VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Kukipett]

The amount of time between updates is getting ridiculous. 6 months is looking likely for this episode. If that pace holds then we're looking at 2 years per season. The game is great, but I'm not sure it can hold my interest for another 4-6 years. And god help the people at the $30+ tiers - paying almost 200 bucks per episode. It's your money, do what you want, but that's absurd.

I'd rather DPC just tell a tight, well-crafted story and do away with some of the filler and non-sense. DnG, Mini-Games, Pack Quests, etc. They add development time, but don't add much to the story.

DPC already stated what is time consuming, it's animations. Making a lot of animation and rendering them in good quality needs a huge amount of time.
Ok you can do a quick a simple story with not much choices and make poor renders and simple animations and you can make short updates every month or even week as some other games, but the result is mostly crap anyway !
Here we have a game where each release gives a lot of very high quality content, so i have no problem waiting 6 month.

 

[Lostanddamned]

Agree with the first part but on the second.

Come on man, we all know that Magnar is DPC's self-insert character. I'll be damned if he doesn't give him the best ending.

 

[Lostanddamned]

DPC already stated what is time consuming, it's animations. Making a lot of animation and rendering them in good quality needs a huge amount of time.
Ok you can do a quick a simple story with not much choices and make poor renders and simple animations and you can make short updates every month or even week as some other games, but the result is mostly crap anyway !
Here we have a game where each release gives a lot of very high quality content, so i have no problem waiting 6 month.

But back in the day DPC had a goal of like 5k or whatever that literally said that when he hits that he's going to make sure that production time goes faster and the wait between episodes is going to be less.

But if he really tries to make each next episode bigger than the last, then we will go beyond the 6 month wait between updates and even worse, we'll probably get to a point where we get one update per year. I've said it before - if he really aims for 20 episodes, then this game will probably will be finished around 2026 or 2027, that's like 6 years from now. That's an awfully long time and I really doubt people are going to wait around and not lose interest in this by that point.

Or the worst of all, if DPC gets burnt out and starts taking time off or hell, even completely abandoning this project.

 

[Blades1138]

DPC already stated what is time consuming, it's animations. Making a lot of animation and rendering them in good quality needs a huge amount of time.
Ok you can do a quick a simple story with not much choices and make poor renders and simple animations and you can make short updates every month or even week as some other games, but the result is mostly crap anyway !
Here we have a game where each release gives a lot of very high quality content, so i have no problem waiting 6 month.

Am I the only one for whom the animations don't do much. In every single case there are clipping issues. On top of that, the repeatable nature of animations is just not that appealing to me. I'd rather have 5 more renders in different but well-done static positions, than 15 seconds of a meh loop, which can be replaced by a couple of renders for the same effect. Especially given the amount of effort animations take, it's just another bad trade-off.

Everything would have been different if there were additional developers. And while I understand the need for creative control, I just can't fathom the choices DPC is making in designing the game, with additional padding, grind and increasing use of animations, when he's the sole developer. It all seems like a bad trade-off for me as a player who, even for the game's faults, would like to finish it sooner, rather than later. On the other hand, as a creator it probably serves him better, since it extends the amount of time he can keep getting paid for this particular game. He's probably afraid that his next game would not be guaranteed the same success.

 

[Felicityskye]

But back in the day DPC had a goal of like 5k or whatever that literally said that when he hits that he's going to make sure that production time goes faster and the wait between episodes is going to be less.

But if he really tries to make each next episode bigger than the last, then we will go beyond the 6 month wait between updates and even worse, we'll probably get to a point where we get one update per year. I've said it before - if he really aims for 20 episodes, then this game will probably will be finished around 2026 or 2027, that's like 6 years from now. That's an awfully long time and I really doubt people are going to wait around and not lose interest in this by that point.

Or the worst of all, if DPC gets burnt out and starts taking time off or hell, even completely abandoning this project.

That's one of the problems amateur devs seem to run into. They want to make the next update even larger than the previous. As a consumer bigger updates are always nice but the tradeoff is more time is needed in development. Specially in DPC's situation where he wants to do everything solo instead of putting together a small team to help him alleviate some of the workflow. I can understand him wanting to do this solo. But if you go at it solo, the smart tradeoff that shouldn't be ignored is don't be too ambitious.

 

[Zirael Q]

What were the other options?

No need to see the other options. Even cock and ball torture with Tybalt would be more interesting, to be fair.

 

[JC23]

That's one of the problems amateur devs seem to run into. They want to make the next update even larger than the previous. As a consumer bigger updates are always nice but the tradeoff is more time is needed in development. Specially in DPC's situation where he wants to do everything solo instead of putting together a small team to help him alleviate some of the workflow. I can understand him wanting to do this solo. But if you go at it solo, the smart tradeoff that shouldn't be ignored is don't be too ambitious.

He really should hire a coder, at least. Allowing him/her to do some scripts at first, then more and more with each new scene/path.

He may even learn better coding from the coder.

 

[Isaneclownposey]

As long as quality doesn't dip, take as much time as you need is my thought process.

 

[Kellermann]

But back in the day DPC had a goal of like 5k or whatever that literally said that when he hits that he's going to make sure that production time goes faster and the wait between episodes is going to be less.

But if he really tries to make each next episode bigger than the last, then we will go beyond the 6 month wait between updates and even worse, we'll probably get to a point where we get one update per year. I've said it before - if he really aims for 20 episodes, then this game will probably will be finished around 2026 or 2027, that's like 6 years from now. That's an awfully long time and I really doubt people are going to wait around and not lose interest in this by that point.

Or the worst of all, if DPC gets burnt out and starts taking time off or hell, even completely abandoning this project.

I think people will ultimately stick with this game because it's a fun ride and we want to see how it ends, but I do believe that the burnout is real. Both for DPC and for the players. There are only so many years I can watch the same drunken, college antics. BaDIK is amazing, don't get me wrong, but at a certain point I tire of everything. Hard to imagine me having the same enthusiasm for classroom tests and whiskey shot mini-games in six years. And by then I'll have fucked Sage in every position in the Kama Sutra (and probably still not have a 5/5 ). Things could be a little stale in the bedroom by 2027. I'm already curious about what DPC's next project will be.

Am I the only one for whom the animations don't do much. In every single case there are clipping issues. On top of that, the repeatable nature of animations is just not that appealing to me. I'd rather have 5 more renders in different but well-done static positions, than 15 seconds of a meh loop, which can be replaced by a couple of renders for the same effect. Especially given the amount of effort animations take, it's just another bad trade-off.

Everything would have been different if there were additional developers. And while I understand the need for creative control, I just can't fathom the choices DPC is making in designing the game, with additional padding, grind and increasing use of animations, when he's the sole developer. It all seems like a bad trade-off for me as a player who, even for the game's faults, would like to finish it sooner, rather than later. On the other hand, as a creator it probably serves him better, since it extends the amount of time he can keep getting paid for this particular game. He's probably afraid that his next game would not be guaranteed the same success.

I'd prefer DPC not spend as much time on the non-lewd animations. The first few were interesting because they were new and DPC was stretching his legs with his upgraded equipment, but I don't really need to see animations for every time someone puts on a shirt. I quite like the static image nature of visual novels. Throw in some animated lewd scenes and I'm content...and so is my shitty laptop. I'm worried that by the final episode, BaDIK will require a supercomputer.

 

[dalli_x]

I do not know what you have. Soon Battlefield 2042 comes out and with that I have a game to bridge the update time of DPC.

 

[ChipLecsap]

if he really aims for 20 episodes, then this game will probably will be finished around 2026 or 2027, that's like 6 years from now. That's an awfully long time and I really doubt people are going to wait around and not lose interest in this by that point.

Or the worst of all, if DPC gets burnt out and starts taking time off or hell, even completely abandoning this project.

Seems to me this is more of a personal choice . You can't generalize this. Especially because, it's quite the opposite. There are plenty of things people stick with even if the quality is drop significantly. GoT 8 year, Walking dead 11 years. Bones 12 years. WoW almost 20 years. The new Mass Effect game is more than likely 3-4 years away from now and etc etc
Badik is essentially a tv show, like a netflix show or something. You wait a year for new episodes.
well, in this case 5 month so far, and I'm sure this won't be always the case . But I'm sure if he put out a shorted episode, people will bitch about that too.. Just like they did with episode 5 , because the length of episode 4 spoiled them. and When Episode 5 came out people noticed it was shorter. Even though it was very story driven

and I even doubt he gonna burn out. It is his fucking job. You think he is the only one who works 12 hour in a day?! , that is the bare minimum for many peoples in the word and they make less money than him, with much more harder work .

so, who care if its takes 6 year? I doubt this is the only thing in your life that make a reason to live for. .
And if I did not live long enough, then I fucking not lived long enough and that's all, big deal, it is what it is. But I'm not looking for the ending, I'm looking for the next episode. And as long as its entertain me I will stick with it. I stopped caring about Supernatural after season 5, but the show went go on without me for years. And there were people who still liked it .

Just my Humble opinion

 

[dalli_x]

Seems to me this is more of a personal choice . You can't generalize this. Especially because, it's quite the opposite. There are plenty of things people stick with even if the quality is drop significantly. GoT 8 year, Walking dead 11 years. Bones 12 years. WoW almost 20 years. The new Mass Effect game is more than likely 3-4 years away from now and etc etc
Badik is essentially a tv show, like a netflix show or something. You wait a year for new episodes.
well, in this case 5 month so far, and I'm sure this won't be always the case . But I'm sure if he put out a shorted episode, people will bitch about that too.. Just like they did with episode 5 , because the length of episode 4 spoiled them. and When Episode 5 came out people noticed it was shorter. Even though it was very story driven

and I even doubt he gonna burn out. It is his fucking job. You think he is the only one who works 12 hour in a day?! , that is the bare minimum for many peoples in the word and they make less money than him, with much more harder work .

so, who care if its takes 6 year? I doubt this is the only thing in your life that make a reason to live for. .
And if I did not live long enough, then I fucking not lived long enough and that's all, big deal, it is what it is. But I'm not looking for the ending, I'm looking for the next episode. And as long as its entertain me I will stick with it. I stopped caring about Supernatural after season 5, but the show went go on without me for years. And there were people who still liked it .

Just my Humble opinion

DPC will not burn out. That would only happen if he didn't enjoy creating new content, renders and animations. What DPC has imposed on itself is poistive stress and this is even healthy.

 

[kaleh]

6 months are really long time for this extremely funded game. your humble opinion is nonsense. because it can be done in 3 months as well. indeed quite qualified too. you gain too much money. its just money milking

 

[dalli_x]

6 months are really long time for this extremely funded game. your humble opinion is nonsense. because it can be done in 3 months as well. indeed quite qualified too. you gain too much money. its just money milking

You don't have to give money to DPC.

 

[ChipLecsap]

I do not know what you have. Soon Battlefield 2042 comes out and with that I have a game to bridge the update time of DPC.

Sadly my PC became old , and I'm in no poses of money to upgrade. But there is still plenty game, movie, tv show and other stuff I could spend the time with I'm just lazy , so I complain about the development time instead, just like anyone else.

I'd prefer DPC not spend as much time on the non-lewd animations. The first few were interesting because they were new and DPC was stretching his legs with his upgraded equipment, but I don't really need to see animations for every time someone puts on a shirt. I quite like the static image nature of visual novels. Throw in some animated lewd scenes and I'm content...and so is my shitty laptop. I'm worried that by the final episode, BaDIK will require a supercomputer.

Not to be Rude, but it's a personal problem for you . Kind of selfish also. .
overall all the system requirement wont just grow out of nowhere. The size can be a problem, but in reality today age, it is not. Cyberpunk was like 100 giga and they keep releasing updates that are 30 giga sometimes, I dont even know how Big the Cyberpunk right now .
But I can't be really an asshole just because my equipment can't run it

 

[ChipLecsap]

6 months are really long time for this extremely funded game. your humble opinion is nonsense. because it can be done in 3 months as well. indeed quite qualified too. you gain too much money. its just money milking

prove it smartass .

 

[Kellermann]

Sadly my PC became old , and I'm in no poses of money to upgrade. But there is still plenty game, move and other stuff I could spend the time with I'm just lazy , so I complain about the development time instead, just like anyone else.


Not to be Rude, but it's a personal problem for you . Kind of selfish also. .
overall all the system requirement wont just grow out of nowhere. The size can be a problem, but in reality today age, it is not. Cyberpunk was like 100 giga and they keep releasing updates that are 30 giga sometimes, I dont even know how Big the Cyberpunk right now .
But I can't be really an asshole just because my equipment can't run it

That really wasn't the point of my post. And selfish how? I have no control over the game.

 

[ChipLecsap]

That really wasn't the point of my post. And selfish how? I have no control over the game.

Selfish might not be the right word but I don't know to many english word.

 

[Hookers and cocaine]

Is kinda funny going to YT to download some songs from the OST and most of the comments being from people who also got there trough this game.

 

[seniorboop]

I'd rather DPC just tell a tight, well-crafted story and do away with some of the filler and non-sense. DnG, Mini-Games, Pack Quests, etc. They add development time, but don't add much to the story.

This man is preaching and it's not even Sunday yet

....and im here to yell amen for all of it