VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Sypher1976]

Does anyone know if the relationship points from each episode carry over to the next or do they get some kind of soft reset? After six episodes, I must have at least a dozen or more points with each of the LIs. If that's true, it would be a very lengthy process to drop back down to a level where an LI doesn't like you even if you are actively pursuing ways to piss them off via the dialogue choices.

I know DPC can and probably will block most LIs with a direct choice or simple either/or choice at some point, so I'm just wondering how important RP really is. The longer the game goes on, perhaps the less important RP will be since we have already established our preferred bonds.

All mine carried over from ep1 up to ep6.

 

[Deleted member 1993632]

I went to see her in the library but rejected/didn't make out in the sauna (I don't remember exactly what were the options) so it really surprised me that suddenly my character had sex with her (without letting me choose that he wasn't interested).

Did you stay with her at the end of episode 3? I THINK I kissed her at the library,but did not stayed with her nor had the sauna scene, so I'm hoping I can at least deny her help, but have not tried it yet.

 

[ename144]

Being meek is part of her characteristic because she is used to just believing what Tybalt said. When MC and Derek first broke into the mansion, she believed whatever Tybalt said happened. When she helped MC after the wedgie, she'd follow Tybalt soon after. When Tybalt showed up during the yoga in the park, she left MC and followed Tybalt again. When Tybalt called about the "fire at the mansion during the party", she believed that too. Even when she decided to confront Tybalt, she did it in a non-forceful ways. Commenting on rooster is easy because it's on text (and she even chose to just ignore Tybalt's other comments that Bella had to be the one telling him to stop bothering Jill). Asking Tybalt to not ban MC from entering the mansion because MC is her friend was done very politely too. All of those are consistent enough to show that she is meek. Note that being meek doesn't mean that she's only and always meek. As I mentioned previously, being meek is part of her character.

You seem to be confusing politeness with meekness. Jill is very polite, but she does not accept things people tell her without thought, nor does she abandon a course of action simply because she encounters difficulty.

She also isn't stupid. You list a lot of examples of her following Tybalt's lead, but in those cases she has no reason not to. After the wedgie, she was on her way to class. After yoga, Tybalt was offering to help her with a campaign she cared about. When Tybalt called about a fire in the mansion... there had been a fire in the mansion as far as any of the preps knew. Also... there was no downside to any of those actions, so I'm not sure what they would tell us about Jill's personality.

I disagree with your point here. I don't think Tybalt was playing both good cop and bad cop. I think Tybalt was clearly offering a transaction more in a "I scratch your back and you scratch mine" kind of deal.

Except that he wasn't simply offering to do something she'd like for something he'd like (the way Sage was when she asked the MC to spy on Chad). He gave her an ultimatum: stop seeing the MC or Tybalt sues. That at least is how Jill interpreted it:

In response to the bold part, Jill accepted that because that's the kind of character she is. If she goes to war against Tybalt, she knew that the outcome was simply MC on the losing side when sued because Tybalt has the money, contacts, power where MC could not win. She accepted the bad deal to protect MC.

It's not a question of going to war with Tybalt, it's a question of accepting an ultimatum from him without any apparent resistance on her part. As I said above, Jill recognizes what Tybalt is asking of her. I could accept Jill taking a bad deal for the MC's sake if there was any indication she was also trying to get out from under that deal. She's studying economics; surely she knows enough about contracts to understand leverage and renegotiation.

But there's absolutely no sign of that. She will decline to call the MC during her piano practice if they are just friends, saying she's not even going to tell him. If they had a spectacular date she tries to find a way to break up with him gently... but never seems to consider making it temporary (even after the MC confronts her and says he won't go along with it). She doesn't even ask the MC about whether the allegations are true until after he forces her to discuss the subject.

This is a very interesting point that I feel like it commonly occurs here (and probably other games too) where the players feel like a character should behave in a certain way. You said that "Jill just comes across really badly here" and I'm not agreeing or disagreeing about that comment, but what I want to ask to you is "Why can't Jill come across badly?". It's like your expectation is for Jill to be a perfect character the way you want her to be. What is exactly wrong with Jill having flaws? What is wrong with Jill making bad decision?

This is a game where pretty much all of the characters are bad. The librarian? Oh yeah she's married but she'd fuck this student. The HOT leader? Oh she's pissed that her boyfriend is cheating on her so she'd have a fuck buddy too. The co-worker at the shop before college starts? Oh she said she had a boyfriend who turned out to be a girlfriend. Your bestfriend's sister? She too said she had a boyfriend who turned out to be a girlfriend. Your gender studies teacher? She's married to a husband who fucked students so she too want to fuck a student but add roleplaying as mother/son to it. Her son? He's the asshole that tried to blackmail Jill. So how about Jill? Follow the trend and you'd know that she is nowhere near perfect.

Yes, flawed characters can be a good thing, though I think a lot of the flaws you listed are overstated.

But there's a big difference between a character having flaws and a character having flaws that seem inconsistent with that character's prior behavior. We seem to disagree on just how Jill was presented before, but I never saw her as someone inclined to take the path of least resistance. So I find it jarring that she insists upon doing so now, when the stakes are significantly higher and the options available to her are numerous (if not necessarily easy).

What I found interesting about Jill was that she WASN'T the meek princess stereotype. She had actual experience with the world and with people. She was willing to correct her peers when they stepped out of line rather than just assume she must have been at fault. She recognized Tybalt's efforts to woo her for what they were (even if she seems to have underestimated just how twisted the guy is). And she seemed quite able to stand up for herself when needed; she said she had sworn off dating prior to the MC, and I don't get the impression that was empty talk.

As I've said, I can believe Jill would give up on the MC for his own sake, but I do not think the situation as presented would be enough to make that happen. Thus the fact that it happened feels more like poor writing than good characterization.

 

[The Bush Diver]

Hey there fellow DIKs, just finished the playthrough with both affinities for the episode and want to show some of my views...

For starters, this thread is a non-stop one, so it's hard to keep up with everything =P

Well...Amazing update, no doubt about that. Lots of renders, new (and great) music, and it's a relief to see that this was a much bigger update than the last one.

Before the update, I was taking the chick affinity path as my main save, but the DIK affinity in this episode reaps some huge rewards...(Don't you guys love the sex scene with Quinn? I was thinking at some point, in Sandy's words, that she would "purr like a kitten" during the act...judging by the scene and for the phone messages, I believe that we are going for a very nice path with her in the next update....can't wait!)

I'm kinda getting a bit tired of the M&J path, my patience with Maya's issues is kinda starting to fade....that girl has to let it go and feel loose regarding the sex with the MC....maybe the next update may bring some good surprises, like a break between her and Josy?

Something quite frustrating was to have to choose between Jill and Sage....Judging by the consequences and knowing that if you pick Sage you'd be in for two AMAZING scenes with Nora (Oh Nora...I love you! Your first animation at the bar is a masterpiece! <3) and the threesome with Nicole and Sandy felt like a "go with Jill or be happy" kind of thing. I believe we're gonna get a HUGE reward in the future if we stick with Jill's path, and we better do, because this episode showed the sacrifice to be made to keep pursuing her...A very long sex scene with tons of animations and choices, the biggest of the game, is expected as compensation lol (especially after Nora)

I've seen people talking about it in the bits that I could read, and I do believe that the affinity system is not balanced at all. But on the other hand, I can see the game starting to shape itself based on it.

For now, I can say...I was happy with the chick affinity path, but I'm way more convinced now by the DIK path. I shall keep both saves anyway, so let's see what the future holds!

God bless you always, DPC!

PS: Quinn's sex scene is hardly going to get out of my head, amazing one. Nora, I love you! And Bella, oh Bella...let's see how this game goes, can't wait to have a proper sex scene with you (you're too hot for my patience to fade completely, although it is getting a bit tiring to just wait for the real scene....)

PS 2: What the bloody hell happened to Vinny?

 

[Lightaces]

Lily in this episode was incredible

I think Lily is one of the best girls in the game. Also, for all DPC wrote a line about her tits being fake, hers look less fake than most of the tits in the game (which, to be fair, is a Daz 3D issue more than anything).

 

[DavDR]

So we're having an argument over DNA and dominant eye color traits, but not over the fact people can't get a cold/flu/influenza from sitting in the cold rain all day.

Seriously?

Yup, no more surreal than a dozen other unrealistic tropes in DPC's 'Realistic' VN.

 

[Lightaces]

So we're having an argument over DNA and dominant eye color traits, but not over the fact people can't get a cold/flu/influenza from sitting in the cold rain all day.

No, but sitting in the cold rain CAN make you more susceptible to bacteria and viruses.

 

[Kellermann]

I think Lily is one of the best girls in the game. Also, for all DPC wrote a line about her tits being fake, hers look less fake than most of the tits in the game (which, to be fair, is a Daz 3D issue more than anything).

At first I thought Lily was just another generic blonde, a sort of throw away character that didn't interest me very much. Episode 6, however, made me a believer. I like the way Lily stood up to Quinn. I thought, hey she may not look very tough, but she's actually got some grit. Like most bullies, Quinn more or less backed down when she realized she had no power of intimidation. I've been waiting five episodes for someone to stick it to Quinn and now our hammer of vengeance has finally arrived.

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

but it isn't, and it has been always the case. 6 episode you know how the game works. right in the beginning you have to choose between Caty or Jade. You can't have it all in one run!!!!!. if it was just pure affinity system you will be bitchin anyway. "Why can't maya avilable wiht Dik affinity". "Why I cant Fuck Quinn as a Chick". etc etc etc
and if it's would be just relationship point hunting then everyone would just focus on that, max everything with everyone HAREM.

by certain path cross each other's or lock out each other ,DPC makes the game and a system easier for himself . that's why the library scene is a Crossroad, that was a turning point. ( since then I have dik affinity and Josy and Maya not dumped me yet, becasue I achived in that moment what I needed to put me on to this path.)
that decision put you into two different road

Just like in the DNG. If you seduce Quinn, or Moria if you insist . that decision put you in two different path, by fucking her you can't charm , Jill , Josy, and Maya. but you can every other side girl. See? Side girls vs Main girls.

certain Main girls are not locking each other out yet, but we are getting closer. ( like Bella vs J&M. I dont know. I'm not intrested in Bella, so she is not a treat, but I read something about it. )
But they start to lock out Side girls. at least , Jill, and J&M, are starting to lock out side girls. Envy, Jade, Quinn, Sarah.
and Sage is somewhere in the middle right now, She just broke up , She need time, and who know what will happen, I like her as a friend as a Fuck buddy , but may be she better as a more matured best friend type person.

I don't think anyone here is advocating for doing everything in every path, just that the roadblocks are not based on affinity but based con actions instead.

For example, in the library scene we could get an inner monologue from the MC saying that they refuse to be the third wheel of the relationship if they are DIK. Same result better justification ingame. Or a similar reasoning if DPC wants them to be the ones who break it, but now it just feels it's done because reasons.

reasonably cool MY ASS
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and You literally, Literally have to have Dik Affinity, to go further with her, IF this is not a Fucking Sign I dont know what it is to you!.
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there is nothing Inconsistent about a Quinn, who for fun Fuck with a neutral or chick MC , But do not TRUST Him ! , or accept help from him ! because She does not Care about HIM !! , He is just Fun to mess with !!

A DIK MC, Who use her prostitutes, Who is Dik enoug to ask something for free, who is chose to spend his money to Fuck her and Riona, instead of staying home with Maya. Yeah that is a Guy who is appeling to Quinn.
everything perfectly in her character. not a single inconsistency.

That's a good example, but a CHICK MC can also get her number and get the threesome. If that check was about getting the threesome and or the rooftop scene it would make even more sense.

Who said that? DPC seems to disagree
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The thing is then DPC should make that different affinity makes the MC act differently and not just saying that it does.

So, in this last update, it looks like Melanie is indeed Chad's lover and it seems the revelation is imminent. Some time ago I had dismissed this idea and shared it in an OT thread. Now, I'll share it here.

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I think everything you posted there is still valid and Melanie is a red herring. Melanie and Sarah are related to this for sure, but not in this way.

Believe me if both parents have brown eyes and neither grandfather has any other color, the odds are very very very low

Not really, if both parents have Brown-blue they would have brown eyes, but their children would have 50% of blue eyes.

 

[Julius Kingsley]

guys i need some Being a DIK wallpapers for my phone
Sage especially

 

[murphy88]

Can anyone tell me when is the date with Jill? I have the feeling that I'm about to finish the episode and I haven't had it yet, I don't know if I skipped it because of a bad choice, I'm just the day after celebrating my birthday with the diks

 

[Lightaces]

Can anyone tell me when is the date with Jill? I have the feeling that I'm about to finish the episode and I haven't had it yet, I don't know if I skipped it because of a bad choice, I'm just the day after celebrating my birthday with the diks

Go with her, not Sage, when you have the choice.

 

[RonWeasleyJr]

If we're having silly arguments, here's another:

As far as any of you are aware, do most real life colleges have policies about library employees fucking students?

Might not be a problem this semester, but if MC takes Bella's course in the Spring....

 

[Malicre]

James is 100% coming back, there is a reason DPC left that thread open. It would be too much a waste for him to actually be dead and you're going to see people screaming NTR when he gets back with Bella (even if only temporarily). Yall think this Jill blackmail drama is bad wait till you finally sleep with Bella then the next day her husband returns, then she sleeps with her husband........

Bella is going to be the Megan and Melissa of this game, not in the sense of picking and choosing but in the sense that her drama is going to be biblical, its going to trigger so many people.

 

[Pornerix]

Bella... someone please make me a real life copy of her! FUUUUCK

 

[Crystaldom]

Can anyone tell me when is the date with Jill? I have the feeling that I'm about to finish the episode and I haven't had it yet, I don't know if I skipped it because of a bad choice, I'm just the day after celebrating my birthday with the diks

Sounds like you are getting close to that part. It's the day after the DIKS party.

 

[Arigon]

James is 100% coming back, there is a reason DPC left that thread open. It would be too much a waste for him to actually be dead and you're going to see people screaming NTR when he gets back with Bella (even if only temporarily). Yall think this Jill blackmail drama is bad, wait till you finally sleep with Bella then the next day her husband returns, then she sleeps with her husband........

Bella is going to be the Megan and Melissa of this game, not in the sense of picking and choosing but in the sense that her drama is going to be biblical, its going to trigger so many people.

Yes..I have also called this many times. James will come back either during the sex scene with Bella, or in the morning while they are cuddling or drinking coffee.
I do not think Bella will take him back with open arms immediately. I think it will depend on if you have been too naughty that she can't ignore it. I think you will be ok if you were Chik route and you have ended things with M&J. I think either Jill will have to be set aside, or join in a new thruple. If you are DIK or neutral and still have Sage, and are playing with others, you will be told that she is dumping you for her husband. I also imagine there will be a chance to fight James physically. Either when he does something bad to Bella, or when he freaks out that you are having sex with his estranged wife. I think if you fight him when he comes home you will lose Bella. Better to just take the punches. Bella will sort that shit out very fast if you are deep enough in her heart. If James hits her though, and you kick his ass, that is a different story.

And fair warning to all my beloved haters, if DPC fucks this up with Bella like he did in AL with various LI, My Meltdown will be Epic, Biblical and Really eclipse everything else I have ever posted.

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[Kellermann]

If we're having silly arguments, here's another:

As far as any of you are aware, do most real life colleges have policies about library employees fucking students?

Might not be a problem this semester, but if MC takes Bella's course in the Spring....

People have been telling me this game will end before the spring semester. Regardless, I still think Bella is going to take over Cathy's classes. So yeah, it's going to be a problem for Bella one way or another.

 

[Derprod]

I for one would love to know more about her of all the rest of the girls. Seriously. Staring at those hypnotic eyes. Good plot btw, job well done.

 

[Malicre]

My Meltdown will be Epic, Biblical and Really eclipse everything else I have ever posted.

To be fair this is going to be 90% of Bella fans once her drama starts to unfold.