VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[felicemastronzo]

Mona served her purpose for now - so to speak. it can be considered as loose end, if we never meet again with her. But as of it right now she not important. did we really noticed her missing that much ? MC does not even noticed her missing until it was pointed out to him, and thats only happens if he visit Josy.

This is an another reason why it is hard to craft this story , because this also create some plot holes. WE the players see scenes, and have knowledge about things that MC does not have, and this type of storytelling often clash with each other. WE have questions that MC not even considering about. and these question will be only answered when MC catch up with the events.
this is why I personally more forgiving with the storytelling. Because this not the fully story yet.

I'm sorry if this is a " Facepalm " worthy point of view for some of you, but I can't judge the story properly until I see the finished product. This is why I not labeling it as a " Bad Writing".
but that is just me, may be I'm doing it wrong . If in the end of the story we dont get the answers we need to get, then yes I will admit the faults.

and I'm on the Ignore list of someone, why ?I didn't do anything wrong
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MC has little to do with it, in the end Mona is just another girl to him.

It's impressive how quickly Camilla forgets her, abandoning her to her destiny as soon as she becomes HOT.

for the other girls of the restaurant, in the end, whatever the reason, Mona's disappearance takes away a problem, but with Camilla they were inseparable

and in the same way I expect Sage, her mother, at some point to at least ask herself the question

for me it's not a problem of good or bad writing, but of lack of empathy, characters often act in a completely anaffective, psychotic, unexplainable way (like MC with the story of the reboung guy) and this worsens the gaming experience

 

[AchedCroissant]

Is Jill asian or half asian?

Half alien

 

[Deleted member 1497458]

too much stuff

If Quinn pressured her, it was Mona who decided to leave, at which point Burke cancelled the tuition in case he had to give it to some other girl later.
I don't believe in threats against her, of all the protagonists of the story the one who risks the most is Burke
but even without threats Mona's stay at the HOTs has become much less comfortable than it should have been.


if her tuition was withdrawn (which no one ever threatens her about, not even angry Quinn) then it was Mona's choice to leave.

It's broadly throughout the game that Mona was supposed to sleep with Burke to get the free tuition. 1) At the preps party Mona crying and Burke coming from same room.
2) I don't remember when it took place but Mona said to Quinn that she agreed to do younger guys but not older ones.
3) Burke didn't blackmail her but Quinn took the excuse of Burke's position to tell her what would Burke do if someone found out about a teacher sleeping with a girl then Burke at his position would do anything to harm her in anyway Mona tries to dispute it.

Quinn also at multiple occasions said that mona is handled and took care by her so she won't say a word to anyone.

Now that she said no to sleeping with Burke, removing her tuition and couldn't get her voice heard she had to leave.

Not necessarily. Tommy being distracted by Quinn fits it being her plan. The order of events is this;

1. Quinn and Tommy argue, Josy has to kiss Maya, Tommy storms off, Quinn follows him.
2. MC Makes out with Josy (or doesn't), during this time we don't know where Tommy, Quinn or Rusty are. We also get the gag with Arieth (I think)
3. Rusty storms out into the main room. MC check the cluck which is deleted the second after the MC comes out of the comments.
4. MC starts to look around. Because this can be done in any order we can presume from this point that locations are fixed.
5a. Mona is alone, she doesn't know where Camilla is, but suspects she is fucking
5b. Riona is by the Library
5c. Nick is in the Library
5d. Tommy is at the top of the stairs above his room.
5e. Rusty is in his room
6. We don't know where Quinn is.
6a. Camilla comes back and joins Mona.
7. Quinn, Tommy and Riona smoke on the roof.

Between Tommy leaving and Rusty coming out there is no reason to presume that Tommy hasn't gone to his room like the baby he is. In the meantime Quinn could be anywhere in that corridor, or Jamie's room, or on Jamie's deck or on Tommy's dance floor or just waiting in the stairwell for rusty to run past. Could Tommy be involved? Yes. Could it be Vinny and Nick? Yes, IMO this is the second most likely combination as it feels a little obvious to me. Between Nick being in the Library and his room not being trashed I think we are supposed to be suspicous of him.

You forgot John Boy, he told rusty was fucking someone probably since he heard moaning noises coming from his room.

Is Jill asian or half asian?

Race is a matter of ambiguity in game so don't ask.

 

[magaclaawe]

Race is a matter of ambiguity in game so don't ask.

How is that a matter of ambiguity? She cleary an Asian.

 

[AchedCroissant]

How is that a matter of ambiguity? She cleary an Asian.

What part of Asia do you mean? The western? because clearly the oriental she has nothing

 

[magaclaawe]

What part of Asia do you mean? The western? because clearly the oriental she has nothing

It doesn't really matter. I was just asking because i was not sure. To me she looks asian.

 

[ChipLecsap]

MC has little to do with it, in the end Mona is just another girl to him.

It's impressive how quickly Camilla forgets her, abandoning her to her destiny as soon as she becomes HOT.

for the other girls of the restaurant, in the end, whatever the reason, Mona's disappearance takes away a problem, but with Camilla they were inseparable

and in the same way I expect Sage, her mother, at some point to at least ask herself the question

for me it's not a problem of good or bad writing, but of lack of empathy, characters often act in a completely anaffective, psychotic, unexplainable way (like MC with the story of the reboung guy) and this worsens the gaming experience

this is the down side of DPC not being here, at least we could have a little bit more inside information that could help us understand some of this things more. I agree on that Mona might deserve a little bit more, at least a couple of more line Between Sage and Quinn, what could leave us with the conclusion that for Mona Sage can't do anything.
so out of 3 candidate, 1 is a lost cause, 1 changed her mind, and that leaves only Maya for Sage to do something about..and Since Maya has the advantage of being connected to the Main story, aka the Story of MC , She takes the priority over Mona, it's not fair to Mona, but she was a plot device. like Steve

 

[Kellermann]

It doesn't really matter. I was just asking because i was not sure. To me she looks asian.

I'm not seeing it. Maybe like AchedCroissant said, Jill could pass for west Asian like Uzbek or something but definitely not like any east Asian I ever saw growing up in HK.

this is the down side of DPC not being here, at least we could have a little bit more inside information that could help us understand some of this things more. I agree on that Mona might deserve a little bit more, at least a couple of more line Between Sage and Quinn, what could leave us with the conclusion that for Mona Sage can't do anything.
so out of 3 candidate, 1 is a lost cause, 1 changed her mind, and that leaves only Maya for Sage to do something about..and Since Maya has the advantage of being connected to the Main story, aka the Story of MC , She takes the priority over Mona, it's not fair to Mona, but she was a plot device. like Steve

I still hope to see Mona at least one more time. It really does feel like a slap in the face if her departure from the game world was so abrupt and final. Steve on the other hand is a plot device that I'm fine with being over. Don't care much about his story. That shitty summer job really felt like one. I was as happy to get out of there in game as I would be in real life. Now that Josy is gone, there is no reason for MC to return.

 

[AchedCroissant]

It doesn't really matter. I was just asking because i was not sure. To me she looks asian.

If it matters because they are different, Because I can mention that in the east are China, Korea (both) and Japan

And in the western Israel, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey. Asia is a large continent that covers a lot

 

[ChipLecsap]

I'm not seeing it. Maybe like AchedCroissant said, Jill could pass for west Asian like Uzbek or something but definitely not like any east Asian I ever saw growing up in HK.



I still hope to see Mona at least one more time. It really does feel like a slap in the face if her departure from the game world was so abrupt and final. Steve on the other hand is a plot device that I'm fine with being over. Don't care much about his story. That shitty summer job really felt like one. I was as happy to get out of there in game as I would be in real life. Now that Josy is gone, there is no reason for MC to return.

I'm sure She will return , once She will be important again, and what i mean is when it is Important for the MC . Every storyline will involve the MC one way or an another, and it will take priority when its important for the MC 's story.
may be even Steve return at one point, and how we behaved toward him could affect if he help us or not or something

 

[Kellermann]

I'm sure She will return , once She will be important again, and what i mean is when it is Important for the MC . Every storyline will involve the MC one way or an another, and it will take priority when its important for the MC 's story.
may be even Steve return at one point, and how we behaved toward him could affect whether he help us or not or something

Yeah Mona deserves better. And I'm not even being a DIK about it by wanting her to return just for lewd scenes. I legit want to see her one more time in game, even if just to chat with her once or to have Mona and Camila see each other again on screen.

 

[dalli_x]

Not necessarily. Tommy being distracted by Quinn fits it being her plan. The order of events is this;

1. Quinn and Tommy argue, Josy has to kiss Maya, Tommy storms off, Quinn follows him.
2. MC Makes out with Josy (or doesn't), during this time we don't know where Tommy, Quinn or Rusty are. We also get the gag with Arieth (I think)
3. Rusty storms out into the main room. MC check the cluck which is deleted the second after the MC comes out of the comments.
4. MC starts to look around. Because this can be done in any order we can presume from this point that locations are fixed.
5a. Mona is alone, she doesn't know where Camilla is, but suspects she is fucking
5b. Riona is by the Library
5c. Nick is in the Library
5d. Tommy is at the top of the stairs above his room.
5e. Rusty is in his room
6. We don't know where Quinn is.
6a. Camilla comes back and joins Mona.
7. Quinn, Tommy and Riona smoke on the roof.

Between Tommy leaving and Rusty coming out there is no reason to presume that Tommy hasn't gone to his room like the baby he is. In the meantime Quinn could be anywhere in that corridor, or Jamie's room, or on Jamie's deck or on Tommy's dance floor or just waiting in the stairwell for rusty to run past. Could Tommy be involved? Yes. Could it be Vinny and Nick? Yes, IMO this is the second most likely combination as it feels a little obvious to me. Between Nick being in the Library and his room not being trashed I think we are supposed to be suspicous of him.

But exactly that does devastate room of Nick exonerates him. Why would Vinny give the DIK's a reason to distrust Nick. That is so illogical.

On the other hand, Tommy is more than suspicious of Rusty's Cathy announcement. Do you know the saying, that a hit dog barks? Tommy attacks by threatening everyone involved. Attack is the best oath.

It is the same with Dawe. He also gets some pictures of Arieth getting fucked by the DIK's. Present yourself as a victim and you won't be suspected.

Guys this is standard in almost every crime story.

 

[dalli_x]

MC has little to do with it, in the end Mona is just another girl to him.

It's impressive how quickly Camilla forgets her, abandoning her to her destiny as soon as she becomes HOT.

for the other girls of the restaurant, in the end, whatever the reason, Mona's disappearance takes away a problem, but with Camilla they were inseparable

and in the same way I expect Sage, her mother, at some point to at least ask herself the question

for me it's not a problem of good or bad writing, but of lack of empathy, characters often act in a completely anaffective, psychotic, unexplainable way (like MC with the story of the reboung guy) and this worsens the gaming experience

Mona is part of Team Josy and Maya and she will be back as soon as the presidential question is settled at the HOT's and the DIK's.

Rusty will probably go and so will Tommy. Rusty because of Nicole. In the Pink Rose of EP4 he is looking out for his Nicole. Also, Rusty wants to be a good dad. And Tommy might have to leave because he has too much shit on his shoes. Leon's future is also uncertain. He seems to be a traitor. In EP6, Buddy and Rox talk about rats climbing up and down the walls of houses. In EP7, shortly after Josy had her Walk of Shame, Rusty and Tommy comb in and grin. Leon walked, making the cuckolded boyfriend sign while saying rats.

 

[Marley300]

It doesn't really matter. I was just asking because i was not sure. To me she looks asian.

Even though her personality is very stereotipical for asian women : Passive, submissive, shy and cute...
She's clearly an American WASP who comes from old money. The Royce name is European and her mother "Amelia" is not asian. The blue eyes is a dead giveaway...

And Jill is way too tall, she's probably a descendant from the Amazons.
But just to be clear I get your hesitation... She really does have Asian features... Maybe she's a quarter Asian !
Doesn't matter where she's from or even if she's an alien ! She's adorable

 

[ChipLecsap]

Yeah Mona deserves better. And I'm not even being a DIK about it by wanting her to return just for lewd scenes. I legit want to see her one more time in game, even if just to chat with her once or to have Mona and Camila see each other again on screen.

 

[ename144]

That's an extremely poor explanation, I´m afraid. I know most of the people here are fans of this game. I´m too (well, mostly... I´m playing right now the "CHIK" path with Jill and it´s cheesy as fuck. That scene of the picnic and the horses... ) but I think we shouldn´t always be so eager to justify the writer.

Mona doesn´t take the phone, so Sage doesn´t even care any more about her... She could, at least, talk with the HOTs that were close with her, try to understand why she left so suddenly after being accepted in the sorority, even try to talk with her family... But it´s all about Maya. Because it has to be, for plot purposes, even if it doesn´t make any sense. That part is extremely poorly written. It would only have some sense if the MC is not at all into Sage's path.

Just because we don't see it doesn't mean it isn't happening. Sage's interaction with Maya started because she saw Maya in the library and went to talk to her. That isn't possible with Mona because she left campus. Whatever efforts Sage has been making to reach out to Mona (or the other HOTs about Mona) are a lot less likely to be caught by the camera.

I do agree Sage Should be making those efforts, and it would have been good for her to ask Maya or Josy about Mona during their scenes just to illustrate that point. That said, there are also times when good writing requires sacrificing realism to keep the narrative focused. If Mona is not meant to be a major part of the story, we shouldn't keep talking about her (since that gives the false impression that she is important), even if it would make logical sense.

I'm not saying DPC has the perfect balance by any means, but it's not that far off. Mona has been mentioned a few times to make it clear her part in the story isn't forgotten without making a major deal of it. If we see evidence in Episode 8 that Sage has been trying to contact her (and/or talk to Cammy about her), I think all will be well.

Why Sage would be so eager to get involved into the life of the ex-lover of his lover? (again, Sage knows that the MC had a story with Maya if the MC goes to live with her after leaving Maya's room) Just because Maya leaving make the HOTs look bad? Poorly written.

It´s like the MC being suddenly best friend of Chad and helping him with his problems, in spite of the harm that did to Sage. Even if the writer forces the MC to forgive Maya and they have to be friends (something that, equally, is really poorly written. The fucking MC has to be a saint or something, forgiving so easily humiliations and lies from women he has been in love?), it´s really weird that the new romantic interest of the MC is so eager to trust, befriend and help the MC´s old romantic interest. The most I think about that scene of Sage being so nice and caring about Maya, someone that barely knows and has reasons to not to be so fond about, the worst it looks to me. Sage is also a saint, suddenly? And she knows how to get thousands of dollars for the tuition of students? Why she doesn´t help first Riona, Camila, or even the MC? The MC is going to have to get into debt to pay his own tuition... but Maya, the drama queen, is more important for Sage? Again, only makes (kind of) sense if the MC and Sage have cero relationship, like a "massive CHIK" gameplay.

As was pointed out, Maya is a big deal for Sage because she asked Sage for help and Sage ignored her. That's obviously going to weigh on Sage's mind after Maya storms off disgusted with the HOTs. Combine that with the fact Maya is here and Mona isn't and Sage's actions make plenty of sense to me.

Besides, just because she's offering to befriend Maya doesn't necessarily mean she's helping a romantic rival steal the MC. Until Maya's reveal at the end of Episode 7 (and possibly not even then, depending on what Maya told her), why would Sage assume clearing up Maya's anger with the HOTs would have any effect on her relationship with the MC?

All she knows at first is that Maya feels she was badly treated by the HOTs, and Sage was trying to get to the bottom of what happened. Once she learns the truth, I don't think she needs to be a "saint" to want to help a HOT sister out of a jam just because the two are interested in the same guy. It's not like either of them are his girlfriend yet, and we don't yet know just how much helping Maya will "cost" Sage. (And technically if Maya told Sage about Josy but not the throuple, it's even possible Sage thinks this will remove Maya as a rival for the MC's affections!)

To me, the situation with Sage is far better handled than the resolution to the Maya/Josy crisis back in Episode 4.

 

[always86]

You forgot John Boy, he told rusty was fucking someone probably since he heard moaning noises coming from his room.

I'll add that to the list (in my head)

But exactly that does not devastate room of Nick exonerates him. Why would Vinny give the DIK's a reason to distrust Nick. That is so illogical.

On the other hand, Tommy is more than suspicious of Rusty's Cathy announcement. Do you know the saying, that a hit dog barks? Tommy attacks by threatening everyone involved. Attack is the best oath.

It is the same with Dawe. He also gets some pictures of Arieth getting fucked by the DIK's. Present yourself as a victim and you won't be suspected.

Guys this is standard in almost every crime story.

There is a reason Nick's room goes untouched, it's either because he is involved, because he is being set-up, or because whoever did it likes him. The Alpha's could be setting him up. Seems a little to smart for them. Vinny on the other hand could either be working with him or not wanting to trash his friends room. Either way the house getting trashed and the Cathy cluck aren't necessarily connected. One could be Alpha's the other could be Vinny. Or Vinny and Quinn or Quinn and the Alpha's.

The problem with Dawes is yes he has a motive, but does he have the means or oppurtunity? I don't think so. Not only is he not smart enough to think a plan as subtle as this, it also doesnt explain why the safe is exposed. A) he wouldnt know where the safe is and B) If he just wants revenge then the cluck is a far better, less risky way of getting it than robbing them.

We know on the other hand that Quinn needs money. We know she has means, motive and oppurtunity. Tommy could have done it in a fit of rage, but why? It doesn't hurt Quinn. Yes maybe it get's him the role of president, but what how does that help him? Without Rusty and his money what good is the fraternity to Tommy. We already know he isn't willing to put the effort in (at this stage).

There

 

[`Ray`]

and I'm on the Ignore list of someone, why ?I didn't do anything wrong

...Really ! You are trying to steal my innocent pure girl and say that you didn't do anything wrong?! Shameless bastard...

JK You are a cool guy...But if I see you approaching my girl then I will fucking shoot you, got it?!

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And it's really weird to know that this many people here want Mona to come back, they want justice for her. The way people are standing up for her...not talking about the dick but the support...I wonder if they will do the same if something were to happen to Madame and Areith

 

[dalli_x]

Just because we don't see it doesn't mean it isn't happening. Sage's interaction with Maya started because she saw Maya in the library and went to talk to her. That isn't possible with Mona because she left campus. Whatever efforts Sage has been making to reach out to Mona (or the other HOTs about Mona) are a lot less likely to be caught by the camera.

I do agree Sage Should be making those efforts, and it would have been good for her to ask Maya or Josy about Mona during their scenes just to illustrate that point. That said, there are also times when good writing requires sacrificing realism to keep the narrative focused. If Mona is not meant to be a major part of the story, we shouldn't keep talking about her (since that gives the false impression that she is important), even if it would make logical sense.

I'm not saying DPC has the perfect balance by any means, but it's not that far off. Mona has been mentioned a few times to make it clear her part in the story isn't forgotten without making a major deal of it. If we see evidence in Episode 8 that Sage has been trying to contact her (and/or talk to Cammy about her), I think all will be well.


As was pointed out, Maya is a big deal for Sage because she asked Sage for help and Sage ignored her. That's obviously going to weigh on Sage's mind after Maya storms off disgusted with the HOTs. Combine that with the fact Maya is here and Mona isn't and Sage's actions make plenty of sense to me.

Besides, just because she's offering to befriend Maya doesn't necessarily mean she's helping a romantic rival steal the MC. Until Maya's reveal at the end of Episode 7 (and possibly not even then, depending on what Maya told her), why would Sage assume clearing up Maya's anger with the HOTs would have any effect on her relationship with the MC?

All she knows at first is that Maya feels she was badly treated by the HOTs, and Sage was trying to get to the bottom of what happened. Once she learns the truth, I don't think she needs to be a "saint" to want to help a HOT sister out of a jam just because the two are interested in the same guy. It's not like either of them are his girlfriend yet, and we don't yet know just how much helping Maya will "cost" Sage. (And technically if Maya told Sage about Josy but not the throuple, it's even possible Sage thinks this will remove Maya as a rival for the MC's affections!)

To me, the situation with Sage is far better handled than the resolution to the Maya/Josy crisis back in Episode 4.

I agree with you on almost everything except the EP4 thing. I think DPC wanted the story in EP4 to be exactly as it is. The MC decides if it's romantic or not. Nothing more, nothing less. If the MC goes on romantic, he should also behave so and not fuck everything that does not sit at 5 on the tree.

 

[dalli_x]

I'll add that to the list (in my head)



There is a reason Nick's room goes untouched, it's either because he is involved, because he is being set-up, or because whoever did it likes him. The Alpha's could be setting him up. Seems a little to smart for them. Vinny on the other hand could either be working with him or not wanting to trash his friends room. Either way the house getting trashed and the Cathy cluck aren't necessarily connected. One could be Alpha's the other could be Vinny. Or Vinny and Quinn or Quinn and the Alpha's.

The problem with Dawes is yes he has a motive, but does he have the means or oppurtunity? I don't think so. Not only is he not smart enough to think a plan as subtle as this, it also doesnt explain why the safe is exposed. A) he wouldnt know where the safe is and B) If he just wants revenge then the cluck is a far better, less risky way of getting it than robbing them.

We know on the other hand that Quinn needs money. We know she has means, motive and oppurtunity. Tommy could have done it in a fit of rage, but why? It doesn't hurt Quinn. Yes maybe it get's him the role of president, but what how does that help him? Without Rusty and his money what good is the fraternity to Tommy. We already know he isn't willing to put the effort in (at this stage).

There

Nick's room was not vandalized because of this, to cast suspicion on Nick.

Dawe is too stupid to come up with such a plan, I agree. That's why he's working with Quinn.

Tommy and Quinn aren't about the money in the safe. Quinn creates the Cathy Cluck plan to get the Alpha's out of the line of fire so she can go back to selling sugar pills to the Jocks. Tommy is more or less blackmailed by Quinn into bringing Josy along.