VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Kellermann]

I agree with you there, I'd choose to show compassion for both of them. But if Steve is guilty of sexual assault for touching Josey isn't Maya also guilty of sexual assault?

Yes.

 

[AchedCroissant]

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This one?

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What the hell is Jill doing with her hand? It's like she's grabbing something

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Thought experiment
Speaking of Steve, are the people who readily condemn Dad Maya willing to console Steve and essentially forgive him? Or do they reject him? Beyond being a douche to MC, Steve is guilty of sexual assault against Josy, but because he cries on the floor about mama and papa, he is now a person to be forgiven? It seems to me that Steve is just as guilty as Dad Maya, if not more. Dad Maya makes his daughter feel worthless, Steve sexually assaults his co-worker and tries to make MC feel worthless. One would think they are as least equally bad if not Steve more so. The CHICK choice is to console Steve even though he has done nothing to atone for his crime against Josy. Wouldn't the CHICK choice for Dad Maya haters be to forgive him as well at some point?

Being a DIK, I have the great pleasure of not having to forgive anyone and thus never having to worry about the hypocrisy.

Yes, but Steve isn't hitting rock bottom because he feels bad about his actions against Josy and MC. He simply feels bad for himself. He is thinking more of how his parents break up is affecting him than his parents. I don't think he had even a sliver of self reflection concerning his own behaviour over the summer. Now MC's olive branch may be the kindness he needs to change his ways, but we don't fully know that yet. The fact remains he is guilty of greater unrepentant crimes than Dad Maya yet he is a character people are more quick to forgive. Makes you wonder why that is.

I don't think the MC has forgiven Steve, and I wouldn't necessarily say that I would either in a similar situation. What it is for me is that it's simply seeing someone at a low point and extending that olive branch, being the bigger person and showing some human compassion to that person even if they perhaps don't deserve it. Yes, the reason why Steve is so upset does seem rather selfish, so that in itself doesn't exactly lend itself to feeling sorry for Steve or forgiving them for past actions, but by at least lending an ear and trying to console them, it could give them to pause to rethink their past actions and maybe they'll change and be apologetic if they meet again later.

With Maya's Dad, we haven't seen him at a low point and currently he seems very determined and set in his bigoted ways so it's easy and, I think, right to dislike him for this reason. At this point, he is like Steve from Ep 1; an entirely unpleasant character that you don't care to know or tolerate. If he too were to have such a moment of vulnerability, then perhaps an attempt could be made to talk with him, but the other key difference is that his issue stems from a deeply-rooted and ignorant intolerance based on flawed religious doctrine and that rises to a much higher level of dislike and disgust than someone just being a bit of a douche and a bully based on their own ego.

Fucking he'll how is this conversation still going on, it's just repetitive and boring now, new people jumping in and saying the same things that were said yesterday that lead to multiple posts getting deleted.

But to reiterate again because I love being dragged back in, Maya is a liar, and a manipulator. These are cold facts that not even her number one fans can deny.

And because of those character traits we don't know if she's telling the truth about dear old daddy.

There's a huge difference between lying in order to deliberately deceive, and omitting details in order to protect oneself and others from potential harm, be that physical or emotional.

The only true lie that Maya told was that she had a boyfriend, but as I've said numerous times, it's the same tactic women use all the time to rebuff the advances of men because they want to put them off being interested so they'll leave them alone. If they say it enough times it can become a reflex, and that's likely what happened here, but as Maya opens up to the MC, she starts to see him as someone she can trust and so she recants the lie as a likely first step to letting him in, but her walls are still up. She could have said she had a girlfriend, but at that point she didn't know if that was still true and she was still not at the stage where she could know for sure if he would accept her being gay, so this is the omission to protect herself from possible further rejection.

As for being a "manipulator", this word implies that she is purposefully manipulating others to do her her bidding, and that description seems to better fit Quinn than Maya. Maya can't "manipulate" the HOTs because she's not the one in control of this situation. That's like trying to say that someone is "manipulating" a bank by getting a loan from them to pay off their debts. In both situations, the person/group providing the assistance is a means to an end, but that is not a manipulative tactic on the side of the person seeking the assistance.

 

[Deleted member 6239]

One is a birthday date while the other is tending to a sick person. The choice should be obvious but I'm guessing that this choice will bite MC in the future. However I don't think that this would lock a relationship out.

If only MC was allowed to explain to Jill the real reason if he decided to visit Sage instead of simply stating he was busy.

But he did say to Jill that sorry I have to tend to a friend, she is sick. Something along those lines.

 

[ename144]

That's really shifting the moral responsibility. Maya made the decision to join the HOT's based upon a rumor that she would get free tuition. It was her intent to join strictly for monetary gain. She decided to use the HOT's, Quinn's behavior had nothing to do with it.

she made her decision to join the hots based on a rumour, not anything quinn told her. nevermind her stupidity for believing it in the first place, her singular reason for joining was incredibly disingenuous and when she didn't get what she wanted she freaked out like a child and (seemingly, i guess it's not 100% yet) abandoned the sorority. you're focusing on her leaving instead of why she joined, which was under false pretenses aka a lie. she was manipulating the sisters and situation for her personal gain. she didn't want to be a member.

What lie? Did Maya ever hide her distaste for the activities Quinn had her do? I'm pretty sure Maya's discomfort was most of the reason Quinn gave her those tasks in the first place.

I'm not seeing the manipulation here. Maya started the process on a rumor, but only continued when Quinn confirmed there WAS free tuition available. Moreover, she fulfilled her end of the bargain; it was the HOTs (since Quinn was acting in their capacity) who backed out.

You may disapprove of Maya's motivation, but taking advantage of an offer for atypical reasons isn't manipulation. You can disapprove of Maya's gullibility, but that's nearly the opposite of proving Maya is some sort of con woman. You can disapprove of how Maya responded, but that's still no indication that she's delusional or deliberately slandering her father.

 

[duningtwo]

isn't Maya also guilty of sexual assault?

more evidence to her discredit. she woke up what appears to be her only friend at college (before josy shows up) by dry-humping him, again in pursuit of a free ride. the same guy she warned off while draping herself all over him during movie night. the same guy she made promise to always be 100% honest with her before refusing to tell him what her problem is, or that she has a girlfriend.

 

[AchedCroissant]

Fucking hell how is this conversation still going on, it's just repetitive and boring now, new people jumping in and saying the same things that were said yesterday that lead to multiple posts getting deleted.

But to reiterate again because I love being dragged back in, Maya is a liar, and a manipulator. These are cold facts that not even her number one fans can deny.

And because of those character traits we don't know if she's telling the truth about dear old daddy.

How annoying you are, I hope Isabella kills Quinn soon so that you get out of here and stop distilling your senseless hatred of Maya

 

[Holy Bacchus]

linear or choice based ?

A little of both. There are lots of choices that change certain things along the way, but the story follows a relatively linear track. It's like you're on a train journey from A to B, but along the way you get to choose how you spend your time during that journey, and at a certain point you'll be able to get off that train and choose if you want to get on a train bound for points C, D, E, F, etc.

 

[DavDR]

What lie? Did Maya ever hide her distaste for the activities Quinn had her do? I'm pretty sure Maya's discomfort was most of the reason Quinn gave her those tasks in the first place.

I'm not seeing the manipulation here. Maya started the process on a rumor, but only continued when Quinn confirmed there WAS free tuition available. Moreover, she fulfilled her end of the bargain; it was the HOTs (since Quinn was acting in their capacity) who backed out.

You may disapprove of Maya's motivation, but taking advantage of an offer for atypical reasons isn't manipulation. You can disapprove of Maya's gullibility, but that's nearly the opposite of proving Maya is some sort of con woman. You can disapprove of how Maya responded, but that's still no indication that she's delusional or deliberately slandering her father.

You really don't understand intent? Maya made the decision to join the HOT's, even though she held them in contempt. Before Quinn's scavenger hunt list, before even the confirmation of the rumor, Maya decided to use the HOT's to get get money.

 

[Hesteros]

But he did say to Jill that sorry I have to tend to a friend, she is sick. Something along those lines.

He did? Iirc he simply said that he needed to be somewhere else. Oh well I guess I can revisit the scene. Haven't done the Sage playthrough in months.

 

[playa2]

A little of both. There are lots of choices that change certain things along the way, but the story follows a relatively linear track. It's like you're on a train journey from A to B, but along the way you get to choose how you spend your time during that journey, and at a certain point you'll be able to get off that train and choose if you want to get on a train bound for points C, D, E, F, etc.

thank you

 

[Kellermann]

more evidence to her discredit. she woke up what appears to be her only friend at college (before josy shows up) by dry-humping him, again in pursuit of a free ride. the same guy she warned off while draping herself all over him during movie night. the same guy she made promise to always be 100% honest with her before refusing to tell him what her problem is, or that she has a girlfriend.

I'm not calling for her arrest or anything like that, I'm just applying some logic. It's all just a fun but meaningless thought experiment anyway. I just enjoy the Socratic method because it exposes the individual's reasoning behind their beliefs.

 

[Digga D]

How annoying you are, I hope Isabella kills Quinn soon so that you get out of here and stop distilling your senseless hatred of Maya

Wishing death upon someone’s favourite girl because he was spitting facts is just pathetic

 

[Holy Bacchus]

You really don't understand intent? Maya made the decision to join the HOT's, even though she held them in contempt. Before Quinn's scavenger hunt list, before even the confirmation of the rumor, Maya decided to use the HOT's to get get money.

I hold banks in contempt for their often shady practices, but if they're the best and most convenient option I have to get a loan to pay off a debt, then I'll have to go to them.

 

[Deleted member 6239]

He did? Iirc he simply said that he needed to be somewhere else. Oh well I guess I can revisit the scene. Haven't done the Sage playthrough in months.

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[duningtwo]

What lie? Did Maya ever hide her distaste for the activities Quinn had her do? I'm pretty sure Maya's discomfort was most of the reason Quinn gave her those tasks in the first place.

her scavenger hunt list is irrelevant to the topic, dunno why you brought it up.

I'm not seeing the manipulation here. Maya started the process on a rumor, but only continued when Quinn confirmed there WAS free tuition available. Moreover, she fulfilled her end of the bargain; it was the HOTs (since Quinn was acting in their capacity) who backed out.

is the function of a sorority to hand out tens of thousands of dollars to new members? because that's why maya joined. if you don't see why that's dishonest then i can't explain it to you. quinn didn't confirm free tuition, she didn't spread the rumour, she was pissed that it exists. sure, she egged maya on, quinn's dishonest too, but she also told her she'd be earning it on her back. maya fulfilled nothing, she didn't fuck anybody for money, which is the situation even if she's still partly in the dark about it, and if you didn't help her with her list then she cheated on it (lying, albeit certainly justifiable).

I'm not calling for her arrest or anything like that, I'm just applying some logic. It's all just a fun but meaningless thought experiment anyway. I just enjoy the Socratic method because it exposes the individual's reasoning behind their beliefs.

sure, just pointing out more of her dishonest hypocracy.

 

[shazba]

One is a birthday date while the other is tending to a sick person. The choice should be obvious but I'm guessing that this choice will bite MC in the future. However I don't think that this would lock a relationship out.

If only MC was allowed to explain to Jill the real reason if he decided to visit Sage instead of simply stating he was busy.

But he did say to Jill that sorry I have to tend to a friend, she is sick. Something along those lines.

He did? Iirc he simply said that he needed to be somewhere else. Oh well I guess I can revisit the scene. Haven't done the Sage playthrough in months.

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[AchedCroissant]

Wishing death upon someone’s favourite girl because he was spitting facts is just pathetic

Pathetic is what he does, he says that he is tired of the same issues, then he goes and says the same old thing about Maya that it is not the first time he does it, so what is pathetic?

We better leave this here, since the mods already gave me 6 days in the gulap

 

[shazba]

...quinn didn't confirm free tuition, she didn't spread the rumour...

You know, something about that conversation between Quinn and Riona makes me think Quinn did spread the rumor...

 

[AchedCroissant]

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As a result of this it was that I began to create routes separately