VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[NebulousShooter]

How can you say that? No one in this thread does that

Just ask our mutual friend (You know who )

Maya is not stupid and selfish. She is naive, Introverted and has little life experience, which is due to the fact that her father Patrick forbade Maya to do anything. She was not even allowed to have a summer job.

Well, I am not implying anything, but she is blonde

 

[rj677]

Did not understand this arguing about the financials, nor the annoyance about the logistics of the Burke free tuition and the restaurant and the "fuck fuck fuck" ep8/"open the fucking door" Interlude scene that its all a big mess. Then it struck me, is it because people dont like Maya and the dislike bleeds over onto everything? Because Mayas effectively the catalyst for why Fuckface should care about it at all, and that all these scenes are the story we are reading due to her?

Stay with me, as I come in from left side with this: To me Sage was not sympathetic at all early on, pretty terrible really. The first few interactions in no particular order; demanding help for stolen goods, the help was stalking & spying, help and ill scratch your back if you scratch mine wink wink nudge nudge (heavily implied sexual favors). Red flags galore.
Shes not a good person at all while jealous and angry. Pretty damn bad actually. To be fair these flaws makes her quite lifelike and shes much better now though after she finally got rid of Chad in her head. Oh yeah, speaking of Chad, they were a couple and she cheated while he cheated as well. She did it out of spite and he did it due to homosexuality.

I ignore the cheating because I ignore the cheating with Josy/Maya as well when all is said and done. From the omniscient view of the player all of it is so minor and not really cheating (m&j had already died out due to no contact, s&d was a sham thing from the beginning so there was nothing to betray) Is there a difference there? (Some would say yes, very much so. But they only care about the one of em)

Its all flawed people, it makes interesting people, also known as good writing.

Coming back from the left side: Why is it impossible to extend goodwill to Maya for so many people when they apparently do it for Sage?

My bet its because being so isolated and controlled by a parent as Maya is, is too alien to the male audience that they cannot imagine reacting as Maya would, at all. Because shes a blond girl and obviously dumb huh. Add a side of "Why isnt she like Derek who turned out fine". And him people do like, hes carefree and a good dude. Like dudes are. Not a dumb Chick.

So, I return to the thread and to f95 for the first time in 5 months and I see that the talk of the thread is Maya and DPCs writting, so its nice to see that the thread didnt change in my absence .

And then I come across this post. A post defending Maya against people who "dont like her" (which is admirable and very well written might I had ), while essentially doing the exact same thing to Sage , who funnily enough seems to be the only character who is actually trying to help Maya ....

So, as a guy who mains Sage and doesnt like Maya, I see myself in the position to reply and to express my opinions.

First of all, I dont "HATE" Maya. I think that everyone has a type and Maya fulfills a type that players might want/like. However DPCs wrtting of the story, and incidentally Maya, made me dislike Maya as a character.

Maya fans usually have this delusion that everyone who "hates"/"dislikes" Maya do so because Maya rejected the MC in episode 4 or because Maya "cheated" with Josy or even because she lies to the MC. When in fact, the answer is WAY more simple than that: The initial problem, at least for me, was/is how the whole Maya story is being brought up to us the players, mainly the DIK players. The DIK MC behaves as a CHICK the whole episode 4 and then he is rejected purely because he is a DIK, no matter what choices you do before episode 4. But again, this wasnt enough for me to dislike her completely.

The nail in the coffin for me comes in the next episodes where Maya is constantly used as a Deus Ex Machina (ending of episode 6, when the MC literally drops everything, becomes superman and flies to Maya immediately in all possible paths. Or when my MC has to be Clark Kent and face Mayas father), where shes used as a way to start the DPC drama special, making me wonder sometimes who is the MC of this story? Maya or FuckFace? (To give props to DPC, this has become better in last 2 episodes because of the implementation of the hangouts mechanic, where I can actively choose who I want to see on my screen.)

Concluding, the problem isnt Maya, its the way that ALL THE MCs are always "story forced" right in the middle of MAYAs drama in exactly the same fashion (being in a relationship with her or not) to the point that I get chills on my spine everytime she appears on the screen

As to what you said about Sage, it clearly shows that you never really played her path or if you did you didnt pay close attention. Everyone in the lust triangle between MC, Sage and Chad is a cheater in almost the same amount of measure (altough for different reasons). But saying that Sage is "not a good person at all while jealous and angry. Pretty damn bad actually." and completely missing what Chads affair did to her mentally AND assuming that she fucks the MC just "out of spite"? Its your opinion and thank you for sharing it . Even though, I would say that you should play her path to understand some of the deeper meanings behind Sages actions

PS: Jesus, I have written a whole essay . I guess I missed writing here more than I thought

 

[ename144]

Maya's problem is that Maya doesn't want to solve her problems, but wants someone to do it for her. As I said, this is her character trait. She's so used to it that her father decides everything for her and doesn't even risk finding a job on her own, lol. And those who can help her do not understand anything about it. МС repaired the mansion and fucked chicks throughout season 2 (I would do the same in his place), and Josie seems to also care about her problems and parties in HOTs.

I don't think that's quite right. Maya did try to solve her problems with the free tuition. She was actively working to complete the Scavenger Hunt and does eventually do so. She is clearly willing to work to solve her problem. The problem is that she expects to solve the problem in one fell swoop and has ignored any other possible options. She's basically looking for get-rich-quick schemes rather than trying to build her wealth slowly.

It makes some sense given how Patrick raised her - indeed, I think you could say her covert defiance of his ultimatum is a bigger deal than it initially appears - but Maya is still suffering from her lack of experience.

Ironically, only Sage is really interested in solving her problems, whereas her closest people, such as Derek, MC and Josie literally don't care about her.
I do not know if it was done on purpose or by accident, but it suggests certain thoughts.

Yeah, this is more or less my primary complaint. Maya and Josy have been my top priority as a player since Episode 4 made clear both their situation and their feelings for the MC. I find it extremely frustrating that the MC frequently ignored their situation as much as possible throughout Season 2.

Hell, even in the wake of the crossroads, I'm still unsure the MC will consider them a priority going into Episode 9 thanks to DPC cutting to his lame cliffhanger before the MC discusses his decision with the girls.

With Maya, I think so she loves the MC too, despite the drama. The MC sends her a heart via text message and Maya sends him one back. This is actually in my playthrough the first real expression of love from the MC and from a LI for the MC.

Maya definitely has strong feelings for the MC, but it's hard to gauge exactly how strong when she's so desperate for any help. Personally, I'd put her and Sage a step behind Josy, but well ahead of Jill and Bella (and Quinn if you're wondering, with Zoey even farther back in last place).

Jill would be up there with Maya and Sage if not for her inane behavior leading up to her second date. If Jill is so superstitious that the MC tending to a sick friend is enough to permanently seal her branch, her feelings couldn't have been that strong to begin with. YMMV.

 

[fasdfaq123]

And no one talks about Quinn, the secret LI and her "broccoli" moments.

 

[OmenBR]

And no one talks about Quinn, the LI secrete and its "broccoli" moments.

I got saves for all paths but my main one is the "Others" path in case Quinn or Riona become LI's.
Quinns interactions with the MC are too cute.

 

[Deleted member 3041728]

I can't wait for the update where they all decide to do meth and become full blown meth heads while riding harleys.

 

[sixart]

With Maya, I think so she loves the MC too, despite the drama.

That's not the same thing dalli_x ... to love someone and to be IN LOVE with someone is quite differential feeling !

She is naive, Introverted and has little life experience, which is due to the fact that her father Patrick forbade Maya to do anything

Yeah... it's another " light " version of abuse People who judge her for this... well let's just say I wish them to go through the same rough experience Can be real eye opener...

I am stunned that at no point have I read that this is EXACTLY what she is doing at the end of Episode 8!

This is why you just stay calm and out of this shitstorm that people throw at each other... basically negating the reality that is happening right in front of their eyes I think they had something " else " in mind not realizing what's in front of them... Good call... but don't think this will make it stop... as this very example show folks here are not smarter than a fifth grader

But I sometimes wonder how many people here have actually played this game.

Most of them just tap CTRL and get on with it

the guy has put himself on a golden pedestal because of his adopted name and family wealth. He's a nobody who has just been given everything and pretends like he has improved it himself.

Happens to most spoiled little bitches... until life throws some punches at them... then the smoke and mirrors time is over and you can show just how much worth you actually carry within your blood

I mean no harm to Cathy now

So you mean harm normally to Cathy ?

Why is Stephen Burke so happy when he sees the video of Jade and the MC?

Because he's a fucking freak who enjoys this... no need to put much mind into it... this isn't really uncommon PLUS at the end of the day this is porn... so why wouldn't it be filled with freaks ?!

1. Maya gets a clean tuition bill. That gets Stephen positive press. What does Quinn say to Mona? A man like him would reverse the facts. (Mona lied to Maya for Quinn in EP6. Karma is a bitch).
2, If Stephen has seen the video, he will exploit it for himself. He will blackmail the MC. If the MC gives in to the blackmail, Maya will get her tuition and the MC will become Stephen and Jade's sex slave. (Karma is a bitch.)

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2 would be playing russian roulette for DPC... and he's the lone player in this game

Anyhow... Burke ( I think ) isn't such a bad guy many have depicted him here and whatever the conclusion of this tuition etappe will be he can't come out good at the end of this tunnel... truth has this trait it don't matter how deep you want to bury it... it will dig it's way up and when it does it will be ugly

I'm just curious what Cathy is doing

Carries on with her life... what else ? It does not necessarily mean we won't cross paths anymore... Oh yeah and she ain't gonna be lady Terminator even though she's a redhead

You know what else you can see in the picture? Jonah likes to drink strawberry daiquiri's.

Who else likes to drink strawberry daiquiri's? Josy.

WOW Sherlock just WOW ! Just how many people likes to drink strawberry daiquiri ? Oh my word... !

Did the MC maybe have another girlfriend between Zoey and the beginning of college? Could that be Emily?

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You don't stop at anything do you ? How the fuck do you bring these 2 together ???

How likely is an outcome she will get a scholarship with no strings attached?

I'd say VERY... it'll be Fuckface who bears all the backlash

I actually think they all love MC and don't believe it's really fair to rank them.

I agree on the ranking part... I cannot even fathom just WTF this ranking bullshit actually means...
Though it's just the same as at the very start ^ Love - In Love they are not the same...

 

[Skeltom]

Jill would be up there with Maya and Sage if not for her inane behavior leading up to her second date. If Jill is so superstitious that the MC tending to a sick friend is enough to permanently seal her branch, her feelings couldn't have been that strong to begin with. YMMV.

Yeah, I didn't care for that part either. It's not like it was some huge decision that completely changes the course of the game. Unless I'm mistaken though, that's not her cut off point. She makes a comment about it in her inner monologue after the MC says he wants to see her, "Then why haven't you shown it?". The cut of point seems to happen after that with your choice to fight for Jill. Or way before if you don't kiss her or take it further. I could be remembering wrong though.

 

[ename144]

Yeah, I didn't care for that part either. It's not like it was some huge decision that completely changes the course of the game. Unless I'm mistaken though, that's not her cut off point. She makes a comment about it in her inner monologue after the MC says he wants to see her, "Then why haven't you shown it?". The cut of point seems to happen after that with your choice to fight for Jill. Or way before if you don't kiss her or take it further. I could be remembering wrong though.

You're both right and wrong. Jill will cut you off if you tend to Sage instead of going with her on a picnic (you monster!), but she'll also cut you off if you don't fight for her after tennis. Or if you didn't make our with her at Bella's. Or if you have DIK Affinity at any of the major checkpoints. With Jill, nearly everything is a cutoff point.

But at least the other ones make a certain level of sense. Jill losing all interest in the MC just because she picked a time for her surprise picnic when he was busy really is a bridge too far in my book.

 

[SteveyP]

You're both right and wrong. Jill will cut you off if you tend to Sage instead of going with her on a picnic (you monster!), but she'll also cut you off if you don't fight for her after tennis. Or if you didn't make our with her at Bella's. Or if you have DIK Affinity at any of the major checkpoints. With Jill, nearly everything is a cutoff point.

But at least the other ones make a certain level of sense. Jill losing all interest in the MC just because she picked a time for her surprise picnic when he was busy really is a bridge too far in my book.

Honestly, I would say that any one missed "perfect boyfriend" check is taking it too far. I feel like it should be a cumulation of miss-steps. Like, I'm a chik, had great chemistry during the first date, went on your surprise date, and helped you with your recital. But I didn't climb your mansion in the middle of the night and now I'm not the guy for you? Kinda dumb in my opinion.

 

[BigBlueDude]

So, I return to the thread and to f95 for the first time in 5 months and I see that the talk of the thread is Maya and DPCs writting, so its nice to see that the thread didnt change in my absence .

And then I come across this post. A post defending Maya against people who "dont like her" (which is admirable and very well written might I had ), while essentially doing the exact same thing to Sage , who funnily enough seems to be the only character who is actually trying to help Maya ....

So, as a guy who mains Sage and doesnt like Maya, I see myself in the position to reply and to express my opinions.

First of all, I dont "HATE" Maya. I think that everyone has a type and Maya fulfills a type that players might want/like. However DPCs wrtting of the story, and incidentally Maya, made me dislike Maya as a character.

Maya fans usually have this delusion that everyone who "hates"/"dislikes" Maya do so because Maya rejected the MC in episode 4 or because Maya "cheated" with Josy or even because she lies to the MC. When in fact, the answer is WAY more simple than that: The initial problem, at least for me, was/is how the whole Maya story is being brought up to us the players, mainly the DIK players. The DIK MC behaves as a CHICK the whole episode 4 and then he is rejected purely because he is a DIK, no matter what choices you do before episode 4. But again, this wasnt enough for me to dislike her completely.

The nail in the coffin for me comes in the next episodes where Maya is constantly used as a Deus Ex Machina (ending of episode 6, when the MC literally drops everything, becomes superman and flies to Maya immediately in all possible paths. Or when my MC has to be Clark Kent and face Mayas father), where shes used as a way to start the DPC drama special, making me wonder sometimes who is the MC of this story? Maya or FuckFace? (To give props to DPC, this has become better in last 2 episodes because of the implementation of the hangouts mechanic, where I can actively choose who I want to see on my screen.)

Concluding, the problem isnt Maya, its the way that ALL THE MCs are always "story forced" right in the middle of MAYAs drama in exactly the same fashion (being in a relationship with her or not) to the point that I get chills on my spine everytime she appears on the screen

As to what you said about Sage, it clearly shows that you never really played her path or if you did you didnt pay close attention. Everyone in the lust triangle between MC, Sage and Chad is a cheater in almost the same amount of measure (altough for different reasons). But saying that Sage is "not a good person at all while jealous and angry. Pretty damn bad actually." and completely missing what Chads affair did to her mentally AND assuming that she fucks the MC just "out of spite"? Its your opinion and thank you for sharing it . Even though, I would say that you should play her path to understand some of the deeper meanings behind Sages actions

PS: Jesus, I have written a whole essay . I guess I missed writing here more than I thought

I find it unfair that you think claim ive not played the Sage path. I did say I found Sages personality bad early on and then acknowledge that she gets better. That all of them are written well, she makes sense, but she definitely doesnt start out good, at all. Hence the opposite of good, ie a bad person, and again for emphasis, early on. Anyways, shes in the middle of the pack for me now. Josy is worse, and Jills valium life is far worse. Its not even close.

Sage has depth and a life compared to Josy. Sage got a plan and a future shes focused on since shes close to graduating. It just wasnt germane to the topic at the time. Ive talked elsewhere on why I like Maya, shes more of a friend to Fuckface, shes probably the one thats the least romantically interested in Fuckface. Shes just as happy to be platonic and have Josy as she is sharing Josy with Fuckface since Josy wants Fuckface. And thats the main reason shes so compelling to me. Shes a real friend to MC in a way that Sage, well, wasn't. If that makes sense? They share so much early on. Way too much time together in the early parts really. To me nothing in the story is forced about Maya, shes a friend Fuckface should want to help, like any sane person would help Sage over going to a picnic to play into Jills fairy tale delusions about destiny.

Isabella is the most interesting LI though to me. The mystery of that woman is haunting me, same as Quinns motivations. Top three girls right there. Bella, Maya and Quinn. Each for different reasons.

 

[Skeltom]

You're both right and wrong. Jill will cut you off if you tend to Sage instead of going with her on a picnic (you monster!), but she'll also cut you off if you don't fight for her after tennis. Or if you didn't make our with her at Bella's. Or if you have DIK Affinity at any of the major checkpoints. With Jill, nearly everything is a cutoff point.

But at least the other ones make a certain level of sense. Jill losing all interest in the MC just because she picked a time for her surprise picnic when he was busy really is a bridge too far in my book.

Huh, that's weird. Looking at the code there is just a variable for ep6_choseJillOverSage = True but nothing that sets the pathJill to false. I'm playing through again anyway so I will find out either way.

 

[Skeltom]

AchedCroissant, you must really like drama if you have such a hard on for Zoey already. We have gone through half of the game with her being little more than a shadow so the only reason I see for bringing her back is is so DPC can add to the already over the top drama. Thanks for the facepalm though.

 

[AchedCroissant]

You know what else you can see in the picture? Jonah likes to drink strawberry daiquiri's.

Who else likes to drink strawberry daiquiri's? Josy.

This makes me wonder who owned the backpack in Zoey's room? Is there a connection between Josy and Emma after all? Also, did Josy perhaps secretly look in Zoey's notebook and discover the MC's picture?

Did the MC maybe have another girlfriend between Zoey and the beginning of college? Could that be Emily?

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[fool1200]

Huh, that's weird. Looking at the code there is just a variable for ep6_choseJillOverSage = True but nothing that sets the pathJill to false. I'm playing through again anyway so I will find out either way.

It actually sets off a chain of reactions. Not going to picnic = not invited to dinner with friends = can't choose Jill at crossroads. I would even go as far as saying that you are led on to believe that you still are on her path (you can still "fight for her" and do the full recital support) but nope.

 

[Skeltom]

I only put it on because you mentioned Jill for nor Zoey

I'm not entirely sure what that means. I figured you took offence to the part about Zoey going by your avatar, apologies. You must really not like Jill, huh?

 

[Skeltom]

It actually sets off a chain of reactions. Not going to picnic = not invited to dinner with friends = can't choose Jill at crossroads. I would even go as far as saying that you are led on to believe that you still are on her path (you can still "fight for her" and do the full recital support) but nope.

Geez, that's a pretty drastic setup made by DPC. Miss one date and lose that LI forever. That's a pretty poor design if you ask me. I don't think any other path suffers that much from just one missed scene.

 

[jak1165]

RE: Maya/Her father and her "loan situation"

Im going to preface this by saying everything in this story is true. I swear it. But if you think Maya's situation is complicated, Im about to blow your minds

When I was in college, I worked in the financial aid department during summers. While I was sorting files and stuff, I came across a financial aide request/request for assistance that....might be unique? I don't remember his name but he was in the process of legally emancipating himself. Which is tough when according to the US Government, he didnt actually exist. He lived on a commune/cult and was born there. He had never been to the doctor. He had never been to the dentist and naturally, he was homeschooled. There was no record of this individual's birth so applying for a student loan was tricky. He had no social security number, no forms of ID....like I said, he effectively did not exist. I'm not even sure he had authored the letter. He had somehow come into contact with a small group of adults who, like him, had left the cult and they were trying to help him become independent and apply for school.

This probably won't surprise you, but his parents were not interesting in co-signing any loans or turning over any financial information. Not that it would have helped because according to the adults who were vouching for him, because on paper his parents were quite well off. In reality, he had, like them, grown up in large one room "homes" with his many siblings and any money that was somehow earned (because apparently the adults paid taxes and earned money.....somehow) were turned over to the cult leaders. Think Amish with a sprinkling of Jim Jones.

His financial aide request was denied. I wonder what happened to him. So yeah, I can believe a situation like Maya's could exist

 

[felicemastronzo]

I actually think they all love MC and don't believe it's really fair to rank them.

Both Josy and Maya are always happy when MC's around and although Maya obviously has other concerns, she's very much into him although she thought she couldn't even like men, and it's not like MC's the first man she has had around, so only love could really make her accept a three way relationship.
Josy in contrast has had pretty much no adversities so far, and she also accepted that she liked MC even before Maya was in the know, so for her it's just really easy to be all lovey-dovey with him now that her only concern is pretty much just hiding from Maya's dad.

Sage is more conflicted about her feelings for him but you can see by her reaction at the end of EP8 that she has completely let her guard down and has fallen for him badly.

Jill, c'mon, there's no way it's just sexual tension, she has done so much for him and he for her, she's fallen hard and that's even more evident by her reaction if you choose Bella after pursuing her.

Then comes Bella, obviously the most complicated case, but she herself has questioned why their attraction can't just be carnal, after nearly having several breakdowns, by EP7 she clearly starts accepting her feelings and that's even more apparent in EP8, when although their first date went horribly wrong, she still decides to pursue MC and agrees to try and face the bumpy road they have ahead. This isn't something that someone does just out of lust.

Now, love is different for everybody and it's true that can be stronger for some and weaker for others. But even then, all the LIs emotional baggage, circumstances and levels of maturity are so different from one another that I don't think it's fair to compare them.

they are LIs so they love him by definition....

but not all relationships move at the same speed, so there are some that are more formed than others

Jill and Josy would love to officially be MC's girlfriend, Josy even since she got to BR if Mc had a room to himself....
It took Bella two seasons to decide to really go for it, it took Sage almost the same amount of time to be convinced to see how it goes
Maya is in the middle, not "free" enough to be ready, but she's never backed down

 

[JackFrost111]

I like the drama. Just wanted to let you all know ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)