VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[felicemastronzo]

Unfortunately a lot of the characters in this game have faults. Not irredeemable, but glaring.

• Jill is naïve, to the point that it is exasperating Bella. There are reasons for this other than "she's young". It seems her family has groomed her a specific way, with narrow margins for deviation. Her sister strayed and something terrible happened to her, probably resulting in Jill's parents doubling down on their control. So Jill has followed diligently in the path set before her, and is very inexperienced in other things. An now she has started to awaken sexually, she is painfully aware of her inexperience and afraid she will humiliate herself.
• Maya has also been sheltered her whole life, having had a zealous, controlling father. Up until recently is seems like she's the been the compliant child while Derek has run amok. This leaves Maya with underdeveloped coping skills as she hasn't had to do much for herself in the past.
• Bella has some unknown experience that has rendered her often frigid, conflicted and distressed. Her feelings have constantly interfered with the progression of her relationship with the mc. Although we can speculate, the details of her conflict are still very vague. The good thing about Bella (unlike Maya and Jill) is she has been resolving her issues through her own introspection, which is commendable.

Whatever the justification for a characters flaws, it doesn't mean that you have to like that character. Maya being a "damsel in distress" will result in a lot of players seeing her as someone they want to help, other will see her as a pain in the ass. Jill being a shy virgin will result in some players wanting to take it slow with her, others are losing interest. Bella being a slightly unhinged bombshell has some people melting for that crazy sex while other are afraid she might snap. Regardless as to how justified their characters may, or may not be, there's nothing wrong disliking them.

To me, the more we experience Maya and find out her flaws, the more annoying I find her. I find it funny that even Josy is expressing her annoyance in game. There's a reason why Maya sucks at all this (sheltered life, controlling father), but that doesn't mean we have to like it. But my annoyance with her is not resulting in my hating her scenes, I'm still happy for the mc to help her out, I just have less of an attraction to her (my initial impression of her, a hot, friendly babe, has been slowly eroded as her character becomes more apparent).

Regarding the other LIs:

• Josy doesn't have too many faults (maybe a little lacking in self confidence).
• Sage may profess to have emotional issues, but she seems to lead as the most well adjusted character (Josy a close second, others may even suggest she tops Sage due to Sage's clinging to Chad, but that's over now as well).

I think what's been achieved here is there should be at least one LI to fit the bill for most players.

• Bella: The sexy MILF (even if she isn't a mother) who needs a reawakening,
• Jill: The shy virgin who wants to take it slow,
• Sage: The outgoing, super sexual babe who basically just wants to fuck,
• Maya: The confused, damsel in distress that needs the mc to help her through her problems; and
• Josy: The sexy, girl-next-door who is both lustful and sweet.

I think a problem arises when people don't find all the girls to their liking (which is asking a lot really, they are all so different), and then they start getting annoyed by the flaws of the girls they aren't keen on.


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the flaws of the characters are never a problem, at least for me. and i have often said that the best quality of BADIK is precisely having LIs that do not in any way represent the ideal girl, and that on the whole they are all very complicated to approach.

even in real life i believe that our faults identify us much more than our good points. but there must be an awareness of the faults and a minimum of growth, at least a will to grow.

back to the stone of the scandal: Maya doesn't need to be ridiculed again (since everyone around is doing it a bit: her father, Quinn, the HOTs, Josy...)

 

[Laport Deminis]

I only mentioned Maya and Jill because they are the 2 most obvious and discussed examples,

Also, i will add one more thing about Jill. We call her stupid because that move has no rational sense, but what if it did had "irrational sense". Just think about it, she is always making "mistakes" to not advance her relationship with the MC, she even call herself stupid for that. What if she accepted the blackmail for the same reason, because she is afraid of the love of the MC and not of Tybalt's blackmail. I believe that the psyche can work that way.

I just have less of an attraction to her (my initial impression of her, a hot, friendly babe, has been slowly eroded as her character becomes more apparent).

Maybe that's one of the reasons of Maya dislike. At the start she is this beautifull girl you will share your room with, and we all thought: "Oh thats nice, easy sex every night", and yet we didnt got that exactly. And then we the trouple everyone thought: "Cool, easy threesome every night" and yet we didn't got that exactly.

 

[felicemastronzo]

No, you explain yourself well, i just wake up thinking in the loan issue and The Merchant of Venice, and used your post as an excuse for that. Who knows, maybe tomorrow i wake up with a different example for your specific point and use another guy answer to explain myself. There are strategy that you used when you are a slow thinker.
Also i wanted to highlight something i saw in different people and myself. Generally speaking we all will go more hard against a DPC than we will do against Shakespeare, because we will forgive the later what we will not to the first one. So, how can we trust our own or a different judgement?. Thoose are questions that i would love to answer and yet i can't.
For example, in The Merchant of Venice, Anthony will accept to sign that loan in thoose terms i told from a man he despice, and that hate him. The trap was clear, yet he accepted couse he thought he was going to be able to pay it. He didnt tried to ask to a different guy and he was also a man of business. We could easily say that, that move was beyond stupidity. And yet noone will say that Shakespeare is a bad writer, we will say something like: ""But he thought he was going to be able to pay it, he jsut had bad luck (a storm)", or even "It just a play, it doesn't matter, besides, did you see how good was Shylock's monologue?".
I saw a lot of that in Game of Thrones, people who decided to ignore some issues by season 4, complained about the same issues when where happening on season 8. It wass the same people and the same issues. So is not even subjectivity there, couse the subject is the same.

I, also thought about Sage, mostly as an argument against Sage fans/Maya haters, but you correctely anticipate my point.

I will say that once we accept that Maya's loan has sense, and Tybalt has ground for a lawsuit, then neither Maya and specially Jill plots are that stupid.
My grandmother (perfect 10 in highschool) was scamed by her sister by making her sign some paper she didnt read. I myself am not so clever in thoose issues. So for me it has sense that Maya felt for that trap. Even more i will not call her stupid, couse i know people who is way smart for some things and way stupid for others. You could also say that Maya by refusing to give her dad a key would already putting herself in a bad position with his father who would inmediately suspect something.
Jill is a little more hard one, but she is kind of stupid when it comes to this issues... i mean she is a virgin and a naive one, so at least is not out of character. If you are virgin at 21 (?) you have some psicological issues that are blocking you emotionally, and thoose kind of issues are not a joke. I met at least to people who couldnt went outside their homes for some time without having a panick attack. For me was completely irrational, imagine a 23 year old boy (and not a weak one or a coward one) who was afraid to walk in the streets in a beautifull summer day.
Yet is true that Bella point was quite obvious. but at least she can gain some time. Refusing to see the MC behind Tybalt's back on the other hand has less sense. I guess Tybalt was defenetely being stupid, trying to win Jill with blackmails, but he is kind of a cartoon and we men are defenetely stupid when it comes to sex, specially at that age.
Generally speaking if Covid pandemic tought me somethin is that you should never underestimate the human stupidity. I also like stupid people anyway.

Jill's case in my opinion is different: she's 2 chapters in that she lets herself be manipulated by Tybalt, while all the people important to her (Bella, MC but also Lana in her memories) tell her that Tybalt is deceiving her, that he's taking advantage of her. it's all in her hands

Jill's situation is more similar to Sage's, where she already has all the elements to wake up.

It's basically the opposite situation to Maya's, where everyone who knows about her problem believes it's actually a difficult problem to solve (even Sage at the end doesn't belittle him)

the fact that there are also stupid people in life does not change anything, their stories and their lives simply do not interest me, let alone LIs... I hope this is not the fate of the 5 girls

 

[Kame-Sennin]

Watering plants stupid mini game ever waste of time, I can't advance the game now because all the plants are wet and no way to undo it

 

[LoDoN-]

Maybe that's one of the reasons of Maya dislike. At the start she is this beautifull girl you will share your room with, and we all thought: "Oh thats nice, easy sex every night", and yet we didnt got that exactly. And then we the trouple everyone thought: "Cool, easy threesome every night" and yet we didn't got that exactly.

Don't even start man, WHERE ARE MY THREESOMES DPC, YOU CAN'T HAVE A TROUPLE IF YOU KEEP TWO OUT OF THE THREE ALWAYS APART!

 

[felicemastronzo]

I'm starting to worry about my ability to express myself or your level of madness... such a range of reactions is disturbing...

 

[shazba]

Jill's case in my opinion is different: she's 2 chapters in that she lets herself be manipulated by Tybalt, while all the people important to her (Bella, MC but also Lana in her memories) tell her that Tybalt is deceiving her, that he's taking advantage of her. it's all in her hands

Jill's situation is more similar to Sage's, where she already has all the elements to wake up.

It's basically the opposite situation to Maya's, where everyone who knows about her problem believes it's actually a difficult problem to solve (even Sage at the end doesn't belittle him)

the fact that there are also stupid people in life does not change anything, their stories and their lives simply do not interest me, let alone LIs... I hope this is not the fate of the 5 girls

One thing about Jill, while she is naïve at times and has made mistakes, is she is stubborn.

Obviously she admits to it outright and it's a bit of a in-joke she shares with the mc, but we see many examples of it too:

• When she was pushing and pushing that the mc should go to hospital, while that was her stubbornness, it was obviously her caring nature and I appreciated it.
• When she reported Chad's attack to the authorities it was her stubbornness (she knew she was going against the mc's wishes, but she had decided she knew what was best to do), but once again I understood why she was doing it, she felt the mc needed help.
• And even when she gave in to Tybalt's veiled blackmail, and she's stubbornly decided her way of doing things was the way to handle it, I can see why she might think it's the right thing to do and I can appreciate it (even if there's probably much better solutions).

But her stubbornness actually annoyed me when she dismissed the mc's assurance that sex isn't always gonna be perfect and could even be a regretful experience at times. I can't remember her exact response, it was something like, "Well I don't believe that...". At that point her stubbornness hit me and I actually thought, "You stubborn cow!"

Maybe that's one of the reasons of Maya dislike. At the start she is this beautifull girl you will share your room with, and we all thought: "Oh thats nice, easy sex every night", and yet we didnt got that exactly. And then we the trouple everyone thought: "Cool, easy threesome every night" and yet we didn't got that exactly.

I reckon this scene was the epitome of fun Maya, before she became all sad and shit.

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Just look at that ass, I reckon even a bullet would ricochet off it!

 

[Laport Deminis]

Don't even start man, WHERE ARE MY THREESOMES DPC, YOU CAN'T HAVE A TROUPLE IF YOU KEEP TWO OUT OF THE THREE ALWAYS APART!

I know man, is heartbreaking. But the part that truely broke my heart into small pieces was when Camila sayd: "I am not to much into spanking". That's just evilness right there. Or the worst real plot hole in this story.

 

[ChipLecsap]

the problem isn't whether MC tells Sage or not, the problem is that he doesn't even pose himself the problem

in the course of the game there are many moments in which mc wonders about his behavior, why isn't Quinn's blatant betrayal of Sage's trust a problem? even in the most faithful path possible to Sage, MC doesn't even pose the problem of warning Sage about the danger she' s running, then I'm ok with the fact that for narrative reasons he decides not to do anything, but he simply doesn't care, and if he's in a relationship with Quinn he doesn't care in either direction.

Well, there is like 4 possible way with Sage. Chick, Dik, Fuck Buddy , Not Fuck Buddy. What is the correct way to play we do not know yet .

Hear me out. We have the traditional, Chick vs Dik MC. We come to the conclusion that a Dik MC has no reason to tell Her assuming because HE using the girls himself. Dik MC may be also the Fuck Buddy path, so technically He has a stronger emotional connection to Sage, but then again, He more than likely use the girls of Quinn . - May be that should be the correct way of play with Sage. and that is how DPC assuming the player will take this path.

The Chick MC Not using, Quinn's girls, so technically aside from Quinn implying to him something, He really does not have evidence, or anything to back up this claim. and the top of that Chick MC is on the Not Fuck Buddy Path, so He does not have the stronger bond with Sage.

So why would He even bring it up, and Why would Sage believe him?! Up until Episode Seven, The Chick MC more or less was Not invested in Sage , and You still can say no to her as Chick.

Maybe this is How DPC interpret it. ?! .

The problem come from that must of us, does not really play as Meta Way .

To Me , The way I played, I was Chick, and Neutral, until like episode 6 when I ended up, being a Dik. Rejected, Quinn offer , I Fuck Buddy With Sage and however, still felt weird the 180 Turn, that He suddenly want something more , despite I was choose Jill over her , and the mean Time Josy is my Number one. - May be this is not the way the game should been played


- Ooh, look at this, beautiful colorful message from ME

 

[shazba]

Well, there is like 4 possible way with Sage. Chick, Dik, Fuck Buddy , Not Fuck Buddy. What is the correct way to play we do not know yet .

Hear me out. We have the traditional, Chick vs Dik MC. We come to the conclusion that a Dik MC has no reason to tell Her assuming because HE using the girls himself. Dik MC may be also the Fuck Buddy path, so technically He has a stronger emotional connection to Sage, but then again, He more than likely use the girls of Quinn . - May be that should be the correct way of play with Sage. and that is how DPC assuming the player will take this path.

The Chick MC Not using, Quinn's girls, so technically aside from Quinn implying to him something, He really does not have evidence, or anything to back up this claim. and the top of that Chick MC is on the Not Fuck Buddy Path, so He does not have the stronger bond with Sage.

So why would He even bring it up, and Why would Sage believe him?! Up until Episode Seven, The Chick MC more or less was Not invested in Sage , and You still can say no to her as Chick.

Maybe this is How DPC interpret it. ?! .

The problem come from that must of us, does not really play as Meta Way .

To Me , The way I played, I was Chick, and Neutral, until like episode 6 when I ended up, being a Dik. Rejected, Quinn offer , I Fuck Buddy With Sage and however, still felt weird the 180 Turn, that He suddenly want something more , despite I was choose Jill over her , and the mean Time Josy is my Number one. - May be this is not the way the game should been played


- Ooh, look at this, beautiful colorful message from ME

While reading that post I couldn't help but think of this scene:


In every play through I've done (except the very first run I ever did), I've always given Quinn's Restaurant my patronage. So I've never had to contemplate why my mc didn't tell anyone about Quinn's nefarious ways. The MC is Quinn's #1 client!

 

[LoDoN-]

In every play through I've done (except the very first run I ever did), I've always given Quinn's Restaurant my patronage. So I've never had to contemplate why my mc didn't tell anyone about Quinn's nefarious ways. The MC is Quinn's #1 client!

I'm pretty sure that's Tommy, but it is the MC that Quinn calls when the end of the month approaches and the budget is not balanced.

 

[The Pink Royce]

Yeah, other than the Jill and Madame scenes that's the only one I couldn't/didn't unlock completely. If I'm on a Josy-Maya game how could I say no to her. That's just evil.

i havent been to Madame yet . i kind of forget about her and give up VIP for mansion $$
(this time i'll finish it 100% before breakfast - i never do)

I'm starting to worry about my ability to express myself or your level of madness... such a range of reactions is disturbing...

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we just wanted to be unique , its not you - it's us . sorry

 

[ChipLecsap]

if they were on bad terms they wouldn't have gone, you don't go to the party of someone you think has wronged you.

in my opinion just as a group it's all behind them, the DIKs know it was Quinn who should have warned them and didn't, it's also possible that Sage talked to Rusty about it directly.
even Tommy and Quinn in their own way have cleared the air....

I don't think there will be this official apology moment.

I agree. and I think the Fact, that Sage The President of Hots Wanting to Spend the Big Halloween Party with the Diks , that pretty much confirm there is no Bad Blood between them
In fact, the only one who still hold some resentment is Tommy, and that is only aimed for Quinn and most of the Diks does not even know the reason for why.

 

[tiqoff]

Well, there is like 4 possible way with Sage. Chick, Dik, Fuck Buddy , Not Fuck Buddy. What is the correct way to play we do not know yet .

Hear me out. We have the traditional, Chick vs Dik MC. We come to the conclusion that a Dik MC has no reason to tell Her assuming because HE using the girls himself. Dik MC may be also the Fuck Buddy path, so technically He has a stronger emotional connection to Sage, but then again, He more than likely use the girls of Quinn . - May be that should be the correct way of play with Sage. and that is how DPC assuming the player will take this path.

The Chick MC Not using, Quinn's girls, so technically aside from Quinn implying to him something, He really does not have evidence, or anything to back up this claim. and the top of that Chick MC is on the Not Fuck Buddy Path, so He does not have the stronger bond with Sage.

So why would He even bring it up, and Why would Sage believe him?! Up until Episode Seven, The Chick MC more or less was Not invested in Sage , and You still can say no to her as Chick.

Maybe this is How DPC interpret it. ?! .

The problem come from that must of us, does not really play as Meta Way .

To Me , The way I played, I was Chick, and Neutral, until like episode 6 when I ended up, being a Dik. Rejected, Quinn offer , I Fuck Buddy With Sage and however, still felt weird the 180 Turn, that He suddenly want something more , despite I was choose Jill over her , and the mean Time Josy is my Number one. - May be this is not the way the game should been played


- Ooh, look at this, beautiful colorful message from ME

And what does Sage's path rly mean? Not to choose to fight for Jill in ep. 7 and doesn't stay with her in ep. 5 (or 4?).

 

[felicemastronzo]

Well, there is like 4 possible way with Sage. Chick, Dik, Fuck Buddy , Not Fuck Buddy. What is the correct way to play we do not know yet .

Hear me out. We have the traditional, Chick vs Dik MC. We come to the conclusion that a Dik MC has no reason to tell Her assuming because HE using the girls himself. Dik MC may be also the Fuck Buddy path, so technically He has a stronger emotional connection to Sage, but then again, He more than likely use the girls of Quinn . - May be that should be the correct way of play with Sage. and that is how DPC assuming the player will take this path.

The Chick MC Not using, Quinn's girls, so technically aside from Quinn implying to him something, He really does not have evidence, or anything to back up this claim. and the top of that Chick MC is on the Not Fuck Buddy Path, so He does not have the stronger bond with Sage.

So why would He even bring it up, and Why would Sage believe him?! Up until Episode Seven, The Chick MC more or less was Not invested in Sage , and You still can say no to her as Chick.

Maybe this is How DPC interpret it. ?! .

The problem come from that must of us, does not really play as Meta Way .

To Me , The way I played, I was Chick, and Neutral, until like episode 6 when I ended up, being a Dik. Rejected, Quinn offer , I Fuck Buddy With Sage and however, still felt weird the 180 Turn, that He suddenly want something more , despite I was choose Jill over her , and the mean Time Josy is my Number one. - May be this is not the way the game should been played


- Ooh, look at this, beautiful colorful message from ME

let's simplify:
whatever the affinity and relationships, MC can warn Maya about Quinn, no evidence or convenience matters (being a customer at the restaurant I don't think would be appreciated by any LIs), simply there is a danger and Mc tries to warn Maya (in a limited way but better than nothing)

why should it be so different with Sage? when we warn a friend we don't need to have proofs, evidences, we simply want to avoid a danger

either if they are fuckbuddy or otherwise the relationship with Sage is still carried on as a good friendship (then ruining it in the seventh chapter, but who can resist the sight of a puffy shorts? surely not Sage)

in case he's a customer at the restaurant, it's understandable that it's risky, but it's the same risk he takes telling Josy he's seeing Jill. why does it have to be any different with Sage?

for the plot, it obviously needs Sage to keep thinking that Quinn despite not obeying her orders, despite trying to convince Maya to accept the HOTs invitation by insulting her, despite promising free tuition, deep down is just a misunderstood still deserving of her full trust

ok, i accept it, but then what does it cost to make Mc at least reflect on the situation? like the reflection in chapter 6 on Jill looking at the picture. at least limited to the case where there is an interest for Sage

otherwise you get those grotesque situations with an MC who spends all his student loan money on hookers but then is annoyed by being the rebound guy, or doesn't accept to be Sage's fuckbuddy but then accepts to try a story with her anyway. all situations that kill the immedisimation, at least mine

already apparently being a customer at the restaurant makes one immune to guilt, Mc worries about every escapade but not about going to prostitutes... he's a modern guy

p.s. i am color blind, i see you inside, colors don't distract me

 

[ChipLecsap]

And what does Sage's path rly mean? Not to choose to fight for Jill in ep. 7 and doesn't stay with her in ep. 5 (or 4?).

Yeah pretty much. Sage path is the Fuck Buddy Path. It's start in episode 2, you choose to go to Sage after Josy arrive, the Host Movie Night which end up with Sex. Ep 5 mandatory Sex scene in Tyblat's bed , in ep 6 you pick her over Jill , and in this way, it's actually make sense if MC wants something more, despite his poor " I don't wanna be the rebound guy " argument , you still end up having sex with her.

The only "Problem" , so to speak, really came from if you only see Sage as a Fuck Buddy, which MC seems to be fine with in the beginning. "No attachment, I help you when you are horny but I don't care who else you Fuck".

That was their agreement, and MC was going around and making connection with Girls, like Jill and Josy etc , etc , . So , It's only does not make sense in the case of MC going out the birthday picnic with Jill, confess to her his feelings, , but in the next episode HE also want something more with Sage.

The thing is MC himself even thinking of what the fuck he is doing, getting attached with multiple girls, in my case Josy, Jill, Sage ( and other side girls ) . But we the player not really have a say in it , for example can't end the Fuck buddy relationship with Sage. at least not in this point, who know what ep 8 bring us.

 

[The Pink Royce]

Maybe that's one of the reasons of Maya dislike. At the start she is this beautifull girl you will share your room with, and we all thought: "Oh thats nice, easy sex every night", and yet we didnt got that exactly. And then we the trouple everyone thought: "Cool, easy threesome every night" and yet we didn't got that exactly.

Maya is so great on so many levels . i have no idea where to place her Sis , friend , gf .
(she's can be all those things for MC)

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even if MC friendzones her - Derek will comment that she wasnt fooling around
(and she'll burst to tears . very much like Josy)

Right before MC goes back home for date with Josy, Maya
stops him for a kiss and leaves with " have a pleasant date " - so she already
liked him .

and she clearly loves both MC and Josy (very unlike Josy)
when Josy moves out she's crying in the corner adn then looking at the empty bed

or when she explains how big (pun intended) it is for her to be horny for a guy
or having orgasm with a guy. or when she makes MC try near exact same position she did with Josy .
(she already called him a girl) . i feel like her brain will melt from overload trying to justify how can she be gay
and in love with MC same time .

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even if MC is a DIK she'll be there for him (for most part)

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this is actually the problem with the game for me . girls are over the top awesome makes it hard to
choose just one favourite

 

[AchedCroissant]

and the mean Time Josy is my Number one

Josy will be your first but your MC was seeing this photo

 

[ChipLecsap]

Josy will be your first but your MC was seeing this photo View attachment 1221764

That is the Game fault , for some reason the game prioritizing Jill above anyone. I guess thats answer who is DPC favorite character

 

[The Pink Royce]

Josy will be your first but your MC was seeing this photo View attachment 1221764

its a really nice photo "It captures her true beauty and that whipped cream is a lovely touch."