VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[MrFriendly]

That's assuming it resolves a lot of these lingering issues, but it probably won't. In this particular case, Maya and Josy still need to have a proper discussion with the MC about their feelings for him, each other, and about what exactly was going on with them. People still get mad because they don't understand them and we need more character exploration so that we can, and until then, if it even happens at all, these arguments will continue to crop up every so often.

Well, sooner or later the MC will need to decide who will be the "ONE" (or in their case "TWO")... Most likely much later because, as you pointed out, there needs to be a lot more meaningless sex in college before he gets serious.

I keep forgetting that this is the CW version of writing... No one actually talks about anything until it blows up in their faces/endangers everyone.

 

[JJI]

Your lives must be so wonderful that the MC gets laid by two beautiful lesbians and you complain because they cheated on him. And he is playing around with five or six other women at the same time but that doesn't matter to you, you still whine. Grow up guys!

 

[AchedCroissant]

Oh the kids are upset with M&J again reviving the old scars

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[felicemastronzo]

Roll on 3 weeks when we have something else to finally discuss and argue over

for example on how rewarding a game of D&G is ....

 

[1337Bob]

It's crazy, because I remember when I first played episode 4, I was thinking the exact opposite to people hating on Maya and Josy. I thought MC was completely overreacting (though somewhat understandably at first), but what annoyed me in particular was the agency taken away from the player. You had to fuck around for the entire episode before you could actually resolve the conflict. I get storming out initially, but for the entire episode he avoids them, I'm just thinking "JUST FUCKING TALK TO THEM YOU IDIOT, COMMUNICATE", and it annoyed me the game wouldn't give me the option to approach/talk with them (like ignoring them in class and sitting with Camilla). Like I get they're meant to horny, emotional, stupid young adults, but I find it so annoying when games somewhat arbitrarily take decision making away from you.

For my two cents on this dead horse:

1. Yeah, Maya fucked up by not telling MC about Josy/having a gf, but in her defence, it did seem she was eventually going to tell you before Josy appeared, she is emotionally distraught by due to the rocky status of her relationship, the fact her dad hates her, and she's trying to reconcile her new bisexuality.

2. Josy didn't actually lie to MC, she though she was holding out on specific details. She at the very least told MC she was in a relationship, which was the important part.

Honestly there actions are completely understandable and forgivable. If MC just wants to remain friends, that makes sense too. What I don't understand is how people somehow think this so horrible that they should be instantly and completely cutting them out of MC's life.

 

[Naxer]

I've been playtesting and polishing the game and the PCs are rendering animations.

16 animations remain in the render queue.

The speed right now is ~8 animations per week. A few demanding animations are left in the queue and some easy ones as well.

Based on this, it looks like beta testing will start in late October/early November.

Beta testing is allotted 2 weeks, but if great results are achieved earlier than that, the release date will be earlier too.

November is going to be the month of release, but at what date I can't say accurately yet.

Next Friday, I will post a preliminary changelog for Episode 6.

Have a nice weekend

Dr PinkCake

I kindda hoped for a early november release, but it looks like It will be later on... I can wait for months without being impatient about it, but few last weeks are the hardest to bare, at least for me.

 

[mindern]

Still, they lied. And not me, but MC also upsets by that (if we select that option). And don't counter me as "MC also hiding about his sexual encounters". As I said, I want to be a hypocrite atleast in adult games.

He also forgives them.

You can’t have it both ways and cherry pick the MC’s opinion from a section of the story to back up yours. Yeah he was annoyed for part of one episode about their lying. But he also entirely forgives them by the end of it.

If the MC being annoyed adds any credence to the idea hating Maya/Josy is anything other than people projecting their opinions and morals onto a character that isn’t them it’s entirely removed again when he forgives them.

We are not the MC. MC is as much a character in this as Maya or Josy.

 

[MrFriendly]

It's crazy, because I remember when I first played episode 4, I was thinking the exact opposite to people hating on Maya and Josy. I thought MC was completely overreacting (though somewhat understandably at first), but what annoyed me in particular was the agency taken away from the player. You had to fuck around for the entire episode before you could actually resolve the conflict. I get storming out initially, but for the entire episode he avoids them, I'm just thinking "JUST FUCKING TALK TO THEM YOU IDIOT, COMMUNICATE", and it annoyed me the game wouldn't give me the option to approach/talk with them (like ignoring them in class and sitting with Camilla). Like I get they're meant to horny, emotional, stupid young adults, but I find it so annoying when games somewhat arbitrarily take decision making away from you.

For my two cents on this dead horse:

1. Yeah, Maya fucked up by not telling MC about Josy/having a gf, but in her defence, it did seem she was eventually going to tell you before Josy appeared, she is emotionally distraught by due to the rocky status of her relationship, the fact her dad hates her, and she's trying to reconcile her new bisexuality.

2. Josy didn't actually lie to MC, she though she was holding out on specific details. She at the very least told MC she was in a relationship, which was the important part.

Honestly there actions are completely understandable and forgivable. If MC just wants to remain friends, that makes sense too. What I don't understand is how people somehow think this so horrible that they should be instantly and completely cutting them out of MC's life.

For me it's the fact that it has only been such a short amount of time and there has already been so much drama. Yes, I get it an AVN without drama is like a birthday without cake, you need drama for the story to move forward/make people happy.

My whole issue is that I'd like for the MC to have two separate choices: 1) to forgive or not and then 2) to decide what type of relationship he wants to have with them (exclusivity because he admits to having feelings for both of them or just to stay friends or to move on). There is no reason that they can't be in the story after that decision, it would just change the way the MC interacts with them.

And, yes, I get that this is DPC's story. Obviously. Just wish we had more freedom to shape the MC and story more.

 

[Maviarab]

for example on how rewarding a game of D&G is ....

Oh God don't felice...I can already see the arguments surrounding that part.

 

[Vollezar]

For me it's the fact that it has only been such a short amount of time and there has already been so much drama. Yes, I get it an AVN without drama is like a birthday without cake, you need drama for the story to move forward/make people happy.

My whole issue is that I'd lik for the MC to have two separate choices: 1) to forgive or not and then 2) to decide what type of relationship he wants to have with them (exclusivity because he admits to having feelings for both of them or just to stay friends or to move on). There is no reason that they can't be in the story after that decision, it would just change the way the MC interacts with them.

And, yes, I get that this is DPC's story. Obviously. Just wish we had more freedom to shape the MC and story more.

Same here. Those seem like very important decisions in shaping the character and we are forced to make non choice or a choice to be a test subject for them to see whether they are lesbians or maybe, could be... nah, they are just lesbians who got a bit curious.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Oh God don't felice...I can already see the arguments surrounding that part.

do you feel it too? is coming, better prepare ...

p.s. if the D&G game is less than boring I will put an avatar of your choice for a month

 

[felicemastronzo]

For me it's the fact that it has only been such a short amount of time and there has already been so much drama. Yes, I get it an AVN without drama is like a birthday without cake, you need drama for the story to move forward/make people happy.

My whole issue is that I'd like for the MC to have two separate choices: 1) to forgive or not and then 2) to decide what type of relationship he wants to have with them (exclusivity because he admits to having feelings for both of them or just to stay friends or to move on). There is no reason that they can't be in the story after that decision, it would just change the way the MC interacts with them.

And, yes, I get that this is DPC's story. Obviously. Just wish we had more freedom to shape the MC and story more.

that chance skips after MC's suicide speech (which I hate)

from the moment in which the starting point (brought "by the prosecution") becomes that they are all the same, that they are all traitors in the same way the amnesty starts

Mc goes to get explanations and instead gives them

I didn't like the scene, but having gone this way these are the consequences

 

[Holy Bacchus]

My whole issue is that I'd like for the MC to have two separate choices: 1) to forgive or not and then 2) to decide what type of relationship he wants to have with them (exclusivity because he admits to having feelings for both of them or just to stay friends or to move on). There is no reason that they can't be in the story after that decision, it would just change the way the MC interacts with them.

This really gets to the heart of the issue for me, which is how the whole thing was resolved. It was a resolution without much sense, where M&J not only forgave each other easily but also literally kissed and made up leaving the MC to feel like the spare prick at a wedding and then, for some arbitrary reason, rejected him if he wanted something before because of a game mechanic even if he did absolutely everything he could with each of them.

I have always maintained, and will likely continue to maintain even after this game is completed, that M&J should not have gotten back together but instead been unsure of where this whole situation leaves them. They could still forgive each other because they both cheated on each other with the same person for the same reasons and so they understand each other, but their relationship should now be uncertain and so the MC could have jumped in to say how he feels and then either propose the 3 of them keep seeing each other, or take some time to all just be friends and figure things out. That would have been more satisfying and made a lot more sense.

And, yes, I get that this is DPC's story. Obviously. Just wish we had more freedom to shape the MC and story more.

I see people say this a lot, and not just about this game, but "freedom" in these games is largely impossible. It's not like we're playing The Sims and we can totally control the life of the MC, there's always a level of linearity to these stories, even choice based ones, because the choices lead to certain pre-set outcomes. The MC and the story have already been designed to be shaped in a certain way by certain actions, so even VNs that feel like they have freedom still don't have total freedom because you're still playing a path that was created by the dev and one that can be followed by everyone so there's no uniqueness to that "freedom".

 

[MrFriendly]

This really gets to the heart of the issue for me, which is how the whole thing was resolved. It was a resolution without much sense, where M&J not only forgave each other easily but also literally kissed and made up leaving the MC to feel like the spare prick at a wedding and then, for some arbitrary reason, rejected him if he wanted something before because of a game mechanic even if he did absolutely everything he could with each of them.

I have always maintained, and will likely continue to maintain even after this game is completed, that M&J should not have gotten back together but instead been unsure of where this whole situation leaves them. They could still forgive each other because they both cheated on each other with the same person for the same reasons and so they understand each other, but their relationship should now be uncertain and so the MC could have jumped in to say how he feels and then either propose the 3 of them keep seeing each other, or take some time to all just be friends and figure things out. That would have been more satisfying and made a lot more sense.

Yeah, it felt too much like it was neatly wrapped up and a bow placed on it.

I see people say this a lot, and not just about this game, but "freedom" in these games is largely impossible. It's not like we're playing The Sims and we can totally control the life of the MC, there's always a level of linearity to these stories, even choice based ones, because the choices lead to certain pre-set outcomes. The MC and the story have already been designed to be shaped in a certain way by certain actions, so even VNs that feel like they have freedom still don't have total freedom because you're still playing a path that was created by the dev and one that can be followed by everyone so there's no uniqueness to that "freedom".

I don't mean freedom in the "GTA Online" run around with a rocket launcher causing mayhem type of freedom. More that I would like to see the branching paths sooner than later... I really want to see the story moving forward and the MC being shaped and the paths being opened or closed off. As I only played AL after it was completed I don't know how long it will take DPC to develop this story to where the choices matter and we will get to pick the MC's one or two or ???

 

[Remplier]

Maya : I have a boyfriend
*some time later*
Maya : Please be completely honest with me
*some time later*
Maya : I actually don't have a boyfriend.
*some time later*
Maya : Lemme kiss you and do sexual stuff with you because why not? oh and you going back home to date someone makes it awkward, and I didn't like you not telling me about it. You weren't being honest with me.
*some time later*
Josy shows up at the door. (woops I forgot to tell you I'm actually in a relationship)
Sure there's nothing wrong with her. Nothing at all. She also forgets to tell Josy about what they did, but she had her plate full, so all's good.
Josy did nothing wrong, except she forgot to tell Maya she invited MC to her house and ask MC to "stay the night". Having sex is player choice, so not counting the sex there. But even if she and MC didn't, she intended to.
As I said, yeah I see nothing wrong here

I actually restarted the game to see if I was misremembering something, cuz I don't remember being that upset with Josy or Maya. I gotta say I still think things are being kinda blown out of proportion, particularly with Josy. Josy tells you within the day that she is in a relationship, *but* that it's complicated and that she has a crush for the MC too. Those conflicted feelings explain why she went on the date with him, and in my book she was honest enough. By then, the MC has the basic information that will allow him to decide whether or not pursuing that relationship is worth it. The risk being there's a chance he will be rejected later, and the benefit being that he might get Josy to break up with her current partner. Whether or not that's a risk worth taking is up to the individual players, but he has the cards he needs to make a move on whether to pursue it or not. Afterwards, Josy and the MC weren't sure if they were gonna see each other again, since he'd been admitted to R&B and she hadn't. With that level of uncertainty, why would Josy prioritize being with him over Maya, if he also had the potential to turn into a long distance thing, same as Maya? So I kinda get why Josy and MC text each other to test the waters, but without going all in, and putting all their eggs in one basket.

As for Maya, she also reveals that she has a boyfriend quite early on, and way before the heavy flirting starts. Whether it's a boyfriend or a girlfriend is not as important as the fact that she is in a relationship. It's up to the player to decide whether they wanna pursue something with her knowing that someone already has a serious advantage over them, or if the risk is not worth it. In short, it also amounts to them being free enough to date around with others, knowing that Maya's already committed and thus likely to break your heart, if you put too much energy into it.

If anything, the biggest dick move was Maya not telling Josy about the MC, so I actually agree with those saying the MC over-reacted, by giving J&M the silent treatment for as long as he did. So yeah, the way in which J&M made up after having cheated on each other with the MC was a little unbelievable to me, as well. But their betrayal of each other is way more serious than the half-truths they told the MC. But to each their own, I guess.

 

[Vollezar]

I love how people are jumping to defend Josy and Maya. And claim that MC is a man whore. Find it hilarious actually. None of them are playing from the perspective of the MC. Let me guess only defending them because they are hot. But you aren't playing them. You ARE the character. Beginning of the game and the story that he tells Bella, aside from a whole lot of small dialogue bits, should have given you a clue as to what kind of person he really is. And so are the actions and dialogue of everyone else in the game for that matter.
I am not going to get back into that discussion, but please go on. I find reading your defenses of them entertaining as hell.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I love how people are jumping to defend Josy and Maya. And claim that MC is a man whore. Find it hilarious actually. None of them are playing from the perspective of the MC. Let me guess only defending them because they are hot. But you aren't playing them. You ARE the character. Beginning of the game and the story that he tells Bella, aside from a whole lot of small dialogue bits, should have given you a clue as to what kind of person he really is. And so are the actions and dialogue of everyone else in the game for that matter.
I am not going to get back into that discussion, but please go on. I find reading your defenses of them entertaining as hell.

you say it's because we have a guilty conscience?

maybe

 

[Remplier]

I love how people are jumping to defend Josy and Maya. And claim that MC is a man whore. Find it hilarious actually. None of them are playing from the perspective of the MC. Let me guess only defending them because they are hot. But you aren't playing them. You ARE the character. Beginning of the game and the story that he tells Bella, aside from a whole lot of small dialogue bits, should have given you a clue as to what kind of person he really is. And so are the actions and dialogue of everyone else in the game for that matter.
I am not going to get back into that discussion, but please go on. I find reading your defenses of them entertaining as hell.

They're not hotter than the other characters, to be honest. I actually prefer Sage over them, when it comes to looks. Way I see it, this is a game that you can submerge into, to the point where you get to sympathize with the main character. That's how good it is. But it also means that, at other times, you can explore options you probably wouldn't explore in real life, since there aren't really any consequences to your actions, and there's no risk of getting your heart broken. That's why it has a lot of replay value. That's probably one of the reasons why I don't think that what Maya and Josy did is unforgivable. It is hurtful, but they both revealed that they were in some sort of relationship very early on. They definitely used the MC to some extent, but he got something out of it as well - for those who aren't seriously into Josy or Maya, he got a chance to get laid with them or fool around to some extent. For those who were into those girls, he got a chance to...well, get a chance - despite the risk of being rejected.

Also, I don't know for how long this convo has gone on, but I haven't implied the MC is a manwhore. I don't think it's his fault J&M cheated on each other with him, it's their fault they cheated on each other. Which is why I was surprised they forgave each other so easily, instead of there being a scenario where they, for instance, break up. But I guess that also has something to do with pinkcake not wanting to create too many paths, to the point it becomes unmanageable.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I still think that "hatred" towards Maya and Josy is mainly linked to their "playing time"

the first season basically is the story of MC, Maya and Josy, if they accept MC in the relationship it could already be the ending of their game ...

this already puts in a bad mood all the players who for aesthetic or other reasons were more interested in other characters

 

[Remplier]

Ok, so I have a question. Has anyone here managed to find a path in which they can balance their DIK points and CHIK points in a way that allows them to fuck Camilla and Mona in the bathroom stall, but still get the chance to be in a relationship with Maya and Josy?