VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[spl00sh321]

I'm back to this game after a long time. It has so much content. How long the dev takes between each update?

5+ months

 

[DarkKiller]

Quinn has not yet completely crossed the line after which she can be considered a real bad person. She's definitely an antihero, she has questionable motives and actions, but she hasn't killed anyone yet. Yes, she behaves like a bitch with others, but that's not a crime.

Drug trafficking is a serious crime, but for some reason her first cocaine deal fell through. I believe this is done by Pink intentionally so as not to transfer Quinn to the final list of bad heroes. Prostitution is always a voluntary occupation, and the trade in light drugs (such as weed) in such a liberal country as the United States is not so scary.
Of course, she is now at a fork, a crossroads in which direction to go, and I hope that the player on her way will be able to influence her, dissuading her from a suicidal act.

What about that syringe scene with Tommy? She has dealt heavy drugs before, and regarding the prostitution, she's running the show so she's basically a pimp, just do a quick google search and see what kind of prison sentences those dudes usually get. Like I said, whether we think it's serious or not, the crimes she's committing are very serious in the US.

 

[PashafromRussia]

What about that syringe scene with Tommy? She has dealt heavy drugs before, and regarding the prostitution, she's running the show so she's basically a pimp, just do a quick google search and see what kind of prison sentences those dudes usually get. Like I said, whether we think it's serious or not, the crimes she's committing are very serious in the US.

The syringe scene was never mentioned afterwards. I think Pink ignores her altogether. I'm not sure about pimping. The real pimp could be Burke.

 

[DarkKiller]

The syringe scene was never mentioned afterwards. I think Pink ignores her altogether. I'm not sure about pimping. The real pimp could be Burke.

But that's typical DPC writing, write something, don't mention it for several episodes then bring it back later to bite you in the ass when you're least expecting it.
And it's not Burke who recruits and rallies up the girls, or puts them in their place when they start going off-script, even if he is the leader, Quinn is still an accomplice not a victim.

 

[PashafromRussia]

But that's typical DPC writing, write something, don't mention it for several episodes then bring it back later to bite you in the ass when you're least expecting it.
And it's not Burke who recruits and rallies up the girls, or puts them in their place when they start going off-script, even if he is the leader, Quinn is still an accomplice not a victim.

I'm not saying she's a victim. I'm just saying that she still has a chance to finish well, for example, by becoming a witness in court. She hasn't crossed the red line yet.

In general, I don't believe that Quinn will have any kind of happy ending. I'm more inclined to believe that MС will help her escape, she kisses him one last time and says "Goodbye, pervert." That would be quite touching. MС stays on campus for example with Riona. Maybe in a few years she finds him, but that would be too atypical for Quinn.

 

[NotEthan;P]

Plus the whole Free Tuition. That's all kinds of illegal dealings. Burke will have the big punishment for that (if there's no one above him), but Quinn is an accomplice as it's her who leads the girls to the free tuition. Basically Quinn has already crossed the line, at least in being a criminal that could go to prison for a few years if not more.

 

[vogelbeest]

but for some reason her first cocaine deal fell through

dissuading her from a suicidal act.

What about that syringe scene with Tommy?

The syringe scene was never mentioned afterwards. I think Pink ignores her altogether

I think we seriously need to consider the possibility Quinn at one point will atleast consider suicide...
The cocaine is still in her room...
We've seen a medical syringe, not the one-time throw away type...
We have reasons to assume her father might be dead...
We have reasons to assume he might have died of a cocaine overdose...
I think DPC just gave us a series of hints, spread over the story so far.
It's either that or atleast something like an overdose for someone...
The cocaine being kept is to specific to end just there...

 

[felicemastronzo]

Well, he can get that when his real grandfather dies too from an inheritance. There's no need to let poor Rusty's family die too!

but the problem for the inheritance is not Rusty, it's the fact that Lynette was in fact disinherited

the first check that came to Mc didn't shock him one bit, much less a car with air conditioning....

 

[vogelbeest]

Nah, his grandfather is perfectly capable of writing a will that excludes the MC entirely. Indeed, he's probably already done so.

but the problem for the inheritance is not Rusty, it's the fact that Lynette was in fact disinherited

Yeah, i agree but lets face it, if there is gonna be any big inheritance it's still more likely to come from his own grandfather then from a Burgmeister.
There's hints we get to meet people who are related to MC's mother's friends, so next step is meeting them and learning who is the grandfather.... We might eventually even meet him, he will get to know MC and he regrets his decisions, tadaaa!
Even if far fetched it's still more sensible then hoping to be related to a Burgmeister when there's absolutely zero storyline pointing in that direction.
And hell, for the fun of theories ; MC might even meet Gramps in the home for the elderly where the old sod decides to put MC in his will as sole heir, just to keep his lousy not worthy grandson he never seen from getting anything.... not knowing he is actually giving it to exactly that guy.

 

[NotEthan;P]

This is just speculation, but the whole cocaine deal feels as a personal thing for Quinn. With the flashback and how she reacts to the substance, it's seems very likely her father died (or something related) due to cocaine. That's why Quinn is so weary and pensive about it. The bad thing that may happen is that Quinn's business will likely fall, and then she will try it as a form of escapism. And it will be up for the MC and her friends to help her out of it before it's too late. And maybe through that, expose the whole corrupted system at B&R.

 

[Ilhares]

Quinn has not yet completely crossed the line after which she can be considered a real bad person. She's definitely an antihero, she has questionable motives and actions, but she hasn't killed anyone yet. Yes, she behaves like a bitch with others, but that's not a crime.

No. Quinn might be many things, but she is in no way an antihero. A character like that is often one working for good by doing 'bad' things. Batman and Blade actually fit the descriptor well, with the harm they do to 'clean up' the world.

Quinn is not on any angle of 'good' here. She is a madame to prostitutes, some of which she has certainly manipulated into the life to enrich herself. She is a drug dealer. She is, zero question, a villain in this story. It doesn't matter that she might fall for the MC. Kingpin fell in love, too. He's still a major fucking villain. It doesn't matter that Quinn hasn't killed somebody, murder is not the line in the sand for whether or not somebody is a bad person.

Even if she were to wind up on a court stand as witness against those she's involved with, that would not be out of goodness. She would 100% be doing it to lessen the consequences against herself. There's no 'hero' of any sort with Quinn, it's just layers of crime.

And a cute butt.

 

[DarkKiller]

No. Quinn might be many things, but she is in no way an antihero. A character like that is often one working for good by doing 'bad' things. Batman and Blade actually fit the descriptor well, with the harm they do to 'clean up' the world.

Quinn is not on any angle of 'good' here. She is a madame to prostitutes, some of which she has certainly manipulated into the life to enrich herself. She is a drug dealer. She is, zero question, a villain in this story. It doesn't matter that she might fall for the MC. Kingpin fell in love, too. He's still a major fucking villain. It doesn't matter that Quinn hasn't killed somebody, murder is not the line in the sand for whether or not somebody is a bad person.

Even if she were to wind up on a court stand as witness against those she's involved with, that would not be out of goodness. She would 100% be doing it to lessen the consequences against herself. There's no 'hero' of any sort with Quinn, it's just layers of crime.

And a cute butt.

Yep, and even bad people have feelings and do good things for the people they actually care about, so DPC can easily write relatable scenes and make fools fall for her left and right because he's a troll and loves this kind of shit .
She will be a very tragic character for sure.

 

[AchedCroissant]

And a cute butt.

 

[godkingxerxes]

I think we seriously need to consider the possibility Quinn at one point will atleast consider suicide...
The cocaine is still in her room...
We've seen a medical syringe, not the one-time throw away type...
We have reasons to assume her father might be dead...
We have reasons to assume he might have died of a cocaine overdose...
I think DPC just gave us a series of hints, spread over the story so far.
It's either that or atleast something like an overdose for someone...
The cocaine being kept is to specific to end just there...

Cocaine is for the Halloween party.

Lily will buy it off her for the Lily/Envy threesome.

 

[felicemastronzo]

No. Quinn might be many things, but she is in no way an antihero. A character like that is often one working for good by doing 'bad' things. Batman and Blade actually fit the descriptor well, with the harm they do to 'clean up' the world.

Quinn is not on any angle of 'good' here. She is a madame to prostitutes, some of which she has certainly manipulated into the life to enrich herself. She is a drug dealer. She is, zero question, a villain in this story. It doesn't matter that she might fall for the MC. Kingpin fell in love, too. He's still a major fucking villain. It doesn't matter that Quinn hasn't killed somebody, murder is not the line in the sand for whether or not somebody is a bad person.

Even if she were to wind up on a court stand as witness against those she's involved with, that would not be out of goodness. She would 100% be doing it to lessen the consequences against herself. There's no 'hero' of any sort with Quinn, it's just layers of crime.

And a cute butt.

99% is as you say.

but we can't say for sure, because her motivations are completely unknown. she doesn't seem to have set up all these circles to make the good life, on the contrary overall she seems to make a pretty miserable life (continuous work, no friends and no relationship...)

and the motivations make a big difference in the judgment of a character

consider that all this money is used to cure her father or to pay his ransom (completely random hypothesis..), wouldn't it give a completely different reading of the character?

Quinn doesn't sell drugs in front of schools to children, but she gets "young adults" who want to get high, she makes prostitutes out of girls who would do almost the same thing on their own... there are very few innocent people who have been misled.


more than the anti-hero, however, in my opinion, the most appropriate comparison is Wile E. Coyote, who is narratively the villain of the story, but because he always fails, he is forgiven and becomes the protagonist.

 

[walker188]

Quinn has not yet completely crossed the line after which she can be considered a real bad person. She's definitely an antihero, she has questionable motives and actions, but she hasn't killed anyone yet. Yes, she behaves like a bitch with others, but that's not a crime.
...

Quinn is no anti hero. Anti heroes are flawed people working for good the best they can. They are often reluctantly drawn in to the conflict. Quinn is the center of the conflict. She is either a villain, or a rarely seen anti villain, somewhere who works for good, but is clearly villainous or just not quite redeemable. Loki from MCU is probably a good example (post avengers). Hes' working for the good guys, hes doing good things, but hes never actually a good guy.

 

[dolfe67]

Quinn doesn't sell drugs in front of schools to children, but she gets "young adults" who want to get high, she makes prostitutes out of girls who would do almost the same thing on their own... there are very few innocent people who have been misled.

Yeah try that defense on your trial, the judge will appreciate. Don't find her excuses, you can like her but she's a deliquent

 

[felicemastronzo]

Yeah try that defense on your trial, the judge will appreciate. Don't find her excuses, you can like her but she's a deliquent

in front of a judge even Batman ends up right in the asylum....

fiction allows for more flexible judgments

 

[Ottoeight]

MC's knows his mother's name

Sorry, but he doesn't know. Everything tells that he never asked, he never met family and his dad never talked about family or old friends.

Damn, everybody in this game deals with family or relatives except MC. MC deals with no one except dad. And Dad never mentions anybody.

Even Zoey - who jumps in the wagon out of the blue after more than 3 fucking years of development - has family: we saw her mom, stepdad, grandma, and she mentions a cousin (or aunt).

MC? no one. His dad? no one.


Don't ask why: suspension of disbelief is the magic word.

 

[vogelbeest]

consider that all this money is used to cure her father or to pay his ransom (completely random hypothesis..), wouldn't it give a completely different reading of the character?

If any money she makes is for anything else then drugs, it's most likely for her mother, she is still being taken care of by Buddy.
But you're not gonna transform her into a Robin Hood either way, she's a survivor, she's doing what she's seen growing up.
The most you can get out of it is accepting she had bad role models, but that's no reason to make the same choices, it may be more understandable but she hasn't told Sage, so she knows it's wrong.... Quinn fans better hope for the redemption path.