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the Interlude disproves that perspective. as well as some flashbacks that have nothing to do with MC in the slightest. and for those reasons alone if there were intimate scenes in the past (between say Bella and her husband) that would provide a meaningful contrast to her personality to when MC meets her, they actually can and should be shown. just like it should have been shown that Zoey was playing the field in San Diego and that she a lot of mediocre to bad experiences that helped her realize how she felt about the MC.

just because DPC is too afraid to commit to showing how actual relationships work, doesnt mean it was actually the right decision for the narrative he is trying to sell us. you dont have to agree with that, and you can gain more enjoyment from the psuedo-harem fantasy that this game tries to present. more power to you if thats the case. but allowing DPC to collectively put our heads in the sand to avoid talking about "the scary stuff" that keeps the anti-NTR brigade up at night is doing the story and all of us readers a disservice. especially if its all just for DPC selling out to get even more money
And that's why it was an interlude and probably the least popular update so far.
I doubt intimate scenes of the past would provide anything to the readers except for the minority of people who want those scenes, tho their fights or argumentative talks can provide a little insight to some extent or prabably there is more to the story coming in the future and considering this is a VN, implication of some hints are probably enough for the secondary characters .
I think you're in the wrong place if you want to see "how actual relationships work", It's creator's fantasy story written by them, which according to them is pleasing for them to write and majority to read with business perspective in mind, not winning Oscars for it. And like Hank21 said You cannot dissuade people of the opinion that Being a DIK has a decent/good story. It's just comparably better or one of best out there in the world of 3D VNs, else most of the plot here wouldn't make sense in a normal novel or a normal movie.
I wouldn't accuse Creator of "selling out" without having any proof of what original story, if any, the creator intended to produce other than this. It comes out as whiny since you didn't got what you wanted or had in mind. You have to understand, at the end, the creator is doing exactly what they started out as. You can't expect them to serve only you or a minority of people and waste the resources on side scenes which have very little to no effect on the protagonist as character or his relationship or his story. This is just my 2 cent on this.
 
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the Interlude disproves that perspective. as well as some flashbacks that have nothing to do with MC in the slightest. and for those reasons alone if there were intimate scenes in the past (between say Bella and her husband) that would provide a meaningful contrast to her personality to when MC meets her, they actually can and should be shown. just like it should have been shown that Zoey was playing the field in San Diego and that she a lot of mediocre to bad experiences that helped her realize how she felt about the MC.

just because DPC is too afraid to commit to showing how actual relationships work, doesnt mean it was actually the right decision for the narrative he is trying to sell us. you dont have to agree with that, and you can gain more enjoyment from the psuedo-harem fantasy that this game tries to present. more power to you if thats the case. but allowing DPC to collectively put our heads in the sand to avoid talking about "the scary stuff" that keeps the anti-NTR brigade up at night is doing the story and all of us readers a disservice. especially if its all just for DPC selling out to get even more money
yes however there is risk and risk

Zoey already didn't start out with the crowd's favor, if we had seen her enjoying herself freely in San Diego her position would not have improved. to make such a character work takes a particular narrative sensibility let's say uncommon.

probably, if we ever see them, in the epilogues something like that will be there, i don't think we'll see the LIs piling up cats as their hair grays.

the problem of the past remains, we have 2 out of 5 LIs who are virgins (heterosexually) which is a quota quite out of any statistical sample.
the only one of the other 3 for whom the problem has been resolved quite elegantly is Josy, Maya tells us that she knows what to do with men, that's enough, we don't have to see anything.

but with Bella and especially Sage it is a disaster. with Sage there is really no harmony between what we are told and what we are shown. in the flashback, which takes place more than two years before, we already see a very cold Chad towards her, and this coldness does not allow for pauses, what need was there to reiterate this behavior? already in the present apart from the jealousy there is no moment of tenderness, of complicity between Chad and Sage, they look like husband and wife after 30 years of marriage. but this same Sage is the one who is looking for a fuckbuddy and who gives grades after sex. it is really a tragicomic situation

Bella is simply a confirmation of a fear, not at all authorial, of DPC to agitate his patreons too much. Bella is already a character full of objective difficulties (all unaddressed, but after all we are only halfway through the game, it will be talked about in the next 10 years), dark omens about her future and her health that make her the LI for true believers, she fights it out with Quinn for the highest chance of a bounty hidden not even too well in the grass.
But in spite of this for this fear of other people's peas he has given us a flashback so aseptic and strange that any theory of a "sixth sense" development, however futile, finds no objective grounds for objection
 

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We need to understand the correct meaning of NTR. NTR is short for Netorare. It basically means cheating when you are in a happy relationship.
Dude, only one point: the discussion between Josy & Maya in the library after Jill told them she is dating MC. And that's not the only point in this game. To the LI girls it is always a relationship. MC didn't have to say this. No one have to say "btw babe we're in a relationship now". This game is NTR and those Anti-NTR-Snowflakes deny it for one reason only: even they enjoy this good piece of work and fap to Jill, Josy and Co. Let's face the fact: in their dreams they're loving to be cucked by Quinn. There's nothing and nobody who could prove me wrong.
 

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This game is NTR
Per Maya's request Maya & Josy explicitly don't require the MC (or for that matter themselves) to be exclusive coupling. At least as far as they're concerned MC can bang the entire college, and it won't be cheating.

Sage considers MC to be a fuck buddy with no strings attached. Again, no cheating. She certainly didn't mind another girl recognizing MC's dick during Tybalt's presentation.

Bella and (especially) Jill are somewhat different matter. Both evidently can break up with MC (or refuse to get serious) if Fuckface sticks his dick in other girls.
 

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Dude, only one point: the discussion between Josy & Maya in the library after Jill told them she is dating MC.
MC didn't have to say this. No one have to say "btw babe we're in a relationship now".
Dating doesnt necesarrily include being in a relationship, as sad it is, welcome to the 21th century.
Ofc nobody would say sth like this literally, but it would be just common sense to communicate with the person you are dating if you want to take it more serious.

But lets not polarize all that. Heres my suggestion: If i think sth is not NTR, and you think it is NTR, and we both are good with it... i think we should be fine right? :D
 

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And that's why it was an interlude and probably the least popular update so far.
to the discerning individual, the Interlude was only "bad" because it failed at what it was trying to achieve. if DPC fully committed to actually telling Zoey's story, as opposed to the half assed whatever that we ended up getting, then i believe people in general would be more satisfied with it. conceptually the Interlude is perfectly fine, its the execution that DPC dropped the ball on

I think you're in the wrong place if you want to see "how actual relationships work", It's creator's fantasy story written by them, which according to them is pleasing for them to write and majority to read with business perspective in mind, not winning Oscars for it. And like @Hank21 said You cannot dissuade people of the opinion that Being a DIK has a decent/good story. It's just comparably better or one of best out there in the world of 3D VNs, else most of the plot here wouldn't make sense in a normal novel or a normal movie.
comparing just to AL, the characters and relationships were much more compelling and authentic (for lack of a better word) than their BaDIK counterparts. less obvious stereotypes/tropes, more dealing with "real" problems (looking at you cringeworthy Tybalt blackmail plot), much more real character growth/development. even with the issues that game has, i dont think any character in BaDIK has come close to Liam. so i think its more than fair to compare his current work to his previous work when talking about strengths and flaws. and i already said that people can think the story it good and fun and enjoyable, but they are doing themselves a disservice if they have closed their minds to the possibility that it could be much better than it is as an actual story. there is nothing wrong with constructive criticism and wanting DPC to do better

I wouldn't accuse Creator of "selling out" without having any proof of what original story, if any, the creator intended to produce other than this. It comes out as whiny since you didn't got what you wanted or had in mind. You have to understand, at the end, the creator is doing exactly what they started out as.
now you are making as many assumptions that you say im making. we have a differing opinion here, so we just agree to disagree.

You can't expect them to serve only you or a minority of people and waste the resources on side scenes which have very little to no effect on the protagonist as character or his relationship or his story
the Madame..........
 

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I'm expecting a Halloween party pan animation when the mc walks through the door. Those who have been waiting for the party may sit back, watch the animation and be like, "Fuck yes
That's actually what I was going to do lol. 2 damn years and some change. I'm gonna soak it in.
 
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the Interlude disproves that perspective. as well as some flashbacks that have nothing to do with MC in the slightest. and for those reasons alone if there were intimate scenes in the past (between say Bella and her husband) that would provide a meaningful contrast to her personality to when MC meets her, they actually can and should be shown. just like it should have been shown that Zoey was playing the field in San Diego and that she a lot of mediocre to bad experiences that helped her realize how she felt about the MC.

just because DPC is too afraid to commit to showing how actual relationships work, doesnt mean it was actually the right decision for the narrative he is trying to sell us. you dont have to agree with that, and you can gain more enjoyment from the psuedo-harem fantasy that this game tries to present. more power to you if thats the case. but allowing DPC to collectively put our heads in the sand to avoid talking about "the scary stuff" that keeps the anti-NTR brigade up at night is doing the story and all of us readers a disservice. especially if its all just for DPC selling out to get even more money
I don't understand why he should be afraid of the anti-NTR brigade at all. After all, he can write to them "This is my game, I do my project as I want, I'm an artist, I see it that way. If you don't like it, unsubscribe." As he wrote in response to criticism on Patreon.
Well, 50-100 people will unsubscribe, but again this is a drop in the ocean among his 12k patrons. And he can simply ban the most active screamers and whiners from Discord. Financial losses will be insignificant.
If I were a developer, I think that's what I would do. "You don't like it? You know where the door is."
 

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I don't understand why he should be afraid of the anti-NTR brigade at all. After all, he can write to them "This is my game, I do my project as I want, I'm an artist, I see it that way. If you don't like it, unsubscribe." As he wrote in response to criticism on Patreon.
There's always simple possibility DPC isn't a fan of NTR himself, and that's why he doesn't include what could be considered it in the game. These are all his precious creations and they're only going to get their creator's dick, with little help from MC /s
 
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That's big if and buts. Most people are just less interested in side characters especially if they're not popular and if they contribute very little to the main plot and don't involve protagonist much. And the interlude" is kinda proof of that, being the least popular update.

but they are doing themselves a disservice if they have closed their minds to the possibility that it could be much better than it is as an actual story. there is nothing wrong with constructive criticism and wanting DPC to do better
Everyone's headcanon or what they want seems best to them doesn't mean it will be for the most. And, True, there is nothing wrong with constructive criticisms but it definitely isn't calling the creator "a sellout" or "kneeling to the patreons" without having any proof of what original story, if any, the creator intended to produce other than this when the creator has already answered such question. Like you said let's just agree to disagree.

the Madame..........
It involves protagonist and Milf. So, I doubt most people would have any problem with it.
And Hey! I am a Milf Guy, any amount of Milf is less to me. So, I really can't complain in that regard. Bonus to me. :KEK:
 
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There's always simple possibility DPC isn't a fan of NTR himself, and that's why he doesn't include what could be considered it in the game. These are all his precious creations and they're only going to get their creator's dick, with little help from MC /s
I think this is possibly the case. I can’t remember what else DPC isn’t a fan of, but he stated in one of his Q&A’s that he wouldn’t include certain things because he wasn’t interested in them.

Showing Dawe struggling to fuck Arieth is done for a laugh, showing Elena bouncing off John Boy in random locations is part of who they are, and that’s about it.

DPC’s not interested in explicit gay content, that kiss between Troy and Chad looked so awkward. And we’re probably not gonna see any more of that.

So regarding the past love lives of LIs, what do we need to see? Nothing really.
 
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There's always simple possibility DPC isn't a fan of NTR himself, and that's why he doesn't include what could be considered it in the game. These are all his precious creations and they're only going to get their creator's dick, with little help from MC /s
Maybe it is. But imagine if you add realism to the game. Knowing Zoey personality, her attitude and her psychology... she would have fucked at least five guys during her time in San Diego.
 

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Hi. I'm completely lost on the issue... Do people are requesting scenes of other people than the MC banging during the game or they are just asking the other characters sexual relations could be talked about and be more explicitly presumed to be existent? Because I agree with the latter but not the former... Coherently with what I think about the Interlude (a completely mistake), I don't think it would make any sense for other characters being seen having sex without the MC being in the scene (except for some flashes, like it already happened with Elena and Johnboy having sex during a party, during one of those episode prologues). I think even Maya and Josy's 2nd scene was conceptually a mistake (and not because I'm NTR-averse, but because it changed the POV that was established until then). As for the Interlude, I think it was a mistake, but, since it was telling a story from Zoey's POV and she isn't the most prude of the human beings, it would make perfect sense for her to have sex with other characters -- but only in this situation (i.e., the change on the POV, which I hope won't happen again in the future).
If DPC had Zoey fucking some other dude when she left, then had her realise she wanted to be with the mc after all and return to him, do you really think the snowflakes of this forum could deal with that? Half of them aready hate her guts simply because she needed a sea change after the death of her grandma. If she started fucking other people in the meanwhile, that would be the opposite of trying to endear her to the player.
 

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If DPC had Zoey fucking some other dude when she left, then had her realise she wanted to be with the mc after all and return to him, do you really think the snowflakes of this forum could deal with that? Half of them aready hate her guts simply because she needed a sea change after the death of her grandma. If she started fucking other people in the meanwhile, that would be the opposite of trying to endear her to the player.
I could deal with it. Doesn't really bother me if she's a virgin or if she's fucking every and anything with a pulse. I wouldn't touch her with an hazmat suit and a ten-foot pole. I honestly hate her as much as Jill. The less of her I see, the better.
 
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If DPC had Zoey fucking some other dude when she left, then had her realise she wanted to be with the mc after all and return to him, do you really think the snowflakes of this forum could deal with that? Half of them aready hate her guts simply because she needed a sea change after the death of her grandma. If she started fucking other people in the meanwhile, that would be the opposite of trying to endear her to the player.
Oh, I completely agree with you! But I wasn't thinking about them; I was more like talking what I'd do if I were the storyteller: 1) I wouldn't do the Interlude in the 1st place; 2) In case I were I doing it, I'd go all in and make it more realistic, that is, tell the story of a wild girl, having fun in LA, going to parties and fucking around, and not that half-assed story he gave us.

I think Zoey was a character nobody cared except those that were fond of her looks and/or attitude during the small flashback she appeared. DPC wanted to bring her back to the story and knew most people didn't care about her; so he created the Interlude to make people like her, but failed miserably, because I think those who liked the Interlude were those who already liked her; and those who didn't care about her, couldn't care even less about the Interlude. I think it's even more probable that there were people who liked her but would rather not to have the Interlude than those who started to like her because of the Interlude... I think it backfired... And unless people show up telling me "I used to hate/be indifferent about Zoey, but, after the Interlude, I started to love her!", that's what I'll believe to be the truth (and one or just a few people telling me this doesn't count, because, statistically speaking, the exception proves the rule).
 

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If DPC had Zoey fucking some other dude when she left, then had her realise she wanted to be with the mc after all and return to him, do you really think the snowflakes of this forum could deal with that? Half of them aready hate her guts simply because she needed a sea change after the death of her grandma. If she started fucking other people in the meanwhile, that would be the opposite of trying to endear her to the player.
yes there are some who will hate the interlude regardless, but im positive that plenty of people dont like it because it wasnt an effective story. if it actually showed Zoey experience things, adapt/react/overcome believable problems, interact with other people in even a semi-romantic way to have ANYTHING to compare and contrast to MC then maybe her "growth" and change of heart would actually be believable. people dont like it because it actually feels like a waste of time, we dont see her experience anything and so the whole thing is basically summed up by her inner monologue and we just have to believe how she feels is genuine.

but even then you can do some showing and still not have to show anything super explicit. she never even went out on a date with a single guy the whole time she was out there. have her deal with some dude bro surfers who just want to fuck her and only pretend to be interested, have her date some guys that dont have MC's heart or humor or passion, have her interact with fucking anybody else besides the lame "friends" she gets stuck with for story reasons.

conceptually the Interlude is supposed to help us identify with Zoey, become sympathetic to her situation, and feel the same catharsis she supposedly feels when she shows up with that smile on her face. but it doesnt do that, and thats why people dont like it. and id even argue that thats why people dont like it, even if they themselves arent aware of the reason.
 

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people are weird when you are succesfull at this game... gonna have people who hate some thing and others who love...
 

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Sage and Chad, do we need to see it? Not really, but I'm really curious to know how that lasted so long and how it began in the first place :unsure:
thats what im getting at. we have these characters in established relationships, yet we almost never even see them share screen time with each other. and when we do see them together its weird/awkward. i dont like that character development might be cast aside in order to not upset people with the fact that people in relationships do relationship things together.

with Sage and Chad, its hard to believe their relationship was perfectly fine for the last x years or whatever. i honestly seems like these issues they have now would have come to a head a while ago if it all comes back to lack of intimacy from Chad. its just irritating cause if DPC wants us to believe that they were in fact happy and had something together that was actually worth keeping, then he should show us that occasionally and flesh things out a bit so we can better understand why Sage would be so upset that everything is falling apart (rather then always just having to take the characters at their word that the feelings they have are real and valid).

and as stated before, Bella and her husband have their own similar issues with their portrayal together...

these feel like either narrative shortcuts or the desire to deliberately not show any of the other girls potentially happy with anyone other than MC. its just weird, IMO
 
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