VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[xsssssssss]

I’m fairly sure the reason she is coming up short is because she is getting high on her own supply. She blames it of Riona (classic junky move) but I frankly don’t think she would dare to go against Quinn in this way. Plus when she has the conversation with Riona I don’t think she even mentions the idea it might be her fault.

She is the only one we see injecting drugs, and trying to get other people on board with that. She’s already selling the Jocks sugar pills if she isn’t using where exactly has this inability to pay her dealer come from?

Don’t believe she’s coming up short because she’s using too much. Riona is clearly an excuse though. I still believe someone is likely extorting money out of Quinn which is why she is suddenly struggling to pay her dealer.

 

[Deleted member 2739658]

Probably giving Quinn too much benefit of the doubt, but I feel like she is doing what she does for the HOTs, that she gives a cut to the HOTs, pays the dealers what she owes, and maybe pockets a bit extra for herself. From what John Boy said in ep 5 about Elena, I get the sense that each HOT has to do something to bring money in and most of it is charitable/community work, but I can't see Quinn doing that, so perhaps she fakes it or pretends to get the money from elsewhere.

No, Tommy specifically says that Rusty would have given the HOT's the money that he would normally have given to the Pink Rose girls. Quinn rejects this because she wanted the money for herself.

 

[Deleted member 2739658]

Quinn is having money problems.

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This is also a perfect example of how a Massive DIK reacts to betrayal. Not whining like a cuck the way the MC did to M&J in that bullshit ep4 scene.

 

[felicemastronzo]

No, Tommy specifically says that Rusty would have given the HOT's the money that he would normally have given to the Pink Rose girls. Quinn rejects this because she wanted the money for herself.

will someone have to pay for this drug?

Quinn isn't getting rich, she's struggling to keep her business on its feet

the theme of almost every speech of Quinn is "there is not enough money, we need more money"

This is also a perfect example of how a Massive DIK reacts to betrayal. Not whining like a cuck the way the MC did to M&J in that bullshit ep4 scene.

MC is a CHICK
every time a player makes him take a DIK's choice, his immaculate heart cries

 

[moskyx]

Yeah, It is a huge plot hole. Once the MC becomes closer to Sage why doesn't he just tell her that Quinn is using the sorority as a front for prostitution?

That's not a plot hole, that's bad writing. DPC is presenting us an option (tell her EVERYTHING what you know) but then the dialog doesn't match the option given because the natural outcome of it would ruin his planned plot. So the problem lies in the way he presents that option and that's completely a writing issue which results in me hating and feeling disconnected from my MC who's not responding the way I've chosen for him to response. And this is just one of the several times this happens (probably the most blatant one, though, but all of them keep adding up to the point I just can't take my MC seriously, and all the intended drama becomes an awkward comedy).

Regarding Sage, I already said that MC might think she knows it so there's no point on telling her. That's a logical assumption I would understand. From a playing perspective, would it be fair and natural to have an option to tell her anyway? Sure, but here DPC never gives us that option so we just go with the flow and don't give it too much thought. So in terms of immersion this doesn't effect me as much as Maya's convo: I'm never allowed to tell Sage and, even if I think that option should be there, I can see a reason why my MC wouldn't feel the need to tell her. And this helps DPC to keep the story going to the conflict point he's planned. That's OK. But that Maya scene is terrible for players who choose to tell her. Even if in the future this mild warning helps Maya to step out of problems, what we were thinking was to avoid those problems completely by telling her now all the truth behind Quinn's offer. And we were thinking that only because DPC used the word EVERYTHING wrote "tell her what you know". He could have used other words, he could have made Maya totally dismiss our warning. Instead, he chose to make our MC absolutely uncapable of doing what the player was induced to think he would do.

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Edited for precission thanks to crabsinthekitchen

 

[always86]

Don’t believe she’s coming up short because she’s using too much. Riona is clearly an excuse though. I still believe someone is likely extorting money out of Quinn which is why she is suddenly struggling to pay her dealer.

Extortion is possible though I don’t recall an specific hints that it might be the case. Whereas we know Quinn is taking an injectable drug. Only illicit injectable drugs I know of are pretty addictive. People with addictions do crazy things.

So she's going to destroy the DIK's, the Frat where a good number of her customers are members, just to try to carry out a poorly planned scheme? You guys are really reaching here. I think it's much more likely that Quinn has just mis-managed her drug business just like we've already seen her mis-manage her prostitution business.

As Holy Bacchus said, it’s not about destroying the DIKs. IMO it’s probably about feeding her habit. The fate of the DIKs are at best and afterthought and at worst ‘collateral’ damage. If she is an addict, then her main concern would be her next fix.

When have we seen her mismanage her prostitution business? (Other than being abusive to the girls?). Business seems to be booming, so much so she’s looking to add as many as 6 extra girls to the ranks. Meanwhile we know she using her own drugs and it’s heavily implied at times that she is high outside of a party situation (fly on face).

That all said the one possible out is that her dealer is making unreasonable demands on sales quotas. But between selling the sugar pills to the Jocks and the 2k deal Rich, it’s hard to see how they are coming up so short.

Quinn is having money problems.

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Actually respect Tommy in this scene. He’s mad, but he here’s her out, he doesn’t touch her and in the end he tells her to go fuck herself. (in his own words).

One other thing I note is he doesn’t put his hands on her. One of the things I dislike in episode one and two is when the MC gets angry with Quinn he grabs her. I don’t think the is supposed to be as abusive as it looks but in neither instance is their any justification for it

 

[felicemastronzo]

That's not a plot hole, that's bad writing. DPC is presenting us an option (tell her EVERYTHING) but then the dialog doesn't match the option given because the natural outcome of it would ruin his planned plot. So the problem lies in the way he presents that option and that's completely a writing issue which results in me hating and feeling disconnected from my MC who's not responding the way I've chosen for him to response. And this is just one of the several times this happens (probably the most blatant one, though, but all of them keep adding up to the point I just can't take my MC seriously, and all the intended drama becomes an awkward comedy).

Regarding Sage, I already said that MC might think she knows it so there's no point on telling her. That's a logical assumption I would understand. From a playing perspective, would it be fair and natural to have an option to tell her anyway? Sure, but here DPC never gives us that option so we just go with the flow and don't give it too much thought. So in terms of immersion this doesn't effect me as much as Maya's convo: I'm never allowed to tell Sage and, even if I think that option should be there, I can see a reason why my MC wouldn't feel the need to tell her. And this helps DPC to keep the story going to the conflict point he's planned. That's OK. But that Maya scene is terrible for players who choose to tell her. Even if in the future this mild warning helps Maya to step out of problems, what we were thinking was to avoid those problems completely by telling her now all the truth behind Quinn's offer. And we were thinking that only because DPC used the word EVERYTHING. He could have used other word, he could have made Maya totally dismiss our warning. Instead, he chose to make our MC absolutely uncapable of doing what the player was inducted to think he would do.

I quite agree with you.

I add my consideration: I think we overestimate the seriousness of the restaurant. in the real world it would be a very serious matter, but BADIK is not the real world. anything that has to do with sex is tolerated much more than in reality.
in a context where having sex for a competition is acceptable, having sex for money cannot be that bad, that illegal.

we have already witnessed a whole series of more or less serious sexual abuses, but they are absolutely not perceived as such, precisely because of the context.

about drugs I think and hope it will be different

 

[moskyx]

I quite agree with you.

I add my consideration: I think we overestimate the seriousness of the restaurant. in the real world it would be a very serious matter, but BADIK is not the real world. anything that has to do with sex is tolerated much more than in reality.
in a context where having sex for a competition is acceptable, having sex for money cannot be that bad, that illegal.

we have already witnessed a whole series of more or less serious sexual abuses, but they are absolutely not perceived as such, precisely because of the context.

about drugs I think and hope it will be different

I do hope the story gets to a point where those serious sexual issues will be treated as serious issues. I mean, the young guys and gals involved might not see any problem (this happens in real life too), but it is a problem. I honestly expect real life to hit hard later on, I would feel quite disappointed if that's not the case

 

[xsssssssss]

I do hope the story gets to a point where those serious sexual issues will be treated as serious issues. I mean, the young guys and gals involved might not see any problem (this happens in real life too), but it is a problem. I honestly expect real life to hit hard later on, I would feel quite disappointed if that's not the case

I hope it’s not treated in some heavy handed moralistic way.

 

[der123fer]

Just a bit more until the status update, we almost there guys. Mad hype

 

[eightypercent]

Just replayed this game... it is by far the funniest VN here, imho, and incredibly polished and imaginative. Being a DIK makes me laugh and cringe and laugh again. I was in tears (funny) again when the MC pokes Jill in the eye with the dildo hat

 

[Idontknowme]

Regarding Sage, I already said that MC might think she knows it so there's no point on telling her. That's a logical assumption I would understand. From a playing perspective, would it be fair and natural to have an option to tell her anyway? Sure, but here DPC never gives us that option so we just go with the flow and don't give it too much thought. So in terms of immersion this doesn't effect me as much as Maya's convo: I'm never allowed to tell Sage and, even if I think that option should be there, I can see a reason why my MC wouldn't feel the need to tell her. And this helps DPC to keep the story going to the conflict point he's planned. That's OK.

Well, if that is the case it should make Sage very much less likeable to such MCs who do think that Quinn is 'evil'. If MC does not condone Quinn aking advantage of gullible, poor, young girls for her prostitution ring, he shouldn't condone Sage turning a blind eye to it either. Especially, since she has the power to stop it.

I really hope that Sage is completely in the dark regarding this.

 

[xsssssssss]

Extortion is possible though I don’t recall an specific hints that it might be the case. Whereas we know Quinn is taking an injectable drug. Only illicit injectable drugs I know of are pretty addictive. People with addictions do crazy things.

If quinn’s The only one that knows we won’t get a conclusive hint yet that it is extortion.
There’s lots of ambiguous hints that something has changed this year.
The one time we see her shooting up it’s presentation is as part of a sales pitch.
It’s possible that all the ambiguous hints end up at a secret addict but we haven’t seen anything that would suggest that from them yet.

 

[barbatoscloud]

Quinn is having money problems.

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So Quinn Can't pay the drug dealer ?

 

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Jill is quite a troll here, just like in Cluck.

 

[felicemastronzo]

If quinn’s The only one that knows we won’t get a conclusive hint yet.
There’s lots of ambiguous hints that something has changed this year.
The one time we see her shooting up it’s presentation is as part of a sales pitch.
It’s possible that all the ambiguous hints end up at a secret addict but we haven’t seen anything that would suggest that from them yet.

I did not understand sorry.

do you think Quinn is the addict? or that there is another character involved?

 

[xsssssssss]

I did not understand sorry.

do you think Quinn is the addict? or that there is another character involved?

I think Quinn is being extorted for money. The other poster believed she is an addict.

 

[crabsinthekitchen]

That's not a plot hole, that's bad writing. DPC is presenting us an option (tell her EVERYTHING) but then the dialog doesn't match the option given because the natural outcome of it would ruin his planned plot. So the problem lies in the way he presents that option and that's completely a writing issue which results in me hating and feeling disconnected from my MC who's not responding the way I've chosen for him to response. And this is just one of the several times this happens (probably the most blatant one, though, but all of them keep adding up to the point I just can't take my MC seriously, and all the intended drama becomes an awkward comedy).

Regarding Sage, I already said that MC might think she knows it so there's no point on telling her. That's a logical assumption I would understand. From a playing perspective, would it be fair and natural to have an option to tell her anyway? Sure, but here DPC never gives us that option so we just go with the flow and don't give it too much thought. So in terms of immersion this doesn't effect me as much as Maya's convo: I'm never allowed to tell Sage and, even if I think that option should be there, I can see a reason why my MC wouldn't feel the need to tell her. And this helps DPC to keep the story going to the conflict point he's planned. That's OK. But that Maya scene is terrible for players who choose to tell her. Even if in the future this mild warning helps Maya to step out of problems, what we were thinking was to avoid those problems completely by telling her now all the truth behind Quinn's offer. And we were thinking that only because DPC used the word EVERYTHING. He could have used other word, he could have made Maya totally dismiss our warning. Instead, he chose to make our MC absolutely uncapable of doing what the player was inducted to think he would do.

to be fair, the option is "Tell her what you know", not "Tell her EVERYTHING". what MC knows is that Quinn runs a "restaurant" with two girls working there (Riona is an easy conclusion for Japanese food but anyone including Quinn herself can be considered spicy unless you order it) and that she made Camila get naked in front of MC when he was stealing panties, which is not that different from what he and Derek had to do for DIKs so might as well be normal hazing. everything else is optional and DPC probably didn't want to have different dialogue to cover every possible situation

 

[moskyx]

Well, if that is the case it should make Sage very much less likeable to such MCs who do think that Quinn is 'evil'. If MC does not condone Quinn aking advantage of gullible, poor, young girls for her prostitution ring, he shouldn't condone Sage turning a blind eye to it either. Especially, since she has the power to stop it.

I really hope that Sage is completely in the dark regarding this.

You're right, if MC thinks she's also involved somehow, it wouldn't make so much sense trying to warn Maya about Quinn then tell her to trust Sage instead. So yeah, we definitely should be given an option to tell Sage about Quinn's shenanigans, especially if we're in her path, just as we could warn Maya. I expect that option to be there preferably sooner than later, and do hope our MC would be able to actually say what's going on. Each day passing without that option detracts from the intended 'realism' of the story and characterization. If some MCs care enough for Maya to try to warn her, any MC who's interested in a relationship with Sage should be willing to warn her too. Both girls should face similar conversations, approached from different perspectives obviously

to be fair, the option is "Tell her what you know", not "Tell her EVERYTHING". what MC knows is that Quinn runs a "restaurant" with two girls working there (Riona is an easy conclusion for Japanese food but anyone including Quinn herself can be considered spicy unless you order it) and that she made Camila get naked in front of MC when he was stealing panties, which is not that different from what he and Derek had to do for DIKs so might as well be normal hazing. everything else is optional and DPC probably didn't want to have different dialogue to cover every possible situation

My bad, I got carried away. Anyway, he knows there's a prostitution scheme run by Quinn, his thought just before the choice (the way she's USING Camila) makes it crystal clear. But then he says "she uses them to earn money" which of course is literally what he knows, but... come on. I'm sure that's not what you were expecting to be said

 

[felicemastronzo]

to be fair, the option is "Tell her what you know", not "Tell her EVERYTHING". what MC knows is that Quinn runs a "restaurant" with two girls working there (Riona is an easy conclusion for Japanese food but anyone including Quinn herself can be considered spicy unless you order it) and that she made Camila get naked in front of MC when he was stealing panties, which is not that different from what he and Derek had to do for DIKs so might as well be normal hazing. everything else is optional and DPC probably didn't want to have different dialogue to cover every possible situation

are there differences in the dialogues in case MC has used the restaurant or not?

if MC was a customer, not telling her directly would be more understandable (a bit vile, but understandable)