VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[jak1165]

As was mentioned, the problem is precisely that Jill can only see this incident from her own point of view. She knows how important this picnic is - that she's defying Tybalt's ultimatum to give the MC the only gift she can give him AND that this is the best chance to left him down easily now that she's been 'forced' break things off with him. But she never stops to consider that the MC doesn't know any of that because she's refused to tell him all week! She never stops to consider that from the MC's point of view, Sage's mild cold is still a more immediate crisis than an impromptu date. She never thinks about how she'd feel if the MC bailed on her while she was sick to go on a spur-of-the moment date with some other girl.

Its not the first time Jill has failed to consider another viewpoint. The Chad incident is another plot point for her. Like I said earlier, her defining character trait is that she believes whatever action she takes with her relationship w/Fuckface is the right one. Or at least comes from right place. Her solution to a friend being bullied is to tell someone and get help because that's what she would want done for her.

Is she flawed? Yes. What's the saying...."the road to hell is paved with good intentions"

DPC has established that she has an imperfect view of relationships through small reveals, such as the date with Rusty, the short backstory with her parents (her closest relationship is with her sister), the first date (she's not particularly close with her extended family and I suspect she's not altogther THAT close with her parents.

And it's worth noting that the MC can tend to Sage even if he's not on her path. The basics of the Sage branch wouldn't really change if the MC had to tend to, say, Derek instead of Sage. So even the idea that Jill is jealous of Sage is, IMHO, fundamentally problematic because we know Jill's reaction doesn't actually hinge on the MC's actions. Jill is behaving like a paranoid girlfriend even as she refuses to tell the MC how important he is to her.

Chalk this one up to video game logic. DPC clearly isn't making some kind of Harem game so there has to definitive choices, even if their real world logic doesnt hold up

Once you see that, it's hard to ignore just how self-centered Jill is being here. Even if we accept that she's hopelessly naive rather than jealous, she still could have tried to reschedule with the MC once she had time to think things over. You'd think she'd *want* to give the MC another chance to prove himself (much as she rationalized a way to give him a first chance despite the ultimatum). But she never does. She goes from being borderline obsessed with the MC to writing him off for the rest of Season 2 (maybe more) in a single conversation. People rightly give Maya a lot of flak for her passivity, but Jill takes it to a whole new level.

She doesnt see herself as self-centered. Quite literally the opposite in fact. She is consistently written this way and well within established parameters for her behavior.

In short, I dont see it as poor writing on DPC's part.

Agree with your thoughts on Sage though

 

[Lostanddamned]

Neither do the numbers

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Señor Fuckface, the numbers don't lie and they spell DISASTER for you at the halloween party!

 

[vogelbeest]

Of course I can judge her for it; judging people by their actions is the only appropriate way to judge them. I'm not saying a she's a bad person because she has a character flaw, but I'm definitely saying she has a character flaw.

What happened was she surprise visited MC for a picnic, MC told he has promised to go to Sage, Jill was a bit disappointed but understood.... Nothing to blame her for so far right? I don't see any actions that are so bad....

The problem is that people try to explain all this as being Jill's character flaw.... While it really is just the same as in real life that one day you overslept a car drove into your workplace and you would have died if you were there...
Falling in love is not the same as somebody's actions, actions may be defined by falling in love but that's pretty much it.
Jill's path just has alot no-go's while Sage's path is the most tolerant path of all.... Their paths in a way represent their characters, one is more timid and uncertain while the other clearly knows what she wants and how to get it....
Who would consider somebody not falling in love with you, as a character flaw?

 

[AngelsAfterDark]

I love the game and plot but tbh it looks more like a fantasy at this point than reality. In which world you can fuck almost every girl in college while

1) fooling around with an extremely strict librarian woman who happens to be teaching a class of yours in the future but decides to forget about all of that and comes back to life of pleasure after quite a few years,
2) date her shy virgin best friend, who is an adorable creature always lurking somewhere to help you (even endures tybault ffs(
3) be fuck buddies with a gem of a girl who can't even be described, like she is president of HOTs who's about to graduate, super hot obviously and on top of that is really smart too. So you have this girl falling for you too
4) 2 girls accept you in their relationship, allowing you to do whatever the fuck you want as well. You can date others all you want. And one of them was a lesbian until she met the you. Alright

Honorable mentions.
2 teachers want to fuck you, a mother working as a stripper thinks you are the most mature man she ever got to know and looks smitten with you, the other strippers want some of you too, in some free roams you can be pursuing all main LI and still fuck in every room with whatever hoe exists. Oh yeah let's not forget your best friend who comes back mostly for you (it's obvious).

Moreover this guy apparently has the biggest dick every chick ever saw in that college (even those chicks that get paid to fuck). How convenient. He also knows how to beat anyone that comes to him. Plays his guitar as a hobby but is so good that he saves Jill. And if everything else wasn't enough, guess what you are some kind of Vice President already because every other guy in that frat is useless but you turn them into hustlers. And yeah that super popular, hot and sexy president of the only sorority? She makes party plans with you now. Your dad finds shit for free that makes the mansion look 10 times better than Rusty's father's money. How convenient that in a span of a month (?) that happened. But the previous 18 years of your life he never came across any type of free furniture like that for his own house (not trying to mock them about their home, just stating the obvious). What else? You get paid to take notes for nerds? What? What?!?! LMAO. Derek is actually okay with you banging his sister and Josy, while he knows you are doing some side stuff as well. What?

Yeah yeah apparently MC could be some golden guy who is just irresistible and every female fights for him or at least would like to have him for as much as she can. But this guy? He is such a pussy man. We don't even get the option to uncover the prostitution operation to others. Like seriously the best you can do is just not take Quinn's offer, stay quiet and just tell Maya "she's evil"? Might as well accept the offer anyway, more sex.
Also a pussy with Zoey, could just transfer schools. Said he had a new bf when she actually didn't. I see Zoey acting as it was just sex with MC but she hasn't touched a single dick yet my MC is running low on sperm at this point while still having all 5 major paths open.
It's not like I don't like the game, I love it, it's probably the one I've liked the most. I would just like some more realistic stuff happening you know, like not being able to date and fuck around with 5 amazing girls and still have fuck loads of other chicks. That would be a start. And the massive chick or dik status wont cut it for me, I'd like the option to snitch on Quinn about prostitution. Like literally man you are banging their president and you open up to each other so much. Even taking care of her when she is sick. At least mention it to her man ffs.
Dear lord i fucked up. Too much writing. I wanted to keep on going but that's too much, im sorry for the essay lol

In that same regard wouldn't u agree that most VNs are based on fantasy? I mean come on in reality no average Joe would be drowning in sauce the way these MCs are, Tremolo's no exception. Dudes good looking and well built I'll given him that but trust me that's not even close to being enough to get all the girls, I speak from experience. Fuck not even the rich are that lucky im sure they'd bag some hot girl's but that's the money talking, most of those girls won't even give a fuck about the bruh, but because he has money and power they'll stick around. In these VNs we have broke ass college dudes getting all the suace, you think that's realistic? It's not just BeingADik I'd confidently say at least 99% of games here have that narrative. Some even go full on porn and make the MCs "monster cock" the primary reason why girls want him, once again thats a fantasy. Your ugly broke ass won't get shit big dick or not lol.

 

[Ir0n Ma1den]

You are forgetting some things in your reflections. Pete and Monica have been married for a long time. We learn that in EP2. Ergo, it is likely that Josy and Tommy were still children. Josy is a daddy's girl and felt neglected by her father. She developed a hatred for Monica and Tommy.

I assume that's why Pete sent Josy to live with her mother. In the EP4 flashback, we learn that Josy went to another high school where she met Maya and Derek. But she wants to live with her father and spends the last year of high school with her father. She can decide that herself because she's already 18 by then. How do I know that? She's having sex with Maya, and in BaDIK, sex is only 18 and up, so we shouldn't forget that Maya was visiting Josy, which wouldn't have been necessary if they were still in the same high school.

So Tommy only met Josy as a child or young teenager. Probably only briefly, because Josy then lived with her mother for the time being. It's unlikely that Tommy had a crush on Josy, because they just didn't spend enough time together, and in the little time they did spend together, they will have been fighting for the most part.

Also, in EP2 Josy says to the MC that he now knows what you've been going through for years with Tommy.

I rather suspect that Tommy took his brother role too seriously and sabotaged Josy's dates or beat up the guys who got too close to Josy. Josy said herself that if Tommy knew she was dating the MC, Tommy would beat up the MC and Tommy would have the shortest fuse ever. But in EP6, the MC gets to slow Tommy down and put him in his place.

Even if they meet as young kids there could be attrection as they grow, I wrote in the comment that I was close to having the same situation as Tommy as a kid.

 

[♂Brout&Minou♀]

Well...
We played through Season 2, and just as we were finishing the game came the interlude, and thus Zoey's return.
And then I said to myself Holy shit! I delayed as long as possible to start this part of the game, because after having also played "Acting Lessons", I feared... How to say that... a very dirty plot twist.
But my girlfriend not helping me at all to wait very long, we finally jumped on it.
And here we are. I told my girlfriend, you'll see! You'll see that Dr PinCake again spawned something like "an elephant cleans a china shop"
And damn! Holy shit, sometimes I wish I was wrong. I said a while ago here that she would graduate and be ready to go to college. Holy shit, I can't believe it! It's almost my own nightmare that I'm reliving. And of course, we know that there is at least one place available after Mona's departure (still mysterious by the way)
I can't deny that we're waiting for the sequel with some... anticipation?
And now my girlfriend can't stop talking about it even in bed. Damn Dr PinkCake you are pissing off! But don't change a thing because we love you!
Damn I didn't even know I was a masochist

 

[Ir0n Ma1den]

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I hope there is a summer vication episode for the Diks. BTW who of the diks is the most similar to stifler?? In my opinion its either Tommy or Derek.

Man I know Rusty has a summer house, Im intreasted to see the dinemic outside of college.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Well...
We played through Season 2, and just as we were finishing the game came the interlude, and thus Zoey's return.
And then I said to myself Holy shit! I delayed as long as possible to start this part of the game, because after having also played "Acting Lessons", I feared... How to say that... a very dirty plot twist.
But my girlfriend not helping me at all to wait very long, we finally jumped on it.
And here we are. I told my girlfriend, you'll see! You'll see that Dr PinCake again spawned something like "an elephant cleans a china shop"
And damn! Holy shit, sometimes I wish I was wrong. I said a while ago here that she would graduate and be ready to go to college. Holy shit, I can't believe it! It's almost my own nightmare that I'm reliving. And of course, we know that there is at least one place available after Mona's departure (still mysterious by the way)
I can't deny that we're waiting for the sequel with some... anticipation?
And now my girlfriend can't stop talking about it even in bed. Damn Dr PinkCake you are pissing off! But don't change a thing because we love you!
Damn I didn't even know I was a masochist

Not sure how it works in USA, but where I'm from you can't join a college mid year. She would have basically missed the entire first semester at this point. But whatever ass pull DPC does to get her in, I'm all for it, after seeing the vitriol coming her way after the Interlude.
Plus her eyebrows are cute.

Señor Fuckface, the numbers don't lie and they spell DISASTER for you at the halloween party!

Random trivia, there is an Spotify playlist of the entire promo:

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I think it is not so good if the MC is seen as a tiger. Tigers are loners. Who is a tiger in this game? Vinny. He has the tiger tattoo on his right hand.

It's much better if the MC is called a lion at some point. And why? Rusty is the lion in the house until the Mansion is destroyed. He even has a picture of a male lion on the wall. Behind the lion, by the way, is a lioness. What's also very striking is that it's an old and white lion. MC becomes the DIK president.

I don't think it is so good if the MC is seen as a lion. Jamie Lannister is a Lion and he is into twincest. MC will get DPC banned from Patreon

 

[TimHawk]

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I hope there is a summer vication episode for the Diks. BTW who of the diks is the most similar to stifler?? In my opinion its either Tommy or Derek.

Man I know Rusty has a summer house, Im intreasted to see the dinemic outside of college.

In college that would be spring break.

Not sure how it works in USA, but where I'm from you can't join a college mid year. She would have basically missed the entire first semester at this point. But whatever ass pull DPC does to get her in, I'm all for it, after seeing the vitriol coming her way after the Interlude.

Joining midterm, so before the spring semester starts is usually no problem, the student is required to produce the work of the first semester on their own and show the results to their respective teachers. So yea...the timing of Zoey coming back now is no coincidence.

 

[sixart]

Random trivia, there is an Spotify playlist of the entire promo:

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Scott (Rech)Steiner ??? Da fuck ?!?

I don't think it is so good if the MC is seen as a lion. Jamie Lannister is a Lion and he is into twincest. MC will get DPC banned from Patreon

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Not sure how it works in USA, but where I'm from you can't join a college mid year. She would have basically missed the entire first semester at this point.

!!!

I see in the meantime a very weak try to " explain this future event " popped up so I'm off of this hot mess

 

[Ir0n Ma1den]

Speaking about holloween here is my suggestions for the girls:
sage: dressed as triss

Lily 2016 harly quiin

Jill Yennifer

Bella as lara croft.

Josy as Rikku from final fantasy 10

Maya as Yuna from final Fantasy 10

quinn Female V from cyberpunk 2077

 

[Kamuisaki]

Speaking about holloween here is my suggestions for the girls:
sage: View attachment 1744665 dressed as triss View attachment 1744667

Lily View attachment 1744668 2016 harly quiin View attachment 1744670

Jill View attachment 1744674 Yennifer View attachment 1744678

Bella View attachment 1744680 as lara croft.

Josy View attachment 1744681 as Rikku from final fantasy 10 View attachment 1744682

Maya View attachment 1744684 as Yuna from final Fantasy 10 View attachment 1744686

quinn View attachment 1744688 Female V from cyberpunk 2077 View attachment 1744689

Cosplay and Halloween costume are different you know ? Like the costume we know about, a black widow and nurse (surely crazy nurse) are okay but not the ones you mentioned

 

[♂Brout&Minou♀]

Not sure how it works in USA, but where I'm from you can't join a college mid year. She would have basically missed the entire first semester at this point. But whatever ass pull DPC does to get her in, I'm all for it, after seeing the vitriol coming her way after the Interlude.
Plus her eyebrows are cute.

Well, I don't know where you're from, so I can't say. In the USA they don't all work the same way, and neither does where I come from. But the most important thing to remember is that this is a game, therefore a fantasy (Even if this fantasy seems familiar, as far as I'm concerned)
And... Are you sure there only the eyebrows are cute?

 

[Adry Lemon]

Well, I don't know where you're from, so I can't say. In the USA they don't all work the same way, and neither does where I come from. But the most important thing to remember is that this is a game, therefore a fantasy (Even if this fantasy seems familiar, as far as I'm concerned)
And... Are you sure there only the eyebrows are cute?

Besides if you don't they will all be walking around like "slutty nurse" or "slutty cop"

 

[sixart]

a black widow and nurse (surely crazy nurse) are okay

Dress like Leah ! ( already hear the booing from the background )

 

[Ir0n Ma1den]

Cosplay and Halloween costume are different you know ? Like the costume we know about, a black widow and nurse (surely crazy nurse) are okay but not the ones you mentioned

I don't know I'm not american. Though saw a couple of helloween where people do dress up as characters

 

[ename144]

Its not the first time Jill has failed to consider another viewpoint. The Chad incident is another plot point for her. Like I said earlier, her defining character trait is that she believes whatever action she takes with her relationship w/Fuckface is the right one. Or at least comes from right place. Her solution to a friend being bullied is to tell someone and get help because that's what she would want done for her.

Is she flawed? Yes. What's the saying...."the road to hell is paved with good intentions"

DPC has established that she has an imperfect view of relationships through small reveals, such as the date with Rusty, the short backstory with her parents (her closest relationship is with her sister), the first date (she's not particularly close with her extended family and I suspect she's not altogther THAT close with her parents.

I've never been bothered by Jill reporting the Chad incident. All she knew at the time was that the jocks had repeatedly assaulted the MC and he refused to report it OR tell her why he wouldn't. She knew that she might be doing the wrong thing by going over her head (that's why she tried so hard to convince him to do something first), but she couldn't take the risk of ignoring the problem if it turned out that the MC was wrong and he really did need the help.

People talk about how Jill was being naive in that instance because DPC frames it that way, but I think her logic is spot on. And I'll note that 5 episodes later the decision has still been nothing but good for the MC.

Chalk this one up to video game logic. DPC clearly isn't making some kind of Harem game so there has to definitive choices, even if their real world logic doesnt hold up

Sure, but in this case the video game logic doesn't hold up either. It's not a dilemma if only one option has negative consequences.

What happened was she surprise visited MC for a picnic, MC told he has promised to go to Sage, Jill was a bit disappointed but understood.... Nothing to blame her for so far right? I don't see any actions that are so bad....

The problem is that people try to explain all this as being Jill's character flaw.... While it really is just the same as in real life that one day you overslept a car drove into your workplace and you would have died if you were there...
Falling in love is not the same as somebody's actions, actions may be defined by falling in love but that's pretty much it.
Jill's path just has alot no-go's while Sage's path is the most tolerant path of all.... Their paths in a way represent their characters, one is more timid and uncertain while the other clearly knows what she wants and how to get it....
Who would consider somebody not falling in love with you, as a character flaw?

If Jill had been lukewarm on the MC prior to her impromptu picnic I'd agree with you. But we all saw that Jill was anything but. She was extremely interested in the MC... until he picked tending to Sage over going on a picnic with her. At that point Jill's interest completely died out.

That's what pushes this incident over the cliff for me. I get why Jill's path requires the MC go on that picnic with her, but I don't understand why she never tries to set up another picnic when the MC has free time. Even if we completely buy in to the Tybalt blackmail nonsense and think she's unwilling to risk his well being a second time, once he sneaks into her room at night and makes it clear he isn't going to drop the matter she should have tried to pick up where they left off.

Instead, she sends him away and the path remains closed. To me, that makes it clear that this isn't just a case of Jill missing out on the key ingredients to continue the romance, but rather a case of Jill outright rejecting the MC, purely because he wouldn't back out of helping a sick friend.

 

[QBaSS]

Your dad finds shit for free that makes the mansion look 10 times better than Rusty's father's money. How convenient that in a span of a month (?) that happened. But the previous 18 years of your life he never came across any type of free furniture like that for his own house (not trying to mock them about their home, just stating the obvious).

You forgot the bathroom
It's one of the first scenes in the game
Also it's not like he's moving things from hotels all day long for 18 years
It's a bit of a stretch but it's possible
The rest it's kinda run of the mill porn fiction

 

[D2M3]

Speaking about holloween here is my suggestions for the girls:
sage: View attachment 1744665 dressed as triss View attachment 1744667

Lily View attachment 1744668 2016 harly quiin View attachment 1744670

Jill View attachment 1744674 Yennifer View attachment 1744678

Bella View attachment 1744680 as lara croft.

Josy View attachment 1744681 as Rikku from final fantasy 10 View attachment 1744682

Maya View attachment 1744684 as Yuna from final Fantasy 10 View attachment 1744686

quinn View attachment 1744688 Female V from cyberpunk 2077 View attachment 1744689

Sage as triss and Jill as yennefer?

Someone's bias is showing

Also, Lily as Harley Quinn, careful mate, don't strain your imagination while reaching that hard...

 

[walker188]

It's all about those goblin teeth bro. A non-smiling, serious Jill is
She opens that sinister maw and it's like staring into the Great Pit of Carkoon.

I wish I could swap Jill/Bella's propensities to smile. Bella smile more and Jill smile less.

Honestly, most girls a very pretty when they smile. Its a genetic thing, we like a happy woman. But Bella is SCARY with a smile. And Jill is ....well, its tough when you have persistent brain damage to imitate a human person, but the raccoon does her best.