VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[ChipLecsap]

You mean like Jill does when MC fucks Bella on the dining room table but i do agree

Yes, Good Example. Or when Dawe get the letters. or when MC see "Carolyn". or if MC walking in in the pink Rose, and saw Envy, serving 2 client.
But if MC is not a witness, or the scene is not about him then seeing these girls personal relationship, is not realism , it's a waste of development time. and not confuse this with regular basic storylines. What we will be part of eventually. or with Characters background story.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Yes, Good Example. Or when Dawe get the letters. or when MC see "Carolyn". or if MC walking in in the pink Rose, and saw Envy, serving 2 client.
But if MC is not a witness, or the scene is not about him then seeing these girls personal relationship, is not realism , it's a waste of development time. and not confuse this with regular basic storylines. What we will be part of eventually. or with Characters background story.

if you're talking about animations, time-consuming in development, where they have sex, I also agree. but how can their personal relationships be unnecessary and a waste of time? whether MC is present or not is secondary, we are the ones being told the story, not him.

seeing John Boy and Elena in bed together, always all over each other is not a waste of time, it serves to characterize them.

seeing Maya and Josy's flashback was not a waste of time, it served to characterize them and show instead of tell.

on the contrary, Bella's flashback is so aseptic that the only way to digest it is to invent theories (the sixth sense) that anyway do not seem so absurd in order to explain what we were shown

 

[ChipLecsap]

if you're talking about animations, time-consuming in development, where they have sex, I also agree. but how can their personal relationships be unnecessary and a waste of time? whether MC is present or not is secondary, we are the ones being told the story, not him.

seeing John Boy and Elena in bed together, always all over each other is not a waste of time, it serves to characterize them.

seeing Maya and Josy's flashback was not a waste of time, it served to characterize them and show instead of tell.

on the contrary, Bella's flashback is so aseptic that the only way to digest it is to invent theories (the sixth sense) that anyway do not seem so absurd in order to explain what we were shown

But it is MC's story, what are told to us. Not his love interest stories, or his friends stories, we see time to time bonus information, but its not their story, its MC story. we just get more information time to time about the world he living in, about the characters he interact, But it is His Story. Not Sage , not Jill , not Rusty, Not Bella, or Josy etc. It's MC.

But you don't see Elena and JB , outside of MC perspective.

Josy Maya, or the Bella and her hubby also flashbacks. Different meaning. Whole different thing, and You know it too, I know you do.

let's Say: Sage as she said that she won't wait for MC, and found a new guy or girl, or a transgender deer whatever.
When MC is not around, Why would we need to see her personal life with that person?

Lets say: Dik and Hots are go to a Spring Break, they chose to go to a lake , and they all stay in wood house.
at the fireplace we all hang out together, Mc and Jill, Sage and her new hubby. We having conversations, we got a scene,etc Then Sage and her new Boy toy, stand up and walk inside the house. - Thats where its end for Sage

and We stay With MC. We not gonna follow Sage and her boy toy to see them fucking, why would we need that?. When We as the Player, MC and his girl stayed there, may be we walk away to, find a quite place to have sex. Why should the perspective and the Story should be stay on Sage in an way? Why would we care about what Sage doing and waste the render and the animation on her, When we have our own storyline.

or the upcoming Halloween. We walk around, we saw Sage having a good chat with a guy, MC may make a remark, that he is so happy that she found someone. He may walk toward them, have a conversation, and then We move forward to do our own business.

Rusty, Fucked that girl Micah or whatever her name is, did we see it ? After we had the conversation with them, did we stayed on them and heard their conversation, or even see them leaving or anything? No.
Why would this have to be different with any other girl we not choose?

Please tell me you actually get what I'm pointing out?. You know I'm right, right?.

 

[nyrek]

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STOP DOING THAT, I EAT IN FRONT OF MY COMPUTER FROM TIME TO TIME

 

[sixart]

It's like the second sex scene in the Interlude. Waste of Time. Because it has nothing to do with Zoey, and She was the main character.

That scene is an alternate... normally it does not happen bad goes to worse and on and on like a halcyon...
Normally means here the intended outcome... Zoey is a DIK smashed with Emma burned all bridges etc...

 

[ChipLecsap]

That scene is an alternate... normally it does not happen bad goes to worse and on and on like a halcyon...
Normally means here the intended outcome... Zoey is a DIK smashed with Emma burned all bridges etc...
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The alternate would have been if Zoey is having a Threesome there. Now that would Be Relevant
seeing ugly tattooed chick with metrosexual having sex, was not relevant. That's at least a week that could have been spend on episode 9 instead.

 

[felicemastronzo]

But you don't see Elena and JB , outside of MC perspective.

Josy Maya, or the Bella and her hubby also flashbacks. Different meaning. Whole different thing, and You know it too, I know you do.

let's Say: Sage as she said that she won't wait for MC, and found a new guy or girl, or a transgender deer whatever.
When MC is not around, Why would we need to see her personal life with that person?

Lets say: Dik and Hots are go to a Spring Break, they chose to go to a lake , and they all stay in wood house.
at the fireplace we all hang out together, Mc and Jill, Sage and her new hubby. We having conversations, we got a scene,etc Then Sage and her new Boy toy, stand up and walk inside the house. - Thats where its end for Sage

and We stay With MC. We not gonna follow Sage and her boy toy to see them fucking, why would we need that?. When We as the Player, MC and his girl stayed there, may be we walk away to, find a quite place to have sex. Why should the perspective and the Story should be stay on Sage in an way? Why would we care about what Sage doing and waste the render and the animation on her, When we have our own storyline.

or the upcoming Halloween. We walk around, we saw Sage having a good chat with a guy, MC may make a remark, that he is so happy that she found someone. He may walk toward them, have a conversation, and then We move forward to do our own business.

Rusty, Fucked that girl Micah or whatever her name is, did we see it ? After we had the conversation with them, did we stayed on them and heard their conversation, or even see them leaving or anything? No.
Why would this have to be different with any other girl we not choose?

Please tell me you actually get what I'm pointing out?. You know I'm right, right?.

it seems to me that you are lumping everything together in a not-so-clear way.

my point is: the personal relationships of the LIs, but in general of all characters, are part of the story, they are never superfluous. not the sex, the relationships (but being a porn game it would fit the former)

so I don't understand why flashbacks should be an exception.. if Riona had sex with a client in a flashback or in "live-action" what difference does it make? what difference does it make if we find out that Quinn and Vinnie were together in a flashback by seeing it, or in the game with someone telling us about it?

you yourself gave the example of the interlude, which is a flashback, as an unnecessary sex scene (and you're right, but since Zoey had already had sex with MC, DPC had to necessarily use another female character, the least attractive one possible to prevent anyone from falling in love with her. and an unnecessary scene because who gives a damn about Emma?)

if Bella's husband returned in the ninth chapter, with MC present or not, would you expect him to kiss her? after that flashback I would say I would rule it out

then you make this assumption that once an LIs has been dumped, she goes out of MC's life, which is false in such an obvious way that I really don't know what you mean. they continue to hang out all the time, as soon as they break up they make it clear that they will still remain friends forever.

for me this terror that DPC has of the whining of his patreons, which I can also understand, damages a lot the realism of what he tells. but most of all it damages the characters in his tale

the most glaring example is Sage, who in theory is supposed to be the belle of the school, thinks she is, but acts like a beggar for affection, gets rejected by MC three times (no fuckbuddy, no sex on Tybalt's bed on automatic, and no second chances at HOTs parties) after living months if not years with a guy who wouldn't touch her even with a stick
if, on the other hand, you're with her and dump her at the last minute she'd want you to know that in case something changes to let her know--because she might be available.

so the point is not that they don't show us, because it's a waste of time, but that there is nothing to show us because they are all waiting for their second chance (Sage had it, the others will have it too)

the only ones who can afford to show interest in the LIs, witho complete buffoons who wouldn't stand a chance even if they were the last men on earth ( the most anonymous of the JOCKs, who seems to be twice as old as the other students, hits on Josy...)

But it is MC's story, what are told to us. Not his love interest stories, or his friends stories, we see time to time bonus information, but its not their story, its MC story. we just get more information time to time about the world he living in, about the characters he interact, But it is His Story. Not Sage , not Jill , not Rusty, Not Bella, or Josy etc. It's MC.

you added this after I answered you

the consequences of MC's choices are part of MC's story, in the same way the premises of the situations in which Mc finds himself are also part of MC's story

let's say MC's behavior might have consequences for whether or not Maya gets the scholarship would this be part of Mc's story or not?
If playing too much with Bella brought serious consequences for her would this be part of Mc's story or not?

if it's sentimental consequences though: heaven forbid!!! it's a waste of time!!! i don't think

 

[NebulousShooter]

But it is MC's story, what are told to us. Not his love interest stories, or his friends stories, we see time to time bonus information, but its not their story, its MC story. we just get more information time to time about the world he living in, about the characters he interact, But it is His Story. Not Sage , not Jill , not Rusty, Not Bella, or Josy etc. It's MC.

But you don't see Elena and JB , outside of MC perspective.

Josy Maya, or the Bella and her hubby also flashbacks. Different meaning. Whole different thing, and You know it too, I know you do.

let's Say: Sage as she said that she won't wait for MC, and found a new guy or girl, or a transgender deer whatever.
When MC is not around, Why would we need to see her personal life with that person?

Lets say: Dik and Hots are go to a Spring Break, they chose to go to a lake , and they all stay in wood house.
at the fireplace we all hang out together, Mc and Jill, Sage and her new hubby. We having conversations, we got a scene,etc Then Sage and her new Boy toy, stand up and walk inside the house. - Thats where its end for Sage

and We stay With MC. We not gonna follow Sage and her boy toy to see them fucking, why would we need that?. When We as the Player, MC and his girl stayed there, may be we walk away to, find a quite place to have sex. Why should the perspective and the Story should be stay on Sage in an way? Why would we care about what Sage doing and waste the render and the animation on her, When we have our own storyline.

or the upcoming Halloween. We walk around, we saw Sage having a good chat with a guy, MC may make a remark, that he is so happy that she found someone. He may walk toward them, have a conversation, and then We move forward to do our own business.

Rusty, Fucked that girl Micah or whatever her name is, did we see it ? After we had the conversation with them, did we stayed on them and heard their conversation, or even see them leaving or anything? No.
Why would this have to be different with any other girl we not choose?

Please tell me you actually get what I'm pointing out?. You know I'm right, right?.

Then why are you seeing what Quinn, Rionna and Tybalt are doing? Its clear that its not a POV story, I don't even know why you try to use that as an argument. While being mostly focused on the MC we often see things MC does not, we see other characters inner monologue and flashbacks that enrich the game world beyond Fuckface's scope, which often begins and ends around the tip of his penis.


And no, its different for the argued instances like Zoey's and Bella's cases, because it makes the story unnatural, less realistic, even beyond the expected suspension of disbelief you normally apply to Adult VN. You can say that you don't care, or that it does not change anything for you personally, but what you cannot do is argue that the story is not weaker when you dance around anything of that nature, multiple times during the game, because of fear of backlash (the only logical reason).


Btw, I hope you are just exaggerating for humor, if not, you are arguing in bad faith. No one was defending the NTR nutcases, its clear that they play those types of games because of the fetishes of cuckoldry and swinging and what not, so they are by default excluded from conversations about the quality of writing.

 

[bigdick289]

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Cursed Jill looks like an animatronic of Five Nights at Freddies

 

[felicemastronzo]

Btw, I hope you are just exaggerating for humor, if not, you are arguing in bad fate. No one was defending the NTR nutcases, its clear that they play those types of games because of the fetishes of cuckoldry and swinging and what not, so they are by default excluded from conversations about the quality of writing.

on this I disagree, it has nothing to do in my opinion with the quality of the writing, it is not that it is particularly difficult to handle
however, this would bring DPC a flood of complaints, and it is also understandable that he wants to live it serenely
this choice however harms the characters in the story a bit, but it is a conscious choice, not an accident

 

[mindern]

for me this terror that DPC has of the whining of his patreons, which I can also understand, damages a lot the realism of what he tells. but most of all it damages the characters in his tale

This is one of my bigger gripes about the game. Why were 4/5 of the central LI in relationships if he was so overwhelmingly against showing so much as a kiss? The lack of… anything between people supposedly in relationships is absurd. It’s not like we’d need to see their entire sex lives (neither is there a need to as Chips points out) but just basic interactions to show an authentic relationship would be nice.

It’s not like he didn’t know people online were like this after Acting Lessons yet he went ahead with all these relationships.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Then why are you seeing what Quinn, Rionna and Tybalt are doing? Its clear that its not a POV story, I don't even know why you try to use that as an argument. While being mostly focused on the MC we often see things MC does not, we see other characters inner monologue and flashbacks that enrich the game world beyond Fuckface's scope, which often begins and ends around the tip of his penis.

Because it's relevant to MC. It will be relevant to the general story. Like it or not Every character Personal life only relevant if it's connected to MC.one way or another. Or it Will be connected. We see the Pink Rose girls drug things and etc, We know it will be connected to MC in way or an another.

But felicemastronzo Really want to blur out any line, like there is no definitive lines between the things.
But the game is like an Onion, is has its layers. And the least important part of it is the different love interests personal "love" life outside of MC's scoop.

And I have direct evidence for this, In Fact I'm pretty sure you all have

in the very first time, I only realized after this that I have not Seen Bella at all in episode 4..
Because She was not Relevant in the moment. Whether Josy Gonna fuck with a Jock or not will only have Relevance, if MC is involved somehow or not. Otherwise, it's not relevant, the LEAST important thing.
And That is my whole point. In an Extent it can bare some relevance, but it is the least important thing. And who know May Be it's gonna this way with the Branching, they will only exist in a bare extend outside of MC's scoop.

 

[sixart]

The alternate would have been if Zoey is having a Threesome there.

Nope That's your wish at best The alternate is that there is no trouble around the phone BS everybody gets their happy ending ( ? ) BS and all is peachy when she comes back... though the intended one is that there IS trouble ( how much depends on you ) but whatever should happen in EP9 it wouldn't be peachy at all

Even though I'm not a fan of bringing Zoya back into the fold BS I'm curious just WTF DPC is thinking about heading at and more importantly HOW he's gonna pull it off... while I ( for instance ) stay interested in that line and not just laugh it off as an amateur telenovela hour

 

[OFT]

I'm still amazed that all the talk of the Nu Tau Rho fraternity (sorority?) doesn't include Derek as a member. Fuckface is fully aware of at least two instances of Derek cheating on him. No, he didn't exactly witness the events, but he saw the explicit evidence:








And don't give me that crap about Derek not being a love interest. Although they haven't quite been to first base, we have seen many intimate moments with Derek. For example:

• Spoiler: Hangs out with the MC before they were DIKs with his dick hanging

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• Spoiler: Nuzzles the MC's crotch, in front of the entire fraternity no less

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• Spoiler: Propositions the MC

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• Spoiler: Lets the MC suck on his toe

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• Spoiler: Their PDA broccoli moment

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• Spoiler: Sleeps with the MC both naked and in women's lingerie

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So, if the bylaws of the ντρ fraternity involve a love interest cheating on the main character, surely Derek deserves to be considered.

Spoiler: I'll see myself out...

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[Ilhares]

But you don't see Elena and JB , outside of MC perspective.

Please tell me you actually get what I'm pointing out?. You know I'm right, right?.

I understand what you're aiming for here, but you're completely wrong. We see a lot of interaction between other characters that is not a flashback, and in situations that have absolutely no MC presence whatsoever.

The alternate would have been if Zoey is having a Threesome there. Now that would Be Relevant
seeing ugly tattooed chick with metrosexual having sex, was not relevant. That's at least a week that could have been spend on episode 9 instead.

Well.. I can't argue with you on that one. I found zero appeal whatsoever to her 'friends' there. The drunk chick was amusing, whatever her name was.

Cursed Jill looks like an animatronic of Five Nights at Freddies

Dude, that's not 'Cursed Jill'. That is 100% everyday Normal Jill.

Don't stick your dick in goblin-kin, kids. It does not end well.

 

[ChipLecsap]

I understand what you're aiming for here, but you're completely wrong. We see a lot of interaction between other characters that is not a flashback, and in situations that have absolutely no MC presence whatsoever.

I feel like I'm running in circles here. .
Let's try this way, I use Bella as an example because I'm gonna get likes for it

I'm on the Bella branch. She and I just Fucked in her pool. The next scene.
A, Lily and Tommy talking about drug. A scenario that directly involve the Diks , and will have effect on MC. A Main Plot
B, Josy and Lucas, talking about some random thing, How She liked the way he said " Hi Josy" - so She wanna suck his Dick, and we get a sex scene.

Which one has the most relevant to me on the Bella path, or for the game general plot. ?. It is the least important thing in the game to see Josy love life.
if Josy comes to me and Say hey my new Boyfriend is beating me, abusing me, could you help? Then in that case it's became Relevant.
other than this, if She is beyond my scope, MC's scope, aka MC is not presented, this is not relevant.

people falsely have this idea that if we don't see them move on, and getting an extended details about their life its means that these character stuck in a loop waiting for MC the player to change his mind. .

But I hardly get this expression, when I didn't see Bella at all in episode 4. Nothing happens, we are back in the same track, she became relevant for the story again, so I meet her. And I think this is how bracnhng will work, some characters just won't be as heavily presented anymore, because they no longer relevant for that specific branch. Beyond the plot.
it has nothing to do with fear of NTR. It is simply just, when you are on a Bella branch, you dont have to see a random scene thats hold no value to the story aside of being a personal storyline for a rejcted girl.

I cant explinit any better, I feel like at this point it's just arguing for the sake of arguing.

 

[hakuna-matata]

MC is classic Marty Sue. I would call him James Bond from the AVN world. After all, this game is compensation for what the players don't have in real life (basically, maybe one of the players, like Tremolo, fucks three chicks a night).The player wants to try himself the most desirable, the sexiest, the most beloved.
But on the other hand, he really lacks an opponent. Chad and Troy gave a little rivalry, but they were quickly exposed. Chad is just gay, which sounds like a joke, and Tybalt is just a clown. The new rivalry is apparently a rivalry between Tommy and MC for informal leadership.

I can see where you coming from with Mary Sue reference. MC shows up to the campus and is practically anointed a king. He's able to seduce lesbians, teachers, virgins, pimps, men, animals and even the dead. A little competition can be good for both story and drama purposes. It can also give some balance to the game.

 

[ChipLecsap]

I can see where you coming from with Mary Sue reference. MC shows up to the campus and is practically anointed a king. He's able to turn lesbians, seduce teachers, virgins, pimps, men, animals and even the dead. A little competition can be good for both story and drama purposes. It can also give some balance.

or He just a Giga Chad like Anos Voldigoad . and I' just realized I'm gonna rename my Character to Anos

 

[sixart]

or He just a Giga Chad like Anos Voldigoad . and I' just realized I'm gonna rename my Character to Anos

As in anus ?

 

[ChipLecsap]

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