VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[lipe2410]

I wanna see Envy as she make breakfast for her kid, and then she goes to work and serve a client.

Hey, replace "a client" for MC and i'm all down for that I rather finally meet my stepson Timmy than any new sidefuck (exception to Carolyn)

 

[sixart]

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Plus when Bella has her eyez on you...
you are doomed...

You better run... !

 

[ename144]

Is that so? Not so long ago we had a nice back and forth, about fillers because how the story does not move forward , with the unnecessary DnG, and parties , unnecessary lewd scenes with Madam.
And now, We are at the phase, that Girls who been rejected, or they rejected MC , personal life should been shown, to show as how their life is after that, with out the MC.

Interesting 180 turn. Hey, you know what you guys won, 50 episode it is then, to make sure each character, get the proper treatment, and healthy and fine after their encounter with MC.
I want details, I want to see the set up, how they meet, I want sex scenes, I want everything. each character should be the individual hero of its own story. In Each path.

similarity is not enough, we want Same exact same approach as a Tv show. I wanna see Envy as she make breakfast for her kid, and then she goes to work and serve a client.

Again, I think this is a bit unfair. Obviously adding scenes *for the point* of having more scenes is a bad thing. But that's why discussing a hypothetical, context-free lewd scene between Josy and Lucas is a meaningless exercise. The context is the thing that would make or break the scene.

We need scenes that inform us about the characters, advance their story, or control the 'pace' of the story (meaning you sometimes need intermediate scenes to illustrate a gradual process or lighten/darken the mood). Ideally, each scene would do multiple of those, but they all need to do at least one.

Can a pseudo-NTR scene with a girl serve any of those purposes? I would argue yes, at least under the right circumstances. Bella remains the most obvious example, because it could clarify what the fuck happened with her husband AND raise the stakes for MCs on her path. Zoey is another possibility: as said, if we saw Zoey break up with her new boyfriend because she realized what she lost with the MC, that would drive home how she was changes by her time in San Diego. Sage is yet another example. How much more impact Sage's fury in Episode 6 would have had if we'd actually seen Chad kiss her previously? It would make her sense of betrayal much more visceral because we'd have seen how Chad led her along. As is, feels more like Sage has been deluding herself for months/years.

Of course it's perfectly possible to use those sorts of scenes badly. I'd argue the Emma/Bret scene in the Interlude was a complete waste for all the reasons you say. But that's because it has no narrative purpose: it's hard to care about Emma after the shit she pulled and we're probably never going to see these characters again. All we needed here was to convey how this affected Zoey, and a few quick lines could have done that. So I'm definitely not recommending we delve into the minutiae of every rejected girl's love life just to up the lewd count. I just think DPC has been gun-shy about adding that sort of content even when it could help the story.

i mentioned it a while ago but i'll say it again since it being discussed, i think Quinn's music stands out to me the most in her scenes. a character you arent even supposed to like, but the music and ambiance and her subtle expressions with MC all combine so well to show the walls coming down little by little

I certainly understand where your coming from, but I find it a bit annoying. To me, the game is trying way too hard to make me sympathize with Quinn despite her having done nothing to earn that sympathy. It feels manipulative.

Still, the music *is* very good and I know plenty of people disagree with me on Quinn.

 

[Cabin Fever]

no.
This has excellent looking renders and fap material. THAT is why. The story is stupid.

While I agree the story isn't entirely realistic and definitely won't win any Nobel Prize in Literature, it's still probably close to if not in the top tier of AVN stories.

 

[LizaS]

Can someone spoil me about the relationship between the mc' mom and jill? Im actually braindead

Not related, though may have known Jill's family.

This is probably the most logical answer. With the current information inhand.

i mentioned it a while ago but i'll say it again since it being discussed, i think Quinn's music stands out to me the most in her scenes. a character you arent even supposed to like, but the music and ambiance and her subtle expressions with MC all combine so well to show the walls coming down little by little

I don't know if anyone has had said this but, if you are on Quinn's path, she has the best character development in the game. Her and the MC aren't even in a relationship yet.
Sage, on or off-early path, is probably second behind Quinn.

no.
This has excellent looking renders and fap material. THAT is why. The story is stupid.

I won't say it's stupid, but definitely heaven compared to all other AVNs out there. This is the most realistic you'll ever get. Especially, in this kind of genre.

Is that so? Not so long ago we had a nice back and forth, about fillers because how the story does not move forward , with the unnecessary DnG, and parties , unnecessary lewd scenes with Madam.

unnecessary DnG

Agree with everything, except the DnG. People don't realize that you just don't have to settle with building your relationship with the love interests, but you also have to do it with friends as well. Granted, Sally isn't an LI yet. But, maybe she becomes one in the future and helping her win in DnGs might be one of the ways to be with her. Maybe also being friends with Magnar will be important in the future, who knows?
Remember, DPC included RPs for the nerds.

I think DnG is a bonding experience, not just only for the nerds but for Maya, Josy, and Jill. Just like what we've seen in the latest DnG. I think, it's important and also fun. Fun to see the LIs in costumes way before the Halloween party. Important, just like in the very first DnG, if you attempt to save Jill, she kisses you after the game and you earn +1 RP. It's great!

 

[Arigon]

Can someone spoil me about the relationship between the mc' mom and jill? Im actually braindead

Sisters!
You can take that to the BANK!

 

[den_tiger]

Can someone spoil me about the relationship between the mc' mom and jill? Im actually braindead

Unknown. We'll find out in season 4.

 

[PashafromRussia]

In any case, even if there is some element of NTR with another ex-LI, I am sure that the game will allow us to avoid it, as it was with Carolyn and Emma. With Carolyn, we could not open the door, but with Emma, it's enough for us to behave harshly.

 

[Ilhares]

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we can agree to disagree.

Even better yet, you can simply not give a fuck what he thinks, then no agreement is required. Problem solved!

Can someone spoil me about the relationship between the mc' mom and jill? Im actually braindead

Zero. None. No relationship at all. I'll bet 50 cents on it. (I'm poor!)

 

[NebulousShooter]

Is that so? Not so long ago we had a nice back and forth, about fillers because how the story does not move forward , with the unnecessary DnG, and parties , unnecessary lewd scenes with Madam.
And now, We are at the phase, that Girls who been rejected, or they rejected MC , personal life should been shown, to show as how their life is after that, with out the MC.

Interesting 180 turn. Hey, you know what you guys won, 50 episode it is then, to make sure each character, get the proper treatment, and healthy and fine after their encounter with MC.
I want details, I want to see the set up, how they meet, I want sex scenes, I want everything. each character should be the individual hero of its own story. In Each path.

similarity is not enough, we want Same exact same approach as a Tv show. I wanna see Envy as she make breakfast for her kid, and then she goes to work and serve a client.

I think you are just picking the most extreme examples just to prove your point, I don't want to say you are strawmanning the others, but you kinda are.

Showing Bella kiss her husband would not add more episodes, but it would have made that flashback more believable and to use your argument about only being relevant only if is/will affect the MC, it would accentuate that dynamic between Bella & MC vs Bella & James, when James comes back, at least from a dramatic point of view.


Showing Zoey try it with someone else would have emphasized her realization at the end, aka the whole point of the Interlude and Emma's character, if that's your stroke.

Showing Sage have something with Chad would have alleviated stupid questions like did they ever sleep together, did they even kiss? If not how did Sage not pick up on Chad's sexual orientation for 3 years?!


None of those instances would have added more episodes since we already had flashbacks in game and hell, for the feint of heart, you don't even have to show most, or any of this, just mention it. Circling back to my initial point a couple of posts back, you can argue that it doesn't change anything for you, but what you can't argue is that the story is not weaker, less believable, disjointed at times by their absence.

Another thing that is not up for debated is why DPC is dancing around the bush and completely avoiding it last minute. I do believe(hope) that the Carolyn scene was him testing the waters and not that she is out of our grasp forever...

 

[Ilhares]

It would have been sexier and more comical if some nectar had been shown to ooze out of her honeypot and into a long drool almost touching the TV girl's fingertip or am I being too kinky

Oh, you're not wrong, but I am a terrible artist, so I don't attempt to adjust the original artists work.

 

[felicemastronzo]

You have to differentiate. A review is there so that we as players can better understand the characters in the game. So it's not a waste of time.

But when the MC was at EP7's HOT party, for example, it would have been a waste of time and unrealistic for DPC to show us what Tommy, Rusty, Jamie, and Leon were doing at the time. Realism would have been lost because the MC can't be in two places at once in the present, so it would have been a waste of time to create scenes for Tommy, Rusty, Jamie, and Leon. Through a text message from Jamie to the MC, we know what Jamie and Leon are doing. They are going to a bar. But do we also need to see what they are doing there?

Again to NTR. How many people in this world cheat on their relationship partner without them knowing? Many. In real life, very few people know about it, so they don't know anything about being cheated on, because you can't be in two places at once. So such scenes are not necessary until the MC catches a LI or Side Girl inflagrantie.

But are you responding to me?

who said I want to know what every single character is doing at every moment of the day? I don't seem to have said that...
what cheating are you talking about?

anyway we are not MC, we are the viewers of a story, everything we need to understand the story is shown to us whether MC knows it too or not.

if Bella looks like a madwoman talking to the dead because you can't show a kiss, a cuddle, a hug with her husband for me there is a problem. then probably the problem is also and in large part in the audience of the game, but the problem remains

 

[ChipLecsap]

if Bella looks like a madwoman talking to the dead because you can't show a kiss, a cuddle, a hug with her husband for me there is a problem. then probably the problem is also and in large part in the audience of the game, but the problem remains

Have you considered that May Be she is a madwoman ? and its that exactly the implication DPC wants to give you?!
Lostanddamned, has this theory that, She basically hallucinating the whole conversation with her husband

 

[felicemastronzo]

Have you considered that May Be she is a madwoman ? and its that exactly the implication DPC wants to give you?!
Lostanddamned, has this theory that, She basically hallucinating the whole conversation with her husband

it could be, and as much as it should be a crazy theory, it really isn't because of how strange that flashback is

we shall see, but until then I will continue to believe that it is just a scene made aseptic and asexual so as not to disturb the sensibilities of the patreons

 

[bluehound36]

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Is it only a special render or will it be a scene in the next update? Cause Josy working in the pink rose would be hot.

 

[Tserriednich'sNen]

Is it only a special render or will it be a scene in the next update? Cause Josy working in the pink rose would be hot.

It's just a special render, not an in game preview. A preview would list the episode it'll be in.

 

[mindern]

Have you considered that May Be she is a madwoman ? and its that exactly the implication DPC wants to give you?!
Lostanddamned, has this theory that, She basically hallucinating the whole conversation with her husband

Done properly… I’d be on board with this because it flips the situation on its head. Instead of him being the vulnerable student and her the teacher preying on him. She’s the vulnerable one.

Don’t get me wrong. I think there’s little in the script to support it but these kinda games are a little… laissez faire with stuff like consent or whether it’s appropriate to start relationships with vulnerable people. If DPC had the stones (and writing ability) to flip it and maturely deal with this kinda situation it would be unique as fuck… and finally make that warning at the start worth a damn.

 

[okarin38]

Holy Z--- is the one but a fricking post and jealousy ruin it.

 

[N7]

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I was going to work on art this week, but I continued writing and couldn't stop myself. I've been writing different scenes with many different characters. I have been focusing on making sure most events of the episode are in place, even if they aren't fully written yet.

I keep adding stuff I want to see in the episode, and I'm working with a cast of 70+ characters that need screen time - so it is a challenge when it comes to limiting ideas and scenes while also piecing together parallel storylines.

I've said in the past that I'm trying to make the episode smaller than episode 8 - because the trend so far is that each episode gets bigger and bigger. I've realized that it's too hard for me to do that for episode 9 in some areas.

Currently, the writing of episode 9 is at ~90% in size compared to episode 8. I believe nearly all events are mapped out now, give or take a handful.

I have 43 scenes, ranging from short to long, left to write, or complete writing. This is why I believe I will overshoot the episode 8 size in terms of writing.
I have barely started writing phone content, so this also remains in the writing department.

At the moment, I believe I'm unlikely to overshoot the animation count, but the render count might be close to that of episode 8. Time will tell what the size will be.

You'll likely be very happy if you wish for a content-filled episode that requires more than five playthroughs to see everything.

When it comes to art, I estimate that 80% of the environments needed for the episode are designed and have the lighting in place; this usually takes a lot of time. Similarly, I estimate that 90% of the characters needed for the episode have their costumes/wardrobe decided and prepared to be imported into the scenes. I'm confident that art production will take off fast once I return to it.

I will continue letting the flow decide what I'm working on next week.

On the animation front, PCs are chugging on. Two workstations are rendering two rather long animations, and they have been at it for 14 days each. Previewing the work they've done with these long animations, they were worth the time spent rendering.

95 animations are fully produced.

Poll news
In this week's poll, option 4 was the winning option and will be featured in episode 9 as Riona's Halloween costume.

Thanks for voting!

Have a nice weekend

Dr PinkCake

 

[Pennel]

Poll news
In this week's poll, option 4 was the winning option and will be featured in episode 9 as Riona's Halloween costume.

Dr PinkCake

What were the other options? I must've missed the poll post if it was posted here.