interactions with pretty much every LI, and the assumption for some is that this means they can avoid these LIs in the future and/or that there are no feelings between them, but then the story shoehorns in feelings because, for reasons known only to DPC, it's important for the story. Well, if it was so important that these characters feel something for each other, then the build-up events shouldn't have been so easily avoidable.

Take Josy, for example; the player can say and do all the wrongs things that either give no points or negative points for her and can choose to leave after the date, but she'll still express deep feelings for the MC in ep 5 even though he's not been very good to her. Now, sometimes, in the real world, you can have an attraction to a person you know little to nothing about and who you haven't really spent any time with, so that could be what's happening here, but I would say that most people approach these games from the perspective of "more interactions = more feelings", and that not interacting with a LI should mean there are no feelings. For her to feel so strongly about him, she and the MC should have at least had some good interactions, but even on a totally anti-Josy path, she still likes him a lot which is strange.

This then makes the choices feel somewhat false because, even though it does lead to not being in intimate relationships with certain LIs, it doesn't impact the feelings the LIs have for the MC and vice-versa. It therefore causes confusion in players who have completely avoided certain LIs to have them suddenly express feelings and makes the game feel like less like one where choices matter and more like a linear game with false choices because the characters are so important to the plot that they have to stay active and relevant in the MC's life even if players don't want them there.

it is the story that continues to suggest that you have to let it go some girl.

for example when Josy gets hurt when he finds out about Jill's date, or when she finds out that MC had sex with Maya, the complicated relationship between Bella and Jill, Bella who doesn't respect Jade ...

you are constantly given warning signs, which push you to try something, but it is useless

I repeat: it's not a problem, the game remains very nice, it's just an observation: you can't play it as if it were a roleplay

 

[felicemastronzo]

I disagree. Not having sex with Josy is a difference in and of itself. Moreover, it's one of two decisions that determine whether it's possible to try for something more with M&J, and that choice continues to have impact going forward. (It's even possible that having had sex with only one of the two girls will have some further impact down the line.)

So yes, Josy's parents will punish her either way, but that certainly doesn't mean the choice to sleep with her makes no difference in other ways.

I do not understand...

if MC dumps Josy on their date, but then he still has to justify himself in front of both of them in the DYKs library, what's the point?

that he is not involved in the threesome is logical, but also that he can propose it to the girls is absurd.

the difficult and CHICK decision to give up Josy does not bring you any benefit with Maya, indeed theoretically having sex with Josy improves your relationship with Maya ...

what this will entail in the future, nobody knows, but right now this is the situation

the only girl that you can dump is Sage, who of all is the one who would have the least problems carrying on a clandestine relationship

 

[sohabit]

Just a bit ? Do you have a specific interest for what happended with some characters or do you want a whole summary ?

A whole summary would be nice if it is fine.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I repeat: it's not a problem, the game remains very nice, it's just an observation: you can't play it as if it were a roleplay

But that's the problem. The game sometimes feels like it is a roleplay, or dating sim as moskyx said, in the way that the MC and LIs interact with each other. You're presented with multiple girls, multiple choices, and the possibility of not being in intimate relationships with them, yet even if you avoid one or some of them as much as possible, the story seems to be pushing feelings and a possible relationship on to the player because the story demands it.

Other games do the "dating sim" thing well like Sisterly Lust and DMD, where the MC can reject LIs and side girls and they are completely rejected because they then don't play a major role in the story and any further interactions with them have no impact on the overall story. There are also games that do the "story relationships" well, as in you can choose to do things with certain LIs and develop relationships with them and the ones you don't remain in the story but it's clear there's nothing there, like in Depraved Awakening and The Visit.

BaDIK seems to straddle the line between both of these types of games and it's because of that that it leads to problems like with the M&J relationship and with the relationship with Bella if you're not on those paths. It's a flaw in the design and could get worse if people who are not on these paths are still put in situations with them when they don't want to be.

 

[felicemastronzo]

But that's the problem. The game sometimes feels like it is a roleplay, or dating sim as moskyx said, in the way that the MC and LIs interact with each other. You're presented with multiple girls, multiple choices, and the possibility of not being in intimate relationships with them, yet even if you avoid one or some of them as much as possible, the story seems to be pushing feelings and a possible relationship on to the player because the story demands it.

Other games do the "dating sim" thing well like Sisterly Lust and DMD, where the MC can reject LIs and side girls and they are completely rejected because they then don't play a major role in the story and any further interactions with them have no impact on the overall story. There are also games that do the "story relationships" well, as in you can choose to do things with certain LIs and develop relationships with them and the ones you don't remain in the story but it's clear there's nothing there, like in Depraved Awakening and The Visit.

BaDIK seems to straddle the line between both of these types of games and it's because of that that it leads to problems like with the M&J relationship and with the relationship with Bella if you're not on those paths. It's a flaw in the design and could get worse if people who are not on these paths are still put in situations with them when they don't want to be.

what is it DMD?

sisterly lust, in my opinion, does a different thing, it builds a series of paths and you can follow one or more of one, or even all of them.
but no path has real effects on others (only at the end for the showdown)

in this game, however, we have the impression that our choices with some LI could have an effect on our relationship with the other LIs, and in the end it will probably be like this


Being a DYK must be accepted for what it is, there is a strong story that must be followed, otherwise the story will follow you

 

[Holy Bacchus]

what is it DMD?

Dating My Daughter.

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

it is the story that continues to suggest that you have to let it go some girl.

for example when Josy gets hurt when he finds out about Jill's date, or when she finds out that MC had sex with Maya, the complicated relationship between Bella and Jill, Bella who doesn't respect Jade ...

you are constantly given warning signs, which push you to try something, but it is useless

I repeat: it's not a problem, the game remains very nice, it's just an observation: you can't play it as if it were a roleplay

This reminds me of Leah showing Megan the photos of MC's "adventures". Josy might be going down that same path where she might reject MC at the end.

 

[The_Prophet_]

Great fucking game... i cant wait for chapter 6

 

[felicemastronzo]

This reminds me of Leah showing Megan the photos of MC's "adventures". Josy might be going down that same path where she might reject MC at the end.

because of your terrorism I haven't played AL yet ...

but if I understand what you mean, I also fear that at some point some seemingly unimportant choices, or even beyond our control, will be decisive for the relationship with some LIs.


Jill will drop us because we leave the library in wrinkled clothes

Sage will return with Chad because we skipped a guitar lesson

etc

 

[Holy Bacchus]

This reminds me of Leah showing Megan the photos of MC's "adventures". Josy might be going down that same path where she might reject MC at the end.

I really don't think DPC will do that kind of thing again because they'd just be repeating themselves. AL already did the whole "MC gets dumped by LI for being an unfaithful horndog" thing that DPC surely has to resolve these relationships in a different way, probably by keeping them casual for as long as possible and then having the MC decide who he wants to be with the most, and afterwards there won't be opportunities to cheat.

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

The problem here is that MC is overly good to them even after friendzoning them. After kicking them to the curb, he's giving them the wrong impression and signal that he still cares, thus confusing them.

As I told someone before, there is no such thing as regarding a female as "friend" for a male, especially attractive ones. For a male to befriend a female, the female has to attract the male first for him to even consider it.

I am not sure about the culture in this game, but the relationship development from first met -> attracted -> sex -> break up -> get back together -> make up sex -> threesome in 2 weeks in warp speed in my books.

I don't see how the MC is confusing them. Depending on the choices made in the library and after that you have very little interaction with Maya and Josy until the ANO party. Depending on the MC's choices you could have just said "Just friends" turned around and left. How is that confusing? Maya and Josy start the interaction in the ANO house not the MC. It could potentially be "Hey I know we told you your not worth it for us but could you please come with me to see my Dad?" Doesn't fly Brotha. The game makes no distinction between which path your on. So far our choices have eliminated what we do or don't see but they don't affect the story at all.

Wow you don't think much of "men" do you? I have female friends that I don't want to fuck or even be more than friends with. Absolute stereotypes will always get you in trouble. Trust me their are exceptions for everything in life.

 

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[Alfagrem]

Having just done the '-RP' route, I wouldn't say that the choices you make preclude the LI having some kind of feelings for you.

When you turn down sex with Josy at her home you're doing so for a valid & honest reason. You're not calling her a slut, telling her she's physically repulsive, stupid or anything else which might lead you to question why she might still want you further down the line.

The only relationship forcing the DPK does on the MC is when you kiss Isabella (when drunk) and Maya in the park other then that it's generally the LI that force the interaction on the MC - Jill on the couch, Sage after the Chad fight, Maya grinding.

 

[moskyx]

Having just done the '-RP' route, I wouldn't say that the choices you make preclude the LI having some kind of feelings for you.

When you turn down sex with Josy at her home you're doing so for a valid & honest reason. You're not calling her a slut, telling her she's physically repulsive, stupid or anything else which might lead you to question why she might still want you further down the line.

The only relationship forcing the DPK does on the MC is when you kiss Isabella (when drunk) and Maya in the park other then that it's generally the LI that force the interaction on the MC - Jill on the couch, Sage after the Chad fight, Maya grinding.

Of course they can develope feelings for you even when you are not really interested on them, those things happen all the time. But the MC have like 6 obvious LI and me as a player expect some agency on chosing who am I interested in. I just want to end things with Josy and make every choice available to avoid any kind of love relationship with her, but in the end not only she's still interested on me (as I said, this can happen) but I have to read the MC (me!) having doubts about it and trapping himself in an emotional trap that I just want to avoid and that could be easily avoided just by having an honest conversation with her. I mean, I just want to be able to tell her politely to fuck off, but I can't because it's the main story of the game. OK, if the game were exclusively about that relationship I wouldn't mind and I would try to live with it and act accordingly (as I did in AL when I saw Megan relationship was kind of mandatory), but when I have plenty of other options available I just can't stand being forced into one of them.

Edit.- TL;DR: probably my main issue is not that some situations aren't avoidable, but that the way they are written makes me feel I'm not really controlling the MC. I'm behaving in a certain way to avoid a certain relationship, I'm constantly choosing to ignore a certain character, but the very own MC seems to be oblivious of why I'm doing that, although it should be quite obvious that I'm not interested in her

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

Of course they can develope feelings for you even when you are not really interested on them, those things happen all the time. But the MC have like 6 obvious LI and me as a player expect some agency on chosing who am I interested in. I just want to end things with Josy and make every choice available to avoid any kind of love relationship with her, but in the end not only she's still interested on me (as I said, this can happen) but I have to read the MC (me!) having doubts about it and trapping himself in an emotional trap that I just want to avoid and that could be easily avoided just by having an honest conversation with her. I mean, I just want to be able to tell her politely to fuck off, but I can't because it's the main story of the game. OK, if the game were exclusively about that relationship I wouldn't mind and I would try to live with it and act accordingly (as I did in AL when I saw Megan relationship was kind of mandatory), but when I have plenty of other options available I just can't stand being forced into one of them.

Edit.- TL;DR: probably my main issue is not that some situations aren't avoidable, but that the way they are written makes me feel I'm not really controlling the MC. I'm behaving in a certain way to avoid a certain relationship, I'm constantly choosing to ignore a certain character, but the very own MC seems to be oblivious of why I'm doing that, although it should be quite obvious that I'm not interested in her

To me it seems like he has created what should have been a KN rather than a VN. Our choices are to see/not to see content but the overall story keeps on rolling along with us being dragged along with our illusion of choice along for the ride.