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Just finished the update and don't really know where to begin, but one thing is for sure; I'm pissed off! I started off with the usual anxiety of not knowing where this was going, but at the end, I'm just really pissed off with this episode.

I think one of the reasons is that I've gotten used to games where there aren't so many consequences and it's a nice bit of escapism from the harsh realities of life, and this game was that for the first 3, even 5 episodes to an extent, but now it's just delivering gut punch, after gut punch, after gut punch that I'm starting to think DPC might be something of a masochist.

I've been here a lot and I know people have, by and large, been giving DPC the benefit of the doubt by saying "it won't be as dark as AL" and that "he won't do what he did before", well he's doing it in terms of the emotional stuff and, in what is just my humble opinion as an avid fan and player, it feels like the game is gradually getting worse with all of this dark drama and the gut-wrenching relationship melodrama.

Without going into too much detail and in no particular order, these are all the things that pissed me off about this episode based on my main runthrough:

1) The Sims-like "rebuild the mansion" management system
2) The DnG game
3) The whole nothing burger that was the MC's Mom's letter
4) Not getting to resolve things with Jade as to why the MC didn't show up for their rendezvous
5) Not being able to talk to Cathy and Jade at the bar
6) Having to choose between Jill and Sage
7) Essentially getting "cockblocked" from Nicole for going on the date with Jill
8) Tybalt's slimy blackmail
9) Automatically turning down Lily's request
10) Mona geting expelled
11) Cathy resigning
12) Maya's Dad showing up and literally everything to do with what he's doing to her.


I'm honestly so fearful of what's to happen now, particularly with Maya, because this is the darkest part of the game so far with so much depressing and worrisome shit being thrown at us all at once that I'm starting to think DPC enjoys this and that all of us hoping for this to be a generally light-hearted game couldn't have been more wrong.

I'll probably come back to this game in a couple of weeks once the walkthrough is released and see exactly what the deal is with the different choices, but I think I might also need to take some time to decompress after this episode because aside from pissing me off, I'm not liking the direction this is going in and I'm not sure if I can do this for 6 or more episodes if it keeps going in this direction.
That's more or less how I felt after playing Acting Lessons; DPC has a genuine gift for creating compelling characters - ones with the potential to truly move us as players - but he is irresponsible with the power that gives him. Leveraging that sort of emotional investment is certainly a classic trope, but it requires a delicate touch. Don Bluth pretty much made his career by stopping just short of scarring my childhood for life!

I'm not sure DPC knows when to stop. As I said before, I'm confident we can have happy endings with a LI of our choice, but I'm not sure what each of those endings will do to the other characters. It's my real fear about this game.

That said, I think I enjoyed this episode a lot more than you because I was already worried about all that and thus I could focus on the small things it does well with the various characters.. That, and I'm a lot more accepting of the fact that we WILL have to turn down some of the girls. To me, the concern isn't that we will be cut off from, say, Jill if we choose M&J, it's how cruel that rejection will be to Jill and what our relationship with Jill will be like after.

On that front, I think there are some mild positive signs in this episode. Calling Sage is mandatory for MC who are her fuck buddy, but was not mandatory for MCs who were just friends with her. That means my Jill-centric run through didn't have to turn down the second date to tend to Sage because he never knew she needed someone to tend to her. Similarly, that same MC could turn down Bella's offer to help clean up his room and thus avoid a lewd scene with her; I would have preferred to be able to accept her help and just let her go home for the evening, but I'll take what I can get.

Similarly, my main M&J run never had the second date with Jill, apparently because she picked up on the fact he just wasn't that into her. So for all the talk about how awkward it was seeing Jill and Josy at the library, there really wasn't much problem.

That said, I don't like how Jill handled the blackmail thing at all. The idea is valid, but the execution was lazy. It forced Jill into the stereotypical, naive debutante role she had so successfully avoided until now. I harbor serious concerns about how all of this will eventually unfold, and I'm hoping this was just a minor slip-up that will be corrected in Episode 7. So I don't want to complain overmuch about a character derailment that hasn't actually happened yet.

Anyway, my point is that all of this suggests to me there is at least some hope that unchosen girls might make it through the story in decent shape. That's a net win in my book, though obviously a trivially small one and we should all take to heart Josy's advice to take things slow emotionally.
 

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I have to say, as a Maya fan (see icon/sig) and a fan of the throuple of Josy/Maya/MC, if he pulls an "AL" level twist on those three, I think I'd be done with his products. There's no reason to go with a nuclear level twist in every drama game/story, specially one that's supposedly based on 80's/90's college comedies etc. There's nothing wrong with just having happy endings for all involved who chose the right options. But to take away player agency and just destroy relationship to be "edgy" will just end up tanking his following.

I like the writing in both his projects so far, the characters are all well rounded and spoken, but falling back on a previously used (and controversial) twist/mechanic would only hurt him in the long run from a business standpoint.
Someone has to die in this game. Am I right :ROFLMAO:?
 

shazba

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I have to say, as a Maya fan (see icon/sig) and a fan of the throuple of Josy/Maya/MC, if he pulls an "AL" level twist on those three, I think I'd be done with his products. There's no reason to go with a nuclear level twist in every drama game/story, specially one that's supposedly based on 80's/90's college comedies etc. There's nothing wrong with just having happy endings for all involved who chose the right options. But to take away player agency and just destroy relationship to be "edgy" will just end up tanking his following.

I like the writing in both his projects so far, the characters are all well rounded and spoken, but falling back on a previously used (and controversial) twist/mechanic would only hurt him in the long run from a business standpoint.
My wife was done with GOT when Sean Bean died. Just think of all the other gut wrenching end of season twists she missed out on because of that attitude!

Remember Jill warned at the beginning that this game would make you angry and sad. We're not going to get out unscathed. I like it, it makes the games more memorable when it leaves you contemplating suicide for a week or two afterwards...
 

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Funny that everyone who knows AL is eagerly awaiting some shocking value behind the next door...

just to be indignant about it!!! :mad:
 
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Holy Bacchus

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Bacchus said it pretty well, it might well be too late for a good ending for anyone.. yup. Classic DPC. I called it a long time ago. Fanboys don't like it, but DPC has limited tricks in his quiver, and all of them serve to give us pain and heartbreak.
If there is a way, it is to pick one girl and stick with her all the way through and do not fuck up. That is the only way for a horrible but decent ending in AL, otherwise just horrible endings. I think the same will apply here.
AL didn't have any happy endings when you really think about it, because in all of them, someone died. So in every ending of this game, there's bound to be something sad and tragic before the end and it will be specific to that path or it will be universal, but one can only hold to the slightest sliver of hope that it won't be the death of a LI, even if you're not pursuing them anymore.

I have to say, as a Maya fan (see icon/sig) and a fan of the throuple of Josy/Maya/MC, if he pulls an "AL" level twist on those three, I think I'd be done with his products. There's no reason to go with a nuclear level twist in every drama game/story, specially one that's supposedly based on 80's/90's college comedies etc. There's nothing wrong with just having happy endings for all involved who chose the right options. But to take away player agency and just destroy relationship to be "edgy" will just end up tanking his following.

I like the writing in both his projects so far, the characters are all well rounded and spoken, but falling back on a previously used (and controversial) twist/mechanic would only hurt him in the long run from a business standpoint.
It's funny thinking about how they said that in a Q&A, yet this game couldn't be deviating further from that. If this truly was based on those kinds of movies, then the MC could be the campus man-whore with little consequence, the drama would be much, much milder, and there be more hope and optimism for good endings.

Right now, I'd say this is like Riverdale on streoids, and regular Riverdale is bad enough.

Acting Lessons kinda made sense with it but this is college for christ sake
Exactly, and he's only been at college for 3 weeks yet he's got at least 4 girls wanting to lock him down into a relationship. I didn't have my first college relationship until 5 months in and we actually started hanging out with a mutual group of people from about the 3rd or 4th day of starting. It took 3 months for me to realise I liked her that way and another 2 before we started going out. This game didn't have to take that long, but it's still happening way too fast.
 

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accusation for starting the fire maybe, but trespassing and vandalism still count, worst case mc will be expelled, hes not Chad to be given another chance, hes a freshman, a no name. of course this not will be a court battle, it wil be boring.

agree on how Jill react, just giving in right there and then.
or maybe we can get rid of him by asking his mom for help :p, he does tend to do everything for his mom.
on the other hand i would get dirt on his father and the students he has been banging, damaging his ego and reputation, and making him look like a fool seeing his dad aint so saintly as he believe he is.
and lastly, maybe Bella will come to our aid after having a chat with her in da near future, she did say she didnt liked tybalt.

well as ya can see, we got many ways, if not all to get rid of tybalt :p
 

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I get that we automatically get compressed versions for every game so this doesn't really matter, but 10gb uncompressed for a renpy game is just stupid
 
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It's funny thinking about how they said that in a Q&A, yet this game couldn't be deviating further from that. If this truly was based on those kinds of movies, then the MC could be the campus man-whore with little consequence, the drama would be much, much milder, and there be more hope and optisim for good endings.

Right now, I'd say this is like Riverdale on streoids, and regular Riverdale is bad enough.
Exactly, and he's only been at college for 3 weeks yet he's got at least 4 girls wanting to lock him down into a relationship.
I'm going to try to remain optimistic regarding this VN and potential endings, as I've said a few times, I liked the writing and characters/dialogue in AL, but I'll never replay it ever knowing that twist/ending it has. It really bummed me out, which I know is the point of the twist, but I don't play VN's to get stressed out and depressed. It's escapism I'm looking for, but if DPC takes advantage of players like that again I for one won't support any more projects. Once is fine, I can accept that, but when it becomes a constant gimmick, it wears thin.. quickly.



Please no.. :confused:
I know, I was only joking, if it weren't for Maya/Josy, Jill and/or Bella favorites of mine. I just always laugh when her character comes on screen and her eyes are *wide* open, unblinking... like she's a terminator or something.
 

Holy Bacchus

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propably next year, maybe a lesser update in between now and then, but well it seems it takes about 2 or 3 months to make a complete chapter, and perhaps a few updates in between.
The only updates in between would be bugfixes, and it will about 4-5 months for Ep 7.
 

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in the final od EP6 we see the teacher husband watching the sex video
i'm suspucting Rusty big time
and again i can't find the new scenes in the gallery i want to see if i skipped something
 
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