VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[brichouse]

How Quinn reacts to MC is currently not correlated to his treatment of her. It only matters if he used her services as a madame, whether he has generally douchy attitude, had sex with her on the roof and isn't in a relationship with Josy and Maya. He might have treated her like shit through every turn, and it still wouldn't make a difference.

But... that's... not entirely true. I basically never "used her services as a madame." The event that triggers her path is the rooftop sex, and I don't even think MC has to be "generally douch[e]y" to get the rooftop scene.

And even if she's doing this for someone else's sake, that's still not an excuse to hurt people. And yeah, some would argue if she's not dealing drugs, those people would buy from someone else, but that's where something called personal responsibility comes in. You can't excuse your own shitty behavior by saying 'the other guy does it too'. Not to mention her treatment of Maya gained her absolutely nothing other than making Maya miserable. The only conclusion I'm able to make here is she enjoys hurting people, so I don't care if she needs comfort - she hasn't earned the right to any.

Literally nothing I said was about excusing her behavior. I said that the premise of your argument isn't necessarily true, which nothing in your reply refutes. You made an assumption that Quinn is only out for herself and asserted that, therefore, it's unrealistic for Quinn to have feelings for MC because she's apparently incapable of having feelings for anyone... Now you're talking about personal responsibility and what Quinn does/doesn't deserve, but that's not what I was talking about, so I'm v confused about how we got here???

 

[carlosrm]

Again, it's not about what's better or worse for her, it's about how fucked up it would be to out Chad for the sake of Sage's self-esteem.

Putting myself in Sage's shoes, cheating on me would hurt me, yeah. But I would understand or try to understand that this was his way of freeing himself, of coming out of the closet.
Sure, he could finish sooner and avoid cheating, but he didn't want to take that risk because he knew that Sage would look for the "guilty'' of that breakup.
Now, putting myself in MC's shoes, I would avoid telling Sage. It's not lying to her, it's simply avoiding saying something that won't change anything in her (because the relationship is already broken, whatever you do), but that could change Chad's life.

 

[brichouse]

Putting myself in Sage's shoes, cheating on me would hurt me, yeah. But I would understand or try to understand that this was his way of freeing himself, of coming out of the closet.
Sure, he could finish sooner and avoid cheating, but he didn't want to take that risk because he knew that Sage would look for the "guilty'' of that breakup.
Now, putting myself in MC's shoes, I would avoid telling Sage. It's not lying to her, it's simply avoiding saying something that won't change anything in her (because the relationship is already broken, whatever you do), but that could change Chad's life.

Wait, so are you now agreeing that MC shouldn't tell her? Before you were saying he should, right? Did I change your mind? Or have I just been confused this whole time?

 

[Canto Forte]

No, it would never be that. Relationships are not based on the bang ...
You are a human being towards those you pretend to care about, or not.

Putting myself in Sage's shoes, cheating on me would hurt me, yeah. But I would understand or try to understand that this was his way of freeing himself, of coming out of the closet.
Sure, he could finish sooner and avoid cheating, but he didn't want to take that risk because he knew that Sage would look for the "guilty'' of that breakup.
Now, putting myself in MC's shoes, I would avoid telling Sage. It's not lying to her, it's simply avoiding saying something that won't change anything in her (because the relationship is already broken, whatever you do), but that could change Chad's life.

That guy hurt Sage .. end of story!

 

[Canto Forte]

Wait a minute ... soooo .. the only reason the a%%hole came out is because some other a$$hole polished his nogin?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Putting myself in Sage's shoes, cheating on me would hurt me, yeah. But I would understand or try to understand that this was his way of freeing himself, of coming out of the closet.
Sure, he could finish sooner and avoid cheating, but he didn't want to take that risk because he knew that Sage would look for the "guilty'' of that breakup.
Now, putting myself in MC's shoes, I would avoid telling Sage. It's not lying to her, it's simply avoiding saying something that won't change anything in her (because the relationship is already broken, whatever you do), but that could change Chad's life.

Wait, so are you now agreeing that MC shouldn't tell her? Before you were saying he should, right? Did I change your mind? Or have I just been confused this whole time?

He deserves a ton of bricks !

 

[brichouse]

Wait a minute ... soooo .. the only reason the a%%hole came out is because some other a$$hole polished his nogin?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Uh... what are you talking about?
1. Chad isn't out at all.
2. Even if he was out, I'm not sure what's funny?
3. And I cannot reiterate this enough - Chad is not out.

No, it would never be that. Relationships are not based on the bang ...
You are a human being towards those you pretend to care about, or not.

Again, I'm just... confused. I don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Blades1138]

But... that's... not entirely true. I basically never "used her services as a madame." The event that triggers her path is the rooftop sex, and I don't even think MC has to be "generally douch[e]y" to get the rooftop scene.

You need to have DIK affinity for her path. That's what I'm referring to. Yeah, it can be achieved through several means, but the general implication is there.
You're right about not requiring to have used her services, I might have been mislead by something there.

 

[carlosrm]

Hi guys!
With the week long delay I managed to finish episode 7 and it was a freaking rollercoaster my dudes! One of the best episodes of BaDIK IMO <3

Can someone who has monitored the forums since the release tell me what are general impressions of the episode?
What people love/like and what people hate/dislike about the episode?

Also if someone could provide me with full list of scenes (because my MC missed many of them ) I would be really thankful

I finished the chapter today, and for me, it is the best episode I have seen so far. Starting with the animations that DPC has implemented. Because of the variety of interactions that took place, and the reflections that the MC gives us when he begins to narrate near the end. I have even felt identified with those reflections, and it has made me very sentimental and melancholic. Everything has been very good, I have no complaints, but I have fear. (if you followed the route of Josy and Maya) I have felt that they have brought us very close to Josy in this chapter, and I fear that it is the beginning of a great fall. That approach is not for nothing, I hope I'm wrong, but I think there could be a fight with Josy in future chapters.

 

[Canto Forte]

MC is Sages guilty pleasure. She is still the HOT in charge. Top bombshell.
The former top alpha bangs around, go figgure, ends up no more top alpha.
To top it all off, the guy is hurting Sage yet they both pretend to be an item.
MC thoughts are simple and just: You hurt Sage you get the stick!
No remorse! No pitty! No holding back!

Uh... what are you talking about?
1. Chad isn't out at all.
2. Even if he was out, I'm not sure what's funny?
3. And I cannot reiterate this enough - Chad is not out.



Again, I'm just... confused. I don't know what you're talking about.

You mean to tell us you favor Maya over Josy?

I finished the chapter today, and for me, it is the best episode I have seen so far. Starting with the animations that DPC has implemented. Because of the variety of interactions that took place, and the reflections that the MC gives us when he begins to narrate near the end. I have even felt identified with those reflections, and it has made me very sentimental and melancholic. Everything has been very good, I have no complaints, but I have fear. (if you followed the route of Josy and Maya) I have felt that they have brought us very close to Josy in this chapter, and I fear that it is the beginning of a great fall. That approach is not for nothing, I hope I'm wrong, but I think there could be a fight with Josy in future chapters.

 

[playcoc]

Hello can any one please help, I'm playing the android version of the game, but I can't find the mobile icon anywhere. How do I call josh, I'm at the starting of the game.

 

[KarloB1990]

He said he get tired with the game so he take a break until next year

With all due respect, after you used that mage of Stanley somehow I can't take your answer seriously

So, if I read it correctly, DPC is taking one week break?

You read it correctly. To be honest, the man deserves at least a week if not more.

One week break? That man deserves a whole holiday

 

[carlosrm]

You mean to tell us you favor Maya over Josy?

No, I prefer josy over maya, and over the other girls.
what I am trying to say is that in this chapter they have brought us very close to Josy and we know that when that happens, it is because they want to make us very fond of her, and then hit us.
Maybe in the next chapters, Josy will do things that MC will not like and end up distancing themselves.

 

[JamieSadistic]

Well, it sounds like your personal feelings are what's driving you to defend her here, exactly because you know people like her in real life. I certainly hope you're not making excuses for them as well though, because those kinds of people hurt others for real, not in a fictional setting.

I personally don't subscribe to the reasoning that good traits can excuse having a horrible side. If a world renown surgeon saves thousands of lives in his job, but turns out to be a pedophile and child rapist, does that make him a good person ? It is an extreme example, not meant to be a complete parallel, but Quinn is doing harm one way or another.
There's a saying that every villain is the hero of their own story, and while she may not be on the extreme end of things, she's definitely not a good person. Everyone has an excuse or reasons for their behavior, but a line has to be drawn somewhere as to what's acceptable and what's not.

We're discussing two completely different things here man. I understand what you're saying and I'm not trying to argue with you whether or not a shitty person's actions should be excused for their good qualities... how did we even get to this discussion?
I was trying to get you to understand that there's a reason for her behavior and MC being nice and trying to help her is changing her personality to be softer.

Plus, it seems like Quinn's had a shitty life and is used to being treated harshly; depending on the choices you make, MC doesn't treat her harshly. In fact, MC can be really, really kind to her. He treats her differently than most people do, and kind of pushes the boundaries she's set to keep people at a distance, which could definitely be enough to soften her sharp edges, which could lead to her developing feelings for him.

Thank you! This is what I was trying to say all along.

 

[ename144]

can u guys help me which scenes have i missed
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I never once said poor behavior can serve as a positive example to others. The MC/Quinn relationship is complicated at best but I'll explain my points to you. Up until MC came to campus, Quinn was basically the outcast.. somebody that didn't fit in with the rich kids that surrounded her. Enter MC...somebody who's from the same side of the proverbial tracks as she is, only raised differently. She sees him and how he acts as an alternative. Sort of like a light in the darkness sense. That explains why Quinn was quasi apologetic for stealing his clothes... we all know Quinn doesn't apologize, but with MC... it's different. Why? Why does Quinn treat MC differently than she treats literally everyone else?

She treats the MC differently because she's attracted to him, but most importantly because he validates her. Remember, she has no interest in MC's that don't do drugs, that show a tender side, or that stick with that self righteous bitch Maya [sic]. Even if such an MC is kind to Quinn, she isn't interested.

The way to Quinn's good side is to tell her everything she wants to hear and never challenge her faults. If you do that, she is willing to let the MC get close to her, but that's a far cry from Quinn being a more caring or open person (much less a better one).

 

[carlosrm]

Plus, it seems like Quinn's had a shitty life and is used to being treated harshly; depending on the choices you make, MC doesn't treat her harshly. In fact, MC can be really, really kind to her. He treats her differently than most people do, and kind of pushes the boundaries she's set to keep people at a distance, which could definitely be enough to soften her sharp edges, which could lead to her developing feelings for him.

Hopefully she doesn't develop an emotional dependency on MC.
That could be even worse than being evil

 

[brichouse]

Hopefully she doesn't develop an emotional dependency on MC.
That could be even worse than being evil

Hm, I don't see her as the type to end up doing that. I think, even if she were to fall for MC, she still seems like the kind of person who values independence, and obviously, emotional dependency on MC does not fit! Lol

 

[Blades1138]

We're discussing two completely different things here man. I understand what you're saying and I'm not trying to argue with you whether or not a shitty person's actions should be excused for their good qualities... how did we even get to this discussion?
I was trying to get you to understand that there's a reason for her behavior and MC being nice and trying to help her is changing her personality to be softer.

Why would you even argue about something like that. Everybody has reasons for what they do. Why would you bring it up if you didn't intend to argue they are mitigating circumstances ?

Furthermore what proof do you have that she's changing for the better ? Unless the Quinn + Maya scene is missing from the DIK path, there's none. Is there any indication of remorse on her part for anything she's done ? You're only judging by her different behavior towards MC, which is not indicative of anything other than some interest in him. Which is mainly because he has stuff in common with her, not the other way around.

The way to Quinn's good side is to tell her everything she wants to hear and never challenge her faults. If you do that, she is willing to let the MC get close to her, but that's a far cry from Quinn being a more caring or open person (much less a better one).

Exactly what I've been trying to say the entire time. Just because you're close to someone or they treat you better doesn't mean they are becoming better. I suspect that this relationship can be easily broken if MC switches to a chick path or does something she doesn't like.

 

[brichouse]

I was trying to get you to understand that there's a reason for her behavior and MC being nice and trying to help her is changing her personality to be softer.

I think there's definitely room for DPC to give Quinn a "personal growth" arc if DPC wants to. But, since Quinn isn't officially a main LI, I'm not sure if it'd ever happen. There's a lot about Quinn we don't know (her upbringing/life circumstances before she got to college, for example, could shed a lot of light on why she's the way she is/what she needs to realize/learn to become better). I'm against MC becoming a "fixer" that takes up making Quinn a better person as a project or something, but I can see a Quinn that's on the path with the MC who fixes her up when she's gotten beaten up and gets her to hold him in public potentially deciding for herself that she wants to be better/seeing the err of her ways. Whether or not that'd at least require a push from MC, I don't know. But since MC fixes a whole bunch of other shit, a push from MC would probably happen lol.

 

[carlosrm]

Hm, I don't see her as the type to end up doing that. I think, even if she were to fall for MC, she still seems like the kind of person who values independence, and obviously, emotional dependency on MC does not fit! Lol

Yes, but let's keep in mind, that she with MC feels good, she shows in her actions.
So what happens if MC decides to step aside? (obviously not now, but, in future chapters, having connected so much with her).
Two options:
1. Quinn pretends nothing happened
or
2. Fall into loneliness, or depression or something like that.
And knowing DPC, I wouldn't be surprised by the second option

 

[Sanjikun]

Just finished episode 7... What a freaking ending!!

WRITTING 100​

and that last frame... OMFG I did NOT see that coming!!!

Can't wait for episode 8!