VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Deleted member 2739658]

Actually the player never says Maya that Quinn runs a sex business. In the end he just says 'she earns money from girls' and 'don't trust her' and she's the one who brings up the idea of turning up to Sage... with no visible effect, as HOT pledgers aren't allowed to change mothers. So if she wants to remain a HOT, she'd have to stick with Quinn and do all what she need to do in order to be accepted. That's when, sooner or later, she will face the decision of joining the business. If she feels that's her only option to get the money she needs so desperately, I don't see it quite strange she would end accepting. Especially if she doesn't feel MC's and/or Maya's support.
Also, it's still not clear what Sage knows about Quinn's business, so let's scratch that assumption "she definitely will not allow Quinn to force any of the HOTs to join the business" because, as far as we know, she might not even know there's a business at all. I'm guessing she will know all the truth just a second too late. And about Quinn not pissing off the MC, well, in some paths it's perfectly possible the MC doen't give a shit about Maya, so there it goes.

Did you happen to notice that Quinn brought up the MC in the scene with Sage and Maya. I think Quinn played on Sage's feelings there, to prevent a ruling that went against her.

 

[PookieSage]

Remember in the Diks party when you preffee go with Maya a she says words from her father says to her? Her father is a pieces of shit or the family except Dereck

Sadly that's just how m o s t conservative religious parents are regarding sexualities other than what they deem as ''normal''

 

[moskyx]

We didn't see her use the girls in any other way, sure it's possible but everything other than what we have seen is just assumptions. But yeah sure she can use her in other ways



I hope that you are wrong, I'm already fully invested in the game and mainly in Maya and seeing this would fuck me up. Can't we just assume that everything will go well for everyone? Except for Quinn and Jill

Maya is not like the other girls, and Quinn is more desperated now than she was a week ago.

I'm just playing Devil's advocate here, I won't like to see this happening but also I don't think we should dismiss it just like that. Not at this point.

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

That's why we have Mona. She seems likely to be the character that shows what happens when someone is desperate, malleable, and doesn't have a strong support structure around them. The only person that seems close to Mona is Camila and she'll encourage rather than discourage Mona because Camila seems to be all in with Quinn's operation.

Maya will likely have Josy, Derek, and the MC long enough that she won't fall into such a thing, and even if she lost Josy and the MC, she'll still have Derek and will have likely built up enough resilience that she won't resort to going down that road.

I don't agree about Camila, she seems to know where her limits are and it's not that into Quinn's thing as it looked like in previous episodes. I think she will give good advice, but maybe she will still be talked into it again by Quinn and go that path with Burke.

Being alone was one of the conditions I mentioned in my original message. Maya has the MC, Josy and Derek and because all of them she could not do it, but if she were alone then maybe. But since we know she won't ever be alone that can't ever happen.

No, Maya is never going to be part of Quinn's operations, if the the dev follow his established characters' traits. A good example is that Maya straight up ask Sage to be her pledge mother if the players tell her that Quinn is running a sex business. Maya is willing to remain a HOT so far mainly because the only guy she had to get sexual with is the MC aka the guy she actually loves romantically. Moreover, Sage doesn't like Quinn's operations even though it brings them tons of money, so she definitely will not allow Quinn to force any of the HOTs to join the business. Quinn also likes the MC, so the last thing she wants to do is really piss off the MC. If you haven't realize, Quinn pratically jumps on the MC four times without expecting anything in return, yet she is all business-like with every other guy in the scenes.

Maya asked to change mothers because the MC suggested it to her. She lacks initiative.

 

[moskyx]

Did you happen to notice that Quinn brought up the MC in the scene with Sage and Maya. I think Quinn played on Sage's feelings there, to prevent a ruling that went against her.

I don't remember the exact details but all that convo shows Quinn's ability to manipulate Sage (and Sage's unwillingness to take matters on her own hands).

 

[PookieSage]

First of all prostitution has nothing to do with sex, that is to say it doesn't matter what the individuals sexual orientation is. The point of the act is money. No Prostitute is looking for sexual gratification when they solicit.

Sadly I didn't manage to phrase my point correctly and I'm not gonna bother to do so at this point

Maya is a person who tends to keep things from people, even people she cares about.

Agreed, that's the scary part. But I'm sure she will open up as time passes by, can be wrong tho

Also, Maya is an adult. She doesn't need her Father's permission, but she does choose to submit to him. I still find it hard to believe that she lived 30 minutes away from Josy and never tried to sneak away for a visit.

You may find it hard to believe because you never experienced that for yourself, which is a good thing

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I hope that you are wrong, I'm already fully invested in the game and mainly in Maya and seeing this would fuck me up. Can't we just assume that everything will go well for everyone? Except for Quinn and Jill

If you're invested in Maya and playing her route then you'll see the good stuff, so no problem there. But even for those not on that path, and even though this game does deal in some heavy themes, watching a character spiral downwards into a pit of depressing depravity just does not feel like it fits the overall lighter tone of the narrative which is why we'll not likely see anything too bad befall any characters.

What resilience could she possibly have when her girlfriend and the boy she also loves decide to be a thing without her? That's the only scenario that would make this possible, and I don't think it's a crazy idea. Only Derek remains as a safe protector, but he might be elsewhere when the crucial moment comes.

It's not like they're going to leave her within the next week, but Quinn pushing Maya to do something she doesn't want to do could happen soon and at that time she will have 3 people at most who could support her. So Maya will likely spend more time not being under Quinn's pressure than she does under it, and with the encouraging support around her, I don't see her backsliding even if the MC and Josy started a solo relationship.

I also don't see people like Josy and Derek taking such a thing lightly, so there's also the possibility that they could want to do something about it, whether that's going to Sage or even the counsellors. And whether they do or don't do anything about it, I reckon Quinn's whole operation will have crumbled anyway before anything involving the MC and Josy getting into a relationship would happen, so there wouldn't be any "Quinn restaurant" for Maya to get involved in anymore.

Standing up to someone you've only known for a short time is not that easy if that someone has power over you. Do you have a boss? Quinn is a boss for Maya, she's the key to get the money she needs, so she might have to deal with it. The harder route being... well, selling her body is hard enough, don't you think?

Except that the HOTs aren't her only option, they're just the easiest. Most people with bosses have to take whatever shit they get given because they don't have much of a choice, but Maya does have a choice, and with the people around her they can help to not only make the right and better choice, but also to help and encourage her with that choice even when it's the harder one.

 

[Deleted member 2739658]

Sadly I didn't manage to phrase my point correctly and I'm not gonna bother to do so at this point



Agreed, that's the scary part. But I'm sure she will open up as time passes by, can be wrong tho



You may find it hard to believe because you never experienced that for yourself, which is a good thing

In fact I did. My oldest brother Robert was killed in the Vietnam War in 1969. My other two brothers also served in that war. When I turned 18, I told my parents that I wanted to enlist in the Army. Of course, they were dead set against it. But I didn't need their permission, so I told them I was enlisting anyway, and I did.

 

[Dashxp4k]

Jill route.



"I'm to good for you route."



No interest in Jill route.

 

[PookieSage]

In fact I did. My oldest brother Robert was killed in the Vietnam War in 1969. My other two brothers also served in that war. When I turned 18, I told my parents that I wanted to enlist in the Army. Of course, they were dead set against it. But I didn't need their permission, so I told them I was enlisting anyway, and I did.

That's hard to hear and I apologize for my premature assumptions.
In the end it depends on the person really, you may have the courage but other's don't. I certainly don't have them to begin with when it comes to my sexuality. It's another story when it comes to something that I really want to do tho like, for example, enlisting in the army

 

[moskyx]

If you're invested in Maya and playing her route then you'll see the good stuff, so no problem there. But even for those not on that path, and even though this game does deal in some heavy themes, watching a character spiral downwards into a pit of depressing depravity just does not feel like it fits the overall lighter tone of the narrative which is why we'll not likely see anything too bad befall any characters.

You clearly understimate DPC's ability for plot-twisting As for the tone, if you take Melissa's step-father out of AL, the first 5 chapters are quite light too, the robbery being just the convenient excuse to meet Megan. All you have there is a guy living with 2 girls and hanging around with them and an amazing pal. Then shit happens. I would even say more serious problems have been hinted in BaDIK (drugs, prostitution, and nasty fights between frats) than in AL's first 5 chapters.

It's not like they're going to leave her within the next week, but Quinn pushing Maya to do something she doesn't want to do could happen soon and at that time she will have 3 people at most who could support her. So Maya will likely spend more time not being under Quinn's pressure than she does under it, and with the encouraging support around her, I don't see her backsliding even if the MC and Josy started a solo relationship.

I also don't see people like Josy and Derek taking such a thing lightly, so there's also the possibility that they could want to do something about it, whether that's going to Sage or even the counsellors. And whether they do or don't do anything about it, I reckon Quinn's whole operation will have crumbled anyway before anything involving the MC and Josy getting into a relationship would happen, so there wouldn't be any "Quinn restaurant" for Maya to get involved in anymore.

Yeah, timeframe is important here. But again, I don't think it would be too unrealistical if Maya decides to make her first big decission of her own with something so obviously stupid like this, fooling Derek and Josy (remember, she would be mad at Josie for running away from her with the MC) who might only know what happened after it's done. People do stupid things all the time just to prove themselves.

Except that the HOTs aren't her only option, they're just the easiest. Most people with bosses have to take whatever shit they get given because they don't have much of a choice, but Maya does have a choice, and with the people around her they can help to not only make the right and better choice, but also to help and encourage her with that choice even when it's the harder one.

As for now, it seems the HOT's could be her only option if things with Josie and MC don't go as desired. Her only support will be Derek but she'll be pretty hard beaten, and people in that state tend to do the most stupid things.

 

[Warped77]

But even for those not on that path, and even though this game does deal in some heavy themes, watching a character spiral downwards into a pit of depressing depravity just does not feel like it fits the overall lighter tone of the narrative which is why we'll not likely see anything too bad befall any characters.

While I kinda hope you're correct, if nothing 'too bad' is going to happen to anyone, what's the point of the pre-game disclaimer? I don't want to see any of the characters we've come to know in the first 5 chapters get badly hurt (physically or emotionally) or even killed... but I definitely wouldn't say it's "not likely".

 

[Deleted member 2739658]

That's hard to hear and I apologize for my premature assumptions.
In the end it depends on the person really, you may have the courage but other's don't. I certainly don't have them to begin with when it comes to my sexuality. It's another story when it comes to something that I really want to do tho like, for example, enlisting in the army

But see, this is my whole point. Nothing about Maya presents the impression of someone who could stand up to Quinn's manipulation. I was an investigator for many years and for two of those years I traced runaways. I know a lot about how vulnerable people are sucked into nightmare's like prostitution, and with Maya it's almost like DPC has created the perfect victim. Everyone keeps going on about how she would never do that, but given the desperation of her situation I'm saying, based on what I know, that she would do that if written in accordance with her personality as presented in the game. I've had so many horrific conversations with parents and loved ones who sound exactly like so many people on this form and are so convinced that she would never do that. That's not true, she would.

 

[Deleted member 2739658]

Good night all, I'm going to bed.

 

[PookieSage]

But see, this is my whole point. Nothing about Maya presents the impression of someone who could stand up to Quinn's manipulation. I was an investigator for many years and for two of those years I traced runaways. I know a lot about how vulnerable people are sucked into nightmare's like prostitution, and with Maya it's almost like DPC has created the perfect victim. Everyone keeps going on about how she would never do that, but given the desperation of her situation I'm saying, based on what I know, that she would do that if written in accordance with her personality as presented in the game. I've had so many horrific conversations with parents and loved ones who sound exactly like so many people on this form and are so convinced that she would never do that. That's not true, she would.

Bro I just hope you are wrong Can't see anything good coming from Quinn's manipulation

 

[Holy Bacchus]

While I kinda hope you're correct, if nothing 'too bad' is going to happen to anyone, what's the point of the pre-game disclaimer? I don't want to see any of the characters we've come to know in the first 5 chapters get badly hurt (physically or emotionally) or even killed... but I definitely wouldn't say it's "not likely".

Because there's a million different things that the characters can go through that can elicit strong, painful feelings in the player before it even gets to something as extreme as watching someone go from a sweet, innocent, wallflower type character to a drug-adled whore, or to even include a tragic death. Bella's story, for example, might have elements in it that hit really close to the bone for some people and that still lines up with the warning about not "being in a good place" because it could cause an emotional reaction in the player.

Point is that there's a whole spectrum of "bad things" that can befall a character and it doesn't necessarily have to go all the way to the most extreme end of that spectrum, especially since DPC already did that once and to include another tragic, depressing story arc, even an optional one, is a one-trick-pony move.

 

[Maviarab]

You don't listen very well do you? Go away.

But see, this is my whole point. Nothing about Maya presents the impression of someone who could stand up to Quinn's manipulation. I was an investigator for many years and for two of those years I traced runaways. I know a lot about how vulnerable people are sucked into nightmare's like prostitution, and with Maya it's almost like DPC has created the perfect victim. Everyone keeps going on about how she would never do that, but given the desperation of her situation I'm saying, based on what I know, that she would do that if written in accordance with her personality as presented in the game. I've had so many horrific conversations with parents and loved ones who sound exactly like so many people on this form and are so convinced that she would never do that. That's not true, she would.

No one cares what you've done, it's the internet. I used to be a marine astronaut. Are you such an arrogant ass in real life too..or just an argumentative know-it-all internet tough guy?

Asking for a friend...

 

[lemonfreak]

I don't agree about Camila, she seems to know where her limits are and it's not that into Quinn's thing as it looked like in previous episodes. I think she will give good advice, but maybe she will still be talked into it again by Quinn and go that path with Burke.

Being alone was one of the conditions I mentioned in my original message. Maya has the MC, Josy and Derek and because all of them she could not do it, but if she were alone then maybe. But since we know she won't ever be alone that can't ever happen.

Maya asked to change mothers because the MC suggested it to her. She lacks initiative.

I don't buy this hypothesis for a second but the groundwork for Maya being alone has been laid; she and Josy could break up, josy could then go back to MC and, at the same time, Derek's cheating in classes could catch up to him and he could be kicked out of B&R. Then who does Maya turn too?

 

[PookieSage]

She and Josy could break up, josy could then go back to MC and, at the same time, Derek's cheating in classes could catch up to him and he could be kicked out of B&R. Then who does Maya turn too?

That's a lot of ''could''s in your sentence. Bro if you make assumptions they should have a solid ground to start with. Why should Maya and Josy break up all of a sudden? Even if you don't pursue their route, they are still a couple. There is no sign whatsoever that they are on the brink of breaking up. ''Josy could go back to MC''. There is an equal possibility that Maya would do the same, not just Josy.
Also even IF M&J broke up and even IF Josy goes back to the MC, why does that automatically mean that you, as the MC, would let Maya completly drop?

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I don't buy this hypothesis for a second but the groundwork for Maya being alone has been laid; she and Josy could break up, josy could then go back to MC and, at the same time, Derek's cheating in classes could catch up to him and he could be kicked out of B&R. Then who does Maya turn too?

Even if all that happens, Quinn's operation will likely be finished by then because all of that ending will be part of the main, unavoidable story arc. So if Maya were to be left all alone, she'd just have to get through it like any ordinary student.