VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[SomboSteel]

Yeh, I honestly can Say, that the story is not weaker, neither less realistic because of it.
In fact,what would be more realistic, that you would probably never see Maya and Josy , let alone getting involved in Maya's family problem, after she Rejected you ..if you aim for "realism ", this what realism is.

Even Elena pointing this out, you think it's a good idea to stay friend with those who used to date with only to no longer date?. .
And " Realistically " you also are not a witness of you ex- sex life. Unless she end up as a pornstar..
so you kind of put yourself in a corner. Because it's actually realistic that you dont see these character personal love life, if you are not witnessing it, while you physically there.

so what should it be? realism or fiction? and then if it's Fiction, then it's waste of resource and development time, to see some lovey dovey scene between characters that you are not interested in. All that takes away time, from seeing your own character wiht the chracter you ARE intrested.

so Yeah I'm honest, and honestly say, the game is not weaker because of it

meh, there are already plenty of scenes that we the players see that MC doesnt. flashbacks, the whole interlude, random stuff with Burke leering at his computer, etc.

i dont think its a stronger story when the "relationships" feel totally like they are in title only, Quinn's girls are hookers in title only, and basically everyone in the prime of their youth on a college campus are either girls who are celibate/virginal/lesbian or guys who are disinterested in all the other attractive and rather easy girls around them or are Tybalt levels of pathetic (but man at least he showed interest in the obvious catch that Jill is and took some initiative, as ill-fated and morally questionable as it was).

the game definitely comes off like a harem game, but DPC will never allow that and we know it. so it feels like he just wants to have his cake and eat it too. there doesnt need to be NTR and cheating and cucking and whatever other fetishes are out there, but it could use more fleshed out characters in a game that is completely character driven. IMO it would only strengthen the story and show DPC isnt afraid to tell grown up stories in the adult VN genre

 

[felicemastronzo]

If her husband James had died, some people in the BaDIK world would probably know. For example, in EP3, Jade told Stephen when they were arguing that Isabella was in love, of course, because she was married. If Isabella was widowed, that would be in her personnel file and Stephen and probably Jade would know about it.

the same people who never warned Mc that Jade was Sage's stepmother, there is a strong cult of privacy at BR

 

[NebulousShooter]

Yeh, I honestly can Say, that the story is not weaker, neither less realistic because of it.
In fact,what would be more realistic, that you would probably never see Maya and Josy , let alone getting involved in Maya's family problem, after she Rejected you ..if you aim for "realism ", this what realism is.

Even Elena pointing this out, you think it's a good idea to stay friend with those who used to date with only to no longer date?. .
And " Realistically " you also are not a witness of you ex- sex life. Unless she end up as a pornstar..
so you kind of put yourself in a corner. Because it's actually realistic that you dont see these character personal love life, if you are not witnessing it, while you physically there.

so what should it be? realism or fiction? and then if it's Fiction, then it's waste of resource and development time, to see some lovey dovey scene between characters that you are not interested in. All that takes away time, from seeing your own character wiht the chracter you ARE intrested.

so Yeah I'm honest, and honestly say, the game is not weaker because of it

You mean stay friends like you already do with Maya and Josy after ep4, because DPC needs everyone to? Do you think it wouldn't be weird to keep running into them, because DPC needs everyone still connected, but see zero affection between them 'because it doesn't affect the MC'? Copy and paste the same question to everyone in the main cast and tell me its not bizarre that the MC is the only one that is not asexual, in a visual novel with adult themes. News flash Adults hump each other

I keep remembering a quote from an interview from a local gaming magazine I've read when I was little. The rough translation would be something along the lines of 'Even in the most the most wild fantasy water still flows'. Does that always apply, not really, the point is that you should at least try to keep your story somewhat grounded. We do play a porn game, but we also have other elements that ground the story, we still have laws, finances, religion all making the story more believable etc.

Honestly the argument about wasted resources is so subjective that it cannot be won against, especially since you seem hellbent on grouping everyone together in the 'show extensive scenes', when all everyone is asking is some mention of something.

A few lines here, a few renders there, I wouldn't want either seeing a full blown sex scene about any of the characters.
But I wouldn't mind it either as long as it further develops their character. Game of Thrones, the most gratuitous show in recent memory still had sex scenes that where instrumental in establishing major character traits in the story such as the Theon and Little Finger in s1. But that ship has sailed, its clear we will never have tv show/movie type interaction in this genre, and here is the kicker, none was arguing for anything like that, its just you that seems to lump everything and everyone in that category...


I'll just drop the subject, since we seem to be running into circles and after the recent shitshow that has been plaguing some of the major threads in the past few days, on NTR adjacent topics, I want none of that shit. Agree to disagree o/

 

[ChipLecsap]

meh, there are already plenty of scenes that we the players see that MC doesnt. flashbacks, the whole interlude, random stuff with Burke leering at his computer, etc.

and we back to square one again . blurring the lines, the layers, and considering everything as in the same context.

Jill having a sushi dinner with her friend no matter what, but only relevant if MC is part of , that's when we see it. Even if her friend later showed up at her concert. But we did not see that dinner did we ? only on Jill path.
This the context where the personal life of different love interest belong.

 

[NebulousShooter]

and we back to square one again . blurring the lines, the layers, and considering everything as in the same context.

Jill having a sushi dinner with her friend no matter what, but only relevant if MC is part of , that's when we see it. Even if her friend later showed up at her concert. But we did not see that dinner did we ? only on Jill path.
This the context where the personal life of different love interest belong.

Honestly, I might be wrong, but to me those types of events are more like gameplay superseding the story moments, which you cannot have a game without gameplay differences based on your choices.

Just DPC offering variation based on your choices and 'paths' rather than the grand conspiracy of avoiding controversial content that we have been theorizing about. Again, I might read them wrong ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[ChipLecsap]

Honestly, I might be wrong, but to me those types of events are more like gameplay superseding the story moments, which you cannot have a game without gameplay differences based on your choices.

Just DPC offering variation based on your choices and 'paths' rather than the grand conspiracy of avoiding controversial content that we have been theorizing about. Again, I might read them wrong ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

marvelous how people constantly flip flopping.
not Seeing Jill with her friend what could been the so desired " expand the character beyond MC ", now is a game play mechanism, and not the "dont exist to avoid the controversial content ".

it's really just about you want to see NTR don't you? Either for fetish, or just so you could use it as a Troll subject, to troll other with it.

 

[dalli_x]

meh, there are already plenty of scenes that we the players see that MC doesnt. flashbacks, the whole interlude, random stuff with Burke leering at his computer, etc.

That's why you should differentiate what you see. All the flashbacks and interludes are important for us as players to see a context. But it is not what the MC sees or experiences. We players are part reader of the story and part MC, in one person. This should not be mixed.

Example: Reader of the story
The sex scene of Josy and Maya at the beginning of EP6. As MC we can't see this scene, only as reader of the story. But why does DPC show us this scene? It is a shock for all Josy and Maya fans. They have sex with each other, but this scene doesn't show any deeper feelings between Josy and Maya. The fire of their love was about to go out and it's really just about sex. This is what DPC wanted to convey to us as readers of the story.

Example: MC
At the EP8 concert at Jill's, the MC is actively involved and is also the reason Josy and Maya really fall in love again and the fire of their love never goes out. The two hold hands in love and look at the MC in love. This is something that our MC should experience.

the game definitely comes off like a harem game, but DPC will never allow that and we know it. so it feels like he just wants to have his cake and eat it too. there doesnt need to be NTR and cheating and cucking and whatever other fetishes are out there, but it could use more fleshed out characters in a game that is completely character driven. IMO it would only strengthen the story and show DPC isnt afraid to tell grown up stories in the adult VN genre

The game, and I agree, seems to be a harem play. But it's not, because DPC told us right at the beginning of the play what it's about.

It's about the family.

Family definitely includes kinship. But it doesn't have to be the MC's kin. So we have to keep in mind that the MC can only go one way at a time. But we as players can go multiple ways by playing BaDIK a second, third, or fourth time differently. But with the different paths, the MC only ever has one path, whether it is MJ, Jill, etc.... is. That's the whole point. The LIs are becoming more and more exclusive. Haven't you ever wondered why it's so hard to fuck Jill as a player of the MC? Josy is the answer.

Josy = J or S = Jill or Sage (EP6 Hangout), Josy or Sage (EP7 HOT Party)​

Jojo = J or Jo = Jill or Josy (EP8 Dorm Party)​

We have a choice between Josy and Sage. Who says the MC is necessarily related to the Burkes? What if Josy and Sage are related to the Burkes and therefore the choice must be between Josy and Sage because only one of the family can get the MC? The same is true for Jill and Josy. It depends on which path we as players chose for our MC.

This could be why we are not supposed to know who Josy's mother is and DPC creates the branches in EP9 because the paths of the MC were set in EP8. The game has these variables, as well as the variable of what affinity the MC has. Because of these variables, the game can tell what familial relational structure the characters in the game can (may) have.

 

[NebulousShooter]

marvelous how people constantly flip flopping.
not Seeing Jill with her friend what could been the so desired " expand the character beyond MC ", now is a game play mechanism, and not the "dont exist to avoid the controversial content ".

Honestly that example didn't even cross my mind since I don't see it in the same realm of discussion with the other situations mentioned. What do we actually learn on the Jill date? That she didn't bring anyone home, we already could deduce that from previous discussions, we learn the Turtle Jill nickname, Bianca is not even a secondary character. Hell even the 'House' plot point is Jill path only, so If DPC doesn't consider that plot important enough for the general story, at least for now, then for sure the Bianca date is not...so thats why I didn't even think of it.

We learn absolutely nothing of value to the general story, nothing new about Jill's character, some exposition about some minor characters aka perfect content for path specific gameplay. The same can't be said about all the mentioned situations with Sage, Bella and Zoey.

it's really just about you want to see NTR don't you? Either for fetish, or just so you could use it as a Troll subject, to troll other with it.

I consider you pretty smart, thats why I even bothered debating this topic, I'm actually surprised we can't seem to find middle ground between what you are saying and what the others and I are saying...Maybe I'm the one getting trolled , or maybe you deliberately jump to extremes to 'win' the argument.

 

[dalli_x]

Honestly that example didn't even cross my mind since I don't see it in the same realm of discussion with the other situations mentioned. What do we actually learn on the Jill date? That she didn't bring anyone home, we already could deduce that from previous discussions, we learn the Turtle Jill nickname, Bianca is not even a secondary character. Hell even the 'House' plot point is Jill path only, so If DPC doesn't consider that plot important enough for the general story, at least for now, then for sure the Bianca date is not...so thats why I didn't even think of it.

We learn absolutely nothing of value to the general story, nothing new about Jill's character, some exposition about some minor characters aka perfect content for path specific gameplay. The same can't be said about all the mentioned situations with Sage, Bella and Zoey.

If the MC is not on Jill's path, but Jill is important to the MC's story, DPC had to find a way for the MC to bring Bianca or House Royce into play. I think I found that way out. It's the concert.

Jill's friends and her mother are in attendance and see the MC in person helping Jill. But why is this important to the MC. Jill could do what she did before for the MC. She is committed to the MC.

Jamie made a video that Jill wants. That's what it says in the Rooster. What if Jill, unbeknownst to the MC, shows this video to someone and that person becomes interested in the MC. It doesn't have to have anything to do with the MC's family. But Jill's connections will be exclusive and a meeting, for example with a music producer (Bianca's father Geoff) or Jill's father, will take place at Royce's house.

This could be used to make the connection.

 

[Redd23]

Why do you assume that James is dead?

If her husband James had died, some people in the BaDIK world would probably know. For example, in EP3, Jade told Stephen when they were arguing that Isabella was in love, of course, because she was married. If Isabella was widowed, that would be in her personnel file and Stephen and probably Jade would know about it.

I assume James is still alive and there was a separation, which could be for many reasons. My personal favorite in this regard is speculative, as DPC has not written anything concrete and has only hinted. A plane crash offers both possibilities without being mutually exclusive. James is missing because his body was not found after the crash. So Isabella doesn't know if James is still alive or not. Her personnel files are not changed. This could be Isabella's dilemma. Does she have her husband declared dead or not? Does she take off her wedding ring for the MC or does she still have hope that a missing James is alive and put her wedding ring back on.

I assumed that for the sake of this theory of "imaginary James". Him being still alive makes whole theory less believable (and it's not really believable in the begining anyway ), because Bella would have to start creating James as her imaginary companion without going through any major drama (well the drama would be that he left her, so it's not really convincing).
But as I said - it's just one of this crazy theories that have more "if" than any actual reasoning - especially since imaginary James seems like a ghost fantasy story
Regarding unknown fate of James - that would make the most sense out of any possible solution, since Bella is torn between being loyal and abandoning any hope for his return and moving on. As Sage was looking for the closure of Chad issue, Bella can't get one with James. So this is by far the most logical explanation for me (even though it does not exactly connect with MC's words "I would scream for help"), but I still like the "imaginary James" theory

How do I get into a plane crash? In EP8, Derek's paper plane crashes into Isabella. At the dorm party, we see not only pictures of drones on Magnar's right-hand information board, but also a picture of a plane in a storm.

This is a perfect dose of unexpected logic that I needed on Monday morning

 

[PashafromRussia]

I don't understand these conversations about NTR at all. Pink gives us enough hints and information that girls fuck on the side and are not nuns. Moreover, we have several renders of Johnny Boy and Elena fucking, and Jacob touching a white bitch's ass. Basically, all this is served through dialogues, and not through an image of the process - this is the best option that allows you to talk about it without spending additional resources.
The problem with LI seems to me somewhat far-fetched. I think we will have one chance to change the love interest and at this stage it is pointless to talk about their future somehow. Even if the girls start dating someone at a later stage, we should not care about it. Because thanks to branching, other girls will be excluded from the branch of the chosen girl and you will lose all previous chemistry to them, focusing on building deeper relationships. I think at some stage MC will be able to bring LI's exes together with her friends.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Honestly that example didn't even cross my mind since I don't see it in the same realm of discussion with the other situations mentioned. What do we actually learn on the Jill date? That she didn't bring anyone home, we already could deduce that from previous discussions, we learn the Turtle Jill nickname, Bianca is not even a secondary character. Hell even the 'House' plot point is Jill path only, so If DPC doesn't consider that plot important enough for the general story, at least for now, then for sure the Bianca date is not...so thats why I didn't even think of it.

We learn absolutely nothing of value to the general story, nothing new about Jill's character, some exposition about some minor characters aka perfect content for path specific gameplay. The same can't be said about all the mentioned situations with Sage, Bella and Zoey.

Sad, because it is pretty much the same, story.
The argument people use, is that it would add more to the characters if we see them getting together with someone else. But somehow, if we see Jill in environment we have not seen it before and see her with her friends, characters who may or may not play a role later on, somehow absolutly add nothing to Jill character.
It's only work if it's some "love story " or sex scene ?!

My statement is clear from day one. if MC running into Sage and her new boyfriend, its not a big deal, we all together they may even kiss, who care. But Why we should see indivudal scene between Sage and Her new boyfriend ? How that would Be diferent than seeing Jill with her friends? What we did not see, and still happened.

If this is about learning and expanding the characters beyond MC, then why its only matter if it's somehow has to be about their relationship toward an another guy or girl ?

I'm probably not as smart as you think I was , because somehow I can't seem to connect the dots. But ,I'm flattered ,that you thought I Am , thx

 

[ChipLecsap]

I don't understand these conversations about NTR at all. Pink gives us enough hints and information that girls fuck on the side and are not nuns. Moreover, we have several renders of Johnny Boy and Elena fucking, and Jacob touching a white bitch's ass. Basically, all this is served through dialogues, and not through an image of the process - this is the best option that allows you to talk about it without spending additional resources.
The problem with LI seems to me somewhat far-fetched. I think we will have one chance to change the love interest and at this stage it is pointless to talk about their future somehow. Even if the girls start dating someone at a later stage, we should not care about it. Because thanks to branching, other girls will be excluded from the branch of the chosen girl and you will lose all previous chemistry to them, focusing on building deeper relationships. I think at some stage MC will be able to bring LI's exes together with her friends.

Well, I guess if you don't see it it didn't happen. I guess that is the main motivation factor for the peoples.

 

[ivanjoseph072]

Whether or not death happens, considering DPC thought we'd expect a fun and happy love story due to his previous work (you know, despite all the drama surrounding the game), then the drama incoming for BADIK must be at another level. We'd better get ready for the moment shit hits the fan. It's probably happening sooner than we'd like.

how to download ?

 

[NebulousShooter]

I don't understand these conversations about NTR at all. Pink gives us enough hints and information that girls fuck on the side and are not nuns. Moreover, we have several renders of Johnny Boy and Elena fucking, and Jacob touching a white bitch's ass. Basically, all this is served through dialogues, and not through an image of the process - this is the best option that allows you to talk about it without spending additional resources.
The problem with LI seems to me somewhat far-fetched. I think we will have one chance to change the love interest and at this stage it is pointless to talk about their future somehow. Even if the girls start dating someone at a later stage, we should not care about it. Because thanks to branching, other girls will be excluded from the branch of the chosen girl and you will lose all previous chemistry to them, focusing on building deeper relationships. I think at some stage MC will be able to bring LI's exes together with her friends.

All those examples are not LI, thats the point, DPC is not afraid of showing random dicks in bathroom stalls, what he is beyond obvious doing on purpose is avoiding anything related to the LI which makes the contrast with what you pointed out the more obvious. That was the entire point of this discussion from the get go...

If you really think the new branching is anything other than post ep4 Maya & Josy 'branching' minus one random fucking scene, add one LI centric scene instead, you are more optimistic than I am.

There is no way NOW we could avoid Maya and Josy like people cried for months after the reveal and every other LI we reject until the end of the game. Everyone will still be as part of the story as ever before and if DPC sticks to his S1-2 style, there is no way there will be any hint of LI moving on, living their own lives independent of MC's dick, not until the epilogue. I'd like to be wrong, so you can bookmark this post to tell me I was wrong and you told me so!

Sad, because it is pretty much the same, story.
The argument people use, is that it would add more to the characters if we see them getting together with someone else. But somehow, if we see Jill in environment we have not seen it before and see her with her friends, characters who may or may not play a role later on, somehow absolutly add nothing to Jill character.
It's only work if it's some "love story " or sex scene ?!

My statement is clear from day one. if MC running into Sage and her new boyfriend, its not a big deal, we all together they may even kiss, who care. But Why we should see indivudal scene between Sage and Her new boyfriend ? How that would Be diferent than seeing Jill with her friends? What we did not see, and still happened.

If this is about learning and expanding the characters beyond MC, then why its only matter if it's somehow has to be about their relationship toward an another guy or girl ?

I'm probably not as smart as you think I was , because somehow I can't seem to connect the dots. But ,I'm flattered ,that you thought I Am , thx

I didn't mean that now I don't think you are smart anymore, or anything like that, poor choice of words on my part, I apologize for that, I'm just a little butt-hurt that we can't seem to understand each other, its like we type in different languages.


Its not that only sex scenes mater its that those scenes happen to be sexual in nature and again, in my opinion, its purposely evaded. As a main Sage guy I care to know if Sage is a retard that spend 3 years pretending to be in a relationship with a guy she never even kissed, it changes my perspective about her character a bit.

Never was part of any 3letter discussion before and now I understand why everyone avoids them like the plague, people tend to generalize and jump into extreme tribalism.
If I expect to have a more life-like game world, or have a proper rival/villain in the story, I get grouped with people that enjoy sharing their girlfriends somehow , I swear its like IRL politics, just -100 or 100, nothing inbetween.

The only VN I've ever played : Artemis, Chasing Sunsets, Leap of Fate, Being a Dik, Acting Lessons, Intertwined, as you can see I clearly do not look for any fetish other the the fetish of playing a decent story.


The last time I try to make my points clear, can we move on to some dalli_x theorycrafting, this is no fun

 

[LizaS]

 

[PashafromRussia]

My options are Quinn endings.

1) Positive. Quinn becomes a witness in a case against drug trafficking and prostitution.

2) Neutral. She runs from the campus from the police and spends her whole life on the run.

3) Bad. Quinn breaks down, becomes a psychopath and beats up Riona. She is exposed, put in prison, where no one visits her.

 

[felicemastronzo]

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and for Bella?

and for the trouple?


For DPC, the tablets of Abraham's law are not enough...

 

[PashafromRussia]

My versions of Bella's ending.

1) Positive. Bella and MС get married, James returns and becomes a good friend. Jill becomes a bridesmaid. MС becomes a teacher at the college, and Bella becomes the director of the college.

2) Neutral. MС and Bella break up due to the fact that MС finishes college and goes to another city.

3) Bad. The age difference is becoming more and more obvious. Bella develops jealousy and begins to control Tremolo. Bella, out of jealousy, cuts Jill with an axe and ends up in a mental hospital.

 

[Arigon]

Laws of DPC

1-Strong Athletic Man can not carry 2 small women under his arms in an adrenaline charged situation, so one MUST DIE
2- Drama for the sake of Drama is the one reliable tool in the box
3- Sure, DPC said 20 episodes, he really meant 2 more episodes.
4- MC must have the cock of a horse, regardless of story
5- No Thruples shall survive-see rule 1
6- Quinn is NOT a love interest, and will likely die with a needle and a bullet, with MC jiz in her tummy ass and pussy.
7- Jill is the AUNT
8- James will shoot the MC, and Bella will full on bury an Axe into James' head before realizing it is him, she will visit the MC daily in the hospital and then visit a mental institution, so Jade will take over as the MC's main love interest, sharing her daughter with the MC until a horrible house fire, set by Stephen and her troll son engulfs either mother or daughter, as the MC is a pussy and can't carry them both out, though Jade's boobs are epic and heavy..... see rule 1.
9- Wendy is pregnant
10- The dudes on this page will either get the humor or flame this post..... my guess is the latter!

Peace