VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[dalli_x]

OK, in real life, Quinn probably would end up in prison. But that´s not the subject we are talking about. We are talking about what kind of person would bring more problems to her partner.

Both Quinn and Maya are the kind of person that will probably never be happy. I can imagine Sage being happy with Tremolo. I can imagine her going to the pharmacy wearing mini-skirt and fuck-me pumps to buy Viagra for Tremolo when they are in their 70s. I can imagine Josy being happy with Tremolo and their 4 children and 3 dogs in their suburban house. I can imagine Jill being happy with Tremolo in her mansion with horses, singing birds and pink unicorns. I can imagine Bella being happy with Tremolo, at least for some years, until age starts making a real dent in her while Tremolo is still young, and I can see her convincing him to leave and find a woman of his age to have children and a family. But I can´t imagine a happy ending, 10 or 15 years from now, with Quinn or Maya.

But, the day Quinn will get bored of a normal life with Tremolo, is not going to make Tremolo miserable. She will just go and move on with her life, leaving Tremolo free to do the same. Maya however, as good feminist, will always blame others for her problems, and therefore, will expect that others fix them for her. Her father, the HOTs, the society, Tremolo... It doesn´t matter. It´s imposible to make happy a person like that.

But don´t fool yourself thinking that Maya is naïve. She knows by instinct how to play her "victim cards" (I love that expression of Quinn) and manipulate others to help her. She has made Josy unhappy in a relationship that brings her more problems that happiness, even when Josy clearly finds someone more suitable for her and that could make her happier. She demanded from Tremolo total sincerity but was not sincere with him, used Tremolo for entering in the HOTs without caring about his feelings, and continues dragging him into her problems even if he´s dating other girls. Now she has dragged Sage into her problems too, and Sage will feel guilty when she´s no able to help her... She knows exactly what she´s doing. She will look at Tremolo with her puppy dog eyes, will cry a little, and will manipulate him to do whatever she wants he does for her. Its impossible that a relationship with a person like that, selfish and convinced that she´s not responsible of fixing her own problems, finishes in something different of a bad divorce.

I know what you mean. But your ideas have a bit of a catch in two ways. Even with Sage, Jill, Josy and Isabella, it won't rain pink and red candy every day. There will always be problems. Just like in real life.

With Quinn and Maya, things can be very different. Yes, they both have problems.

Quinn is making progress on an interpersonal level. That's clear to see. But the worst thing that could happen to Quinn has happened. Lily. Without Lily, Quinn would have been forced out of business sooner or later, which could have led to a positive development. But Lily revived Quinn's her business. As a result, the fuse was lit by two bombs. One bomb is named Vinny and the other Tommy. The Vinny bomb remains in place. Lily has switched her first supplier, Vinny, in favor of Quinn. Let's get this out there. Boooom. On the Tommy bomb, I still see clues that it could be defused. Either Tommy starts dealing for Vinny, or Tommy continues to be just a consumer and Vinny his supplier. Rusty once said to the MC that Tommy will not change for anyone. I think Rusty was wrong. There are two clues that lead me to this conclusion. A text message response from Tommy to the MC. It is about whether the MC can represent Tommy at the Pink Rose. My MC agrees because Tommy said: PLEASE. I had to laugh at Tommy's reply. "Fuck you. Thanks anyway." Delightful. But Tommy starts saying PLEASE and THANK YOU. The second clue is Heather. My MC replies to Heather that if she were his girlfriend, he would get her the jacket. Tommy finally gets up and gets Heather, albeit grumpily, his jacket. The change in Tommy has begun.

Now let's move on to Maya. What is Maya's fault, anyway? The only thing that really comes to mind is her initial naiveté. Maya's problems are not her own fault. She wanted to solve the problem with her father herself by joining the HOTs, which later turned out to be naive. But that's exactly why I don't like Quinn, or rather, I don't like people who take advantage of other people's naivety. That kind of thing makes me jump into a triangle. Triangle=DIK. Also, Maya is not playing the victim card as Quinn calls it. Maya is a victim of her father. He's withholding the money and wants Maya to end her relationship with Josy. He suddenly stands in Maya's room to control her. It doesn't matter if he has the room key or from whom he got it.
So that an 18-19 year old Maya is overwhelmed is actually no wonder. But Maya develops and starts to fight back. Does she need help? Yes. I mean, read through the conversation between Sage and Maya again. In EP9, Maya finally starts to shed her naivety. She's still on shaky ground, as they say. But you have friends who support you. Example EP9 dorm party. Maya learns from Becky that tuition is a HOT code and starts thinking about it. In my case, her Boyfriend the MC is there and catches her before she crashes again.

One last paragraph about the throuple. I've got you figured out, DPC!

EP7 Josy says to MC "you and me, both."
EP7 says MC to Maya "You and me ,both."
EP8 "You and me ,both." between Josy and Maya.
EP8 Maya's hand is already taken. The MC to Maya, this must be a happy princess and Maya replies, a princess and a prince. Well, little kids and drunks always tell the truth.

 

[TajaRrR]

Maya is not playing the victim card

I can agree with most of what you said but not this one.
She is playing victim card a lot, she is always searching someone to help her because her life is so hard and all but she herself is doing nothing to change that.
She always makes people around her to feel bad for her situation and eventually help her in anything she needs just like she did with Josy, Derek, fuckface, Sage.
All she has to do is face her father, he may not like that his daughter is lesbian but he would never end her education because of that, like this is so obvious.
My problem with her is that she doesn't take responsibility for herself.
She fucks something up then goes to her tower and waits for her knight in shining armor to slay the dragon and save her.

But I agree with what you said about Quinn and Tommy

 

[ciberma7865]

All she has to do is face her father, he may not like that his daughter is lesbian but he would never end her education because of that, like this is so obvious.

you should look at the number of teen becoming homeless because their sexuality or religion is not ok for their parent

 

[nyrek]

Thanks, your post gave me an idea why the MC needs to ask Jill out. Jill is a door opener.

Reasons for Jill's date:

1. The player wants Jill as LI either way. Career as a musician and rich in-laws.
2. If the MC is doing it just to spite Tybalt, the MC is hitting on the tennis teaching career. Jill found out at the first tennis match that the MC is not a beginner.
3. The MC is really interested in Jill, but she doesn't become a LI. Then a career as a musician could be waiting for him because he builds a good and stable friendship with Jill.

Many forget what the MC can say to Sage in EP1. No friends yet. I think that this is actually very important. Only with true and real friends, the MC will never be alone.

this was weak by the standards you got us used to. cmon, dalli, you can do better

 

[Pendrell]

There is a difference between liking a well crafted villain and still recognizing they are a villain and need to go down, and wanting them to have a happy ending after ruining so many lives. Quinn destroyed Mona and people still root for her. Most fans of the joker aren't rooting for him to win. He's a great villain. My daughter is 5, she's a huge fan of heath ledger's joker, but she understands that while he's a funny psychopathic murderer, he's still a psychopathic murderer and he needs to lose. Something a ton of people on this site don't seem to get about quinn. Liking a villain for being a good villain(while still understanding they are a villain) is very different from what people do with quinn. She needs to lose. She belongs in jail.

I don't think it's as simple as you suggest and the interpretation you're arguing for only makes sense in the context of a black and white moral view of the game. On such a view, you're right that Quinn would be a villain and we could expect her to get her comeuppance somewhere down the line. But the world of BaDIK is more complex than that: we've seen glimpses of Quinn's past and hints about her motivation; there are still gaps to fill in but I think we can already infer that she isn't just doing "bad" things for the sake of it and the character isn't just a cut-out villain. There is more going on, and that's what some players are latching onto. This is reflected in other areas of the game, too: the choices that the MC is faced with are often morally grey and there isn't a clearcut right and wrong - look at the choice to tell Sage about Chad, for example.

The other dimension to this is that DPC has deliberately developed Quinn as a romantic interest for an MC that follows her path. This is now beyond dispute. Where it goes from here is still open to speculation, but it's got to the point where for some players Quinn isn't just a sympathetic character, but a viable love interest as well, which adds to the interest in her. I also don't think there's anything particularly unusual about this kind of interest: the archetype of a seemingly cold hearted bad girl who warms up when the right guy comes along is a staple of literature and drama so it's no surprise it's popular among some players of this game too.

Finally I think you're wrong that people don't sometimes root for the villain to get away with it. They do. And it's a harmless attitude to take when there are no real life stakes involved.

 

[felicemastronzo]

It will be interesting for sure. On the Bella only path. Even Bella told naive Jill to date MC. For naive Jill, that is all she can think about...hey she has Bella's gold seal of approval. She is safe. She probably was unable to see a situation where Bella and MC could be together making the beast with two backs when again, Bella told her to date him....Jill felt confident that was the way to go...etc.
For naive Jill it is a huge shock as.... Bella is her "best friend" and she has feelings enough for MC to even put up with Taibalts BS in an effort to help MC.

I guess it is possible to repair that kind of damage of Jill and Bella's friendship but I don't know how. (I don't have all the answers...so...I don't know how). MC and Bella being together with a damaged Bella/Jill friendship will be interesting. Again, Jill is very naive and everyone has to stop what they are doing to wipe her nose and dry her tears. It is going to really suck.

I still think the Jill as an active shooter on campus scenario is a possibility.

already when there are the premises that something important can happen in reality almost nothing happens, let alone when it is specified that "it went better" than it could have gone as in this case

if you are not in Jill's path you have nothing to fear for Bella, and it can't be otherwise

there will be a scene of clarification with Bella and at the end Jill will bless her friend's newfound happiness, why should she be angry with Bella? after avoiding MC in the last 3 chapters (no picnic, no surprise visit to the PREPs, no invitation with her friends...) there is no point in any "serious" drama

at the most, it could happen that Jill would point out to Bella how it is not acceptable for a married woman to date someone else (if James is still alive), but this is a necessary step in Bella's path, if Jill points it out to her, it will change very little

we still don't know how Maya and Josy will take it (when Mc decides to eat with Sage they show some jealousy) but I don't think there is anything to worry about in this case either

 

[TajaRrR]

you should look at the number of teen becoming homeless because their sexuality or religion is not ok for their parent

I'm well aware of that, but I'm talking here about specific character in game, not real life person.
I know that this type of situation probably happened to a lot of teens in real life and will be happening because it's fucked up world we live in.

 

[DavDR]

you should look at the number of teen becoming homeless because their sexuality or religion is not ok for their parent

That really doesn't apply to Maya. She's an adult, she could get a job and do anything that she wants with her life. Or she could stand up to her Father and tell him to accept her as she is or get out of her life.

Also, I've been involved in doing volunteer work for the homeless for more than two decades now. You may want to re check your 'numbers'. The overwhelming majority of the homeless population fall into three categories, substance abusers, military veterans, and the mentally ill with substantial overlap in those groups.

 

[AchedCroissant]

In real life I'd agree, but this isn't real life, it's a game. It's like suggesting people that play GTA are psychos. It's just a game, with no consequences in real life.

Heaps of villains in stories are preferred to the protagonist(s):

• Dark Darth Vader (probably the number 1 example) - hehe, oops, thank you OFT, but yes Dark Helmet is another great villain.
• Hannibal Lector (did anyone care when he walked off into the sunset while Clarise was shitting herself)
• Dracula (too cool for school while Harker had a stick [or was that a stake] up his ass)
• Barbosa (mainly because Geoffrey Rush hammed him up so much)
• The Joker (personally not a big Heath fan myself, but I can't deny the love so many have for this character)
• Freddy Kruger (he makes killing kids seem so wholesome)
• Jason Voorhees (and this motherfucker had no personality at all)
• Pretty much every killer of teenagers in the slasher-style movies (maybe it's what they do, not who they are...)
• Keyser Söze (well, not anymore though, 'cause, you know...)
• Hans Landa (he was fucking awesome)
• and so on.

Sometimes the villain is so enjoyable you want them to succeed in their dastardly plans. In this case, we don't necessarily want Quinn to succeed in her plans, we just don't want her to die, and want to fuck her regularly.

And even so, most of those characters die, I don't know them all, but I do know the most famous ones, even the Joker dies depending on the Batman movie you are looking for and I speak of the animated ones

Jason and Freddy themselves are immortal and the movies have their names so they themselves are the movies, they die and revive, if someone sees these movies for the actors and not for Jason or Freddy they are doing something wrong

Barbosa my favorite pirate but below Davy Jones, he died or sacrificed himself for his daughter his redemption was good

 

[nyrek]

Tremolo should be able to make a guess...

he wasn't aware of sage being burkes' adopted daughter. I wouldn't count on that moron being able to make any guesses.

 

[AchedCroissant]

I'm well aware of that, but I'm talking here about specific character in game, not real life person.
I know that this type of situation probably happened to a lot of teens in real life and will be happening because it's fucked up world we live in.

And authors look for examples in real life to create characters

 

[TajaRrR]

And authors look for examples in real life to create characters

Even if we treat her like living person then she could do a lot of things in her current situation, like I said earlier, confront her father, find job or go straight to dean for help herself and talk about how her father treats her and find solution this way.

 

[dalli_x]

I can agree with most of what you said but not this one.
She is playing victim card a lot, she is always searching someone to help her because her life is so hard and all but she herself is doing nothing to change that.
She always makes people around her to feel bad for her situation and eventually help her in anything she needs just like she did with Josy, Derek, fuckface, Sage.
All she has to do is face her father, he may not like that his daughter is lesbian but he would never end her education because of that, like this is so obvious.
My problem with her is that she doesn't take responsibility for herself.
She fucks something up then goes to her tower and waits for her knight in shining armor to slay the dragon and save her.

But I agree with what you said about Quinn and Tommy

Different views and opinions are the essence of this thread.

I don't see it that way. Maya never once actively asked for help during the entire game. Maybe I missed something there, but I don't think so. Yes, Maya is offered help. But it's all done on a voluntary basis.

Josy helps her friend, of course. They have a relationship with each other. If you don't help each other in a relationship, then the relationship is over.

Derek is her brother. "Family comes first."

Sage has relied too much on Quinn and as a result has neglected her duties as president of the HOT's. Okay, I readily admit that Sage has enough problems of her own. She has to study for her dissertation, and the Chad thing is getting to her, too.

But above all that is the MC (fuckface). MC=main character=the player. So when the MC (fuckface) decides to help Maya, every single player decides to help her.

I'm going to come back to Sage one more time. Honestly. If it weren't for Josy and Maya, Sage would be my MC heart's choice. I think it's even better that DPC gave the MC a chance to help Sage, which makes her a really good friend to the MC. I also think that is the main reason Sage is helping Maya. With the MC, Sage has a friend, a relationship that she has probably never experienced with anyone and certainly not with a boy. My MC doesn't want Sage as a sex trophy. He is interested in her concerns, fears, worries, feelings, etc.... The MC gives Sage everything she got from her adoptive parents and probably no one else before. And that is exactly what she wants to give back and instinctively feels that Maya needs her help. That makes Sage a great character in my eyes. I'm curious to see if the three of them (Josy/Maya/MC) will thank her. I envision all three of them becoming Sage's fuck buddies.

 

[Dracodadark]

No, it would just add some ectoplasm...


Yeah, it's a bit disappointing that she's pigeonholed into having "anger issues". To me she comes across as a very human person. Most of her outbursts are funny, like when she shits it when he she finds out his mom is dead. And her reaction to finding she's being cheated on, Chad fucking deserves it.

So I didn't mind that she finds it hard to discuss her emotions, that's ok, but to me she's always seemed appropriately expressive:

• She teared up when the mc told her about his mom and dad and his birthday,
• She got angry when she got dumped by Chad,
• She was sincere when she talked to Maya about helping her,
• She get's frustrated when she's struggling with the G chord (she has no issues with the major D though)
• She laughs with the mc all the time; and
• She's horney... most of the time.

Basically she's like the characters from the Wizard of Oz; she already has all those emotions, she doesn't need to find them.

I agree on Sage she try’s to act tough and angry but really an I hate you is her way of saying I love and care about you.

 

[AchedCroissant]

Even if we treat her like living person then she could do a lot of things in her current situation, like I said earlier, confront her father, find job or go straight to dean for help herself and talk about how her father treats her and find solution this way.

Confront her father what a nice way to say it but not everyone can do it, not even Derek can do it

I have seen people who could never confront their parents, why would she?

You say it as if all people were the same

That she look for a job and ready everything solved

My parents never allowed to me have a job, until I got my college degree.they told me that the only thing I had to focus on was studying that they paid all my tuition my mother is a doctor and my father is a sailor, so I think they could easily afford what Maya can't.

My parents never gave me an ultimatum that they would stop paying for college for being gay

Then I ask you that I know that Maya and Josy give you shit because yesterday you made it clear,

It is better for her to prostitute herself with an old man who pays her everything or to seek help from the most important people in her life? Who are currently 3 Derek, Josy, MC and now Sage

Only 4 characters who know about her problems of the possible 30 that this game has

 

[ALSFF]

After Sage graduates, who can replace her as the leader of hot? Sege's concern for hot is visible to the naked eye. I think she cares about everyone in hot and can lead them, although she is also a little dependent on Quinn(

）.
After Sage graduated, is there such a person? I am anxious

 

[ciberma7865]

That really doesn't apply to Maya. She's an adult, she could get a job and do anything that she wants with her life. Or she could stand up to her Father and tell him to accept her as she is or get out of her life.

Also, I've been involved in doing volunteer work for the homeless for more than two decades now. You may want to re check your 'numbers'. The overwhelming majority of the homeless population fall into three categories, substance abusers, military veterans, and the mentally ill with substantial overlap in those groups.

So Maya stand up to her father and he get that he is a dick head, that he should love her no matter want ? Be serious : Maya is in a position where either she continue to deal with her abusive father or she refuse and found herself with debt and no home (cause no college). So she found herself drowning in the situation (cause she's a teen yeah legally she's an adult doesn't mean that at 19 you have what it take to face a situation like this one). I'm ok with the fact that you can dislike the way she act, but don't reduce Maya trouble to just dealing with Patrick and the situation would miraculously resolve herself.
Lastly I say 2+2=4 and you tell me 4<5 so I don't really see the correlation.

 

[DavDR]

Confront her father what a nice way to say it but not everyone can do it, not even Derek can do it

I have seen people who could never confront their parents, why would she?

You say it as if all people were the same

That she look for a job and ready everything solved

My parents never allowed to me have a job, until I got my college degree.they told me that the only thing I had to focus on was studying that they paid all my tuition my mother is a doctor and my father is a sailor, so I think they could easily afford what Maya can't.

My parents never gave me an ultimatum that they would stop paying for college for being gay

Then I ask you that I know that Maya and Josy give you shit because yesterday you made it clear,

It is better for her to prostitute herself with an old man who pays her everything or to seek help from the most important people in her life? Who are currently 3 Derek, Josy, MC and now Sage

Only 4 characters who know about her problems of the possible 30 that this game has

All Maya ever does is seek help from others, that was TajaRrR point. In game we've never seen her take steps on her own to solve her own problems.

 

[n0cn1l]

After Sage graduates, who can replace her as the leader of hot? Sege's concern for hot is visible to the naked eye. I think she cares about everyone in hot and can lead them, although she is also a little dependent on Quinn(

）.
After Sage graduated, is there such a person? I am anxious

Unless someone wants to be the president and fight for it the only option is quinn since she is the VP. I think elena could be a good leader she seems chill AF

 

[DavDR]

So Maya stand up to her father and he get that he is a dick head, that he should love her no matter want ? Be serious : Maya is in a position where either she continue to deal with her abusive father or she refuse and found herself with debt and no home (cause no college). So she found herself drowning in the situation (cause she's a teen yeah legally she's an adult doesn't mean that at 19 you have what it take to face a situation like this one). I'm ok with the fact that you can dislike the way she act, but don't reduce Maya trouble to just dealing with Patrick and the situation would miraculously resolve herself.
Lastly I say 2+2=4 and you tell me 4<5 so I don't really see the correlation.

I'm so sick of that excuse, there are teens all over the world that fend for themselves and deal with their own problems, in fact that's the norm for most of the world.