VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [Dr PinkCake]

[mindern]

I always took that scene as a clear indication Quinn was lying to Tommy. If Quinn was willing to slap Riona, I very much doubt she would avoid correctly blaming Riona for the shortfall just to preserve her feelings. To me, the picture we get is that Quinn knows what caused the shortfall, but will not admit it even to her close allies.

The most likely explanation in that case is that Quinn herself is cause, probably by using drugs without paying. We know she uses high quality drugs (at least by her and Riona's estimation), and Quinn's business skills are looking pretty bad. So I could definitely see her smoking/injecting her way into bigger trouble. In fact, the whole drug dealing job might have started as an excuse to get drugs herself; now she is now forced to try it for real thanks to the shortfall, with predictable results.

We might see more in Episode 6, when Quinn needs to pay her dealer. Otherwise, it's just one more topic for speculation.

This was basically my take on it. Quinn liked to party but she’s shitty at running a business. She found a partner in crime in Tommy who gave her a place to safely party under Rusty’s protection. She came up with a plan and sold Mel/Sarah/Riona on it with free tuition and it worked for a while. Riona comments how this whole drugs and prostitution thing used to work but they need to get out whilst they’re ahead. I think Quinn tried to expand too fast and it’s failing. It’s a tale as old as time for new “businesses”. Her costs (free tuition, running the sorority and drugs to party) aren’t keeping up with her income.

So she’s floundering. Dealing more drugs to more people. Bringing in more
and more girls. They bring more fees so she needs more working girls. She starts screwing the Alphas with sugar pills. God knows what she’s doing with her drug dealer.

Shes burning bridges with Tommy for short term cash. It’s classic behaviour for someone spiralling in debt. I can see her getting desperate to stay afloat. Doing anything. I bet she’s embezzling HOTs fees already and it’s going to explode.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

I install new 5.0 do all your steps, put all 5.1 files in /game folder + manually 3 rpa files, and still my version is 5.0

Did you overwrite/replace the 5.0 files with the 5.1 files?
Did you adjust the filenames since upload/download adds these long numbers as prefix to filenames?

 

[lemonfreak]

I didn't say that you need to get all content in a playthrought, my problem is that you will be forced out of a route because you choose an affinity.

For example, in my very first playthrought, I needed play again to change some actions because i was forced out of Maya&Josy path because of affinity, but i was pursuing Maya&Josy path in that playthrought and in the end, it didn't matter all the RP i got with both.

I must've missed something because you can't be complaining that your choices have consequences, surely?

This is why most people have multiple playthroughs.

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

This was basically my take on it. Quinn liked to party but she’s shitty at running a business. She found a partner in crime in Tommy who gave her a place to safely party under Rusty’s protection. She came up with a plan and sold Mel/Sarah/Riona on it with free tuition and it worked for a while. Riona comments how this whole drugs and prostitution thing used to work but they need to get out whilst they’re ahead. I think Quinn tried to expand too fast and it’s failing. It’s a tale as old as time for new “businesses”. Her costs (free tuition, running the sorority and drugs to party) aren’t keeping up with her income.

So she’s floundering. Dealing more drugs to more people. Bringing in more
and more girls. They bring more fees so she needs more working girls. She starts screwing the Alphas with sugar pills. God knows what she’s doing with her drug dealer.

Shes burning bridges with Tommy for short term cash. It’s classic behaviour for someone spiralling in debt. I can see her getting desperate to stay afloat. Doing anything. I bet she’s embezzling HOTs fees already and it’s going to explode.

Yeah Heather comments on it while talking to Riona on the couch the morning after the ANO party. That the work and the fees they pay should be enough to pay for stuff. However, she thinks it's Sage's "Bad Leadership Choices" instead of Quinn's actions.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

To play Devil's Advocate:
1 But somebody may have asked him about his black eye offscreen.
2 Not getting the number, actually calling - the girls might talk among themselves how the experience was.
4 Led to the destroying of the Delta Iota Kappa mansion, people may get inquisitive about the chain of events. Also, the whole campus can see the beef between MC and the Triple-Alphas on Rooster.
5 We now have one of the Pink Rose strippers on campus.
6 You can elect to tell Derek, and it may come up during the board evaluation. I wouldn't know, I did not tell Derek and let him have fun with the old lady.

The thing is that it's not even really about reputation. Some people are interpreting it that way as a way of making sense as to why certain action are locked behind affinity and why M&J would reject the MC if he has DIK affinity, but none of these actions could really inform any kind of reputation for the MC considering that around half of them are likely unknown and the others aren't exactly enough to paint a picture of who he really is.

The walkthrough says that affinity is a measure of the MC's personality and that status is a measure of his mood, but even though this is the official line, it still doesn't stand up given what we know and what we've seen. Throughout the game, he can take "nicer/calmer/more mature actions" yet somehow have a DIK personality, but if you have a personality like that then you're probably more likely to take the "meaner/edgier/impulsive actions". This is where the disconnect between these 2 metrics is; that the greater number of actions and decisions that the MC can take can not reflect what their personality is supposed to be.

So, for M&J, if you do all the positive things with them, they should see the MC in a positive light because he has been nothing but good to them. They have no reason, in this scenario, to see him as having a personality they don't like and for it to be why they reject him. But then, ep 5 completely undercuts the idea that they rejected him for his personality/reputation because they reveal they still have feelings for him and were just worried about what it would mean if they expressed them. So it essentially had nothing to do with the affinity, with the MC's personality, and really makes you wonder why him having an affinity in the other direction magically makes them more willing to admit their feelings.

The fact is that the affinity and status systems do not match up properly. The actions that affect the status bar are a far greater representation of who he is than the affinity choices because they more directly involve the other characters and his actions with them would more accurately inform their opinion of him.

 

[xsssssssss]

This was basically my take on it. Quinn liked to party but she’s shitty at running a business. She found a partner in crime in Tommy who gave her a place to safely party under Rusty’s protection. She came up with a plan and sold Mel/Sarah/Riona on it with free tuition and it worked for a while. Riona comments how this whole drugs and prostitution thing used to work but they need to get out whilst they’re ahead. I think Quinn tried to expand too fast and it’s failing. It’s a tale as old as time for new “businesses”. Her costs (free tuition, running the sorority and drugs to party) aren’t keeping up with her income.

So she’s floundering. Dealing more drugs to more people. Bringing in more
and more girls. They bring more fees so she needs more working girls. She starts screwing the Alphas with sugar pills. God knows what she’s doing with her drug dealer.

Shes burning bridges with Tommy for short term cash. It’s classic behaviour for someone spiralling in debt. I can see her getting desperate to stay afloat. Doing anything. I bet she’s embezzling HOTs fees already and it’s going to explode.

See that's where i disagree. If the scheme was profitable, suddenly needing to expand/sell bad merchandise doesn't make a lot of sense. If suddenly there's a new factor(my guess extortion) why she has to rob peter to pay paul that makes a lot more sense. Looking forward to learn exactly what's going on in future episodes and hopefully come to her aid.

 

[Ilhares]

1. Fighting Troy - Possibly known if Troy said anything to anyone, but being a typical guy, he probably didn't tell
2. Getting Quinn's number for her menu service - Unknown
3. Being nice to Steve - Unknown
4. Fighting the Jocks - Possibly known if the Jocks say anything, but much like Troy, they probably wouldn't want people to know that this upstart freshman went toe-to-toe with them
5. Partying at the Pink Rose - Unknown because the DIKs going to the Pink Rose isn't meant to be known outside of the DIKs
6. Accepting Jade's advances - Unknown
7. Smoking weed - Partially known, but unlikely to really be that big of a deal on a college campus
8. Fighting Caleb - Likely to become known
9. Punching Tybalt - Very likely to become known

#1 is absolutely known - because it comes up when you see him in the cafeteria later. I think Bella was there for that one, and we know #9 is. If he's willing to cry about you to Jill, somebody he's avidly trying to impress, he wouldn't likely admit to getting his ass handed to him. But it's You (the MC), his main rival, so yeah, that story is going to spread, and he uses it with Jill to try and demean you. He finally gets to play the victim card for sympathy.

What a hell is your problem?
This is just a game! A hell of a nice game! It is just for fun! All We know that is not real! The choices is not real? Ok. The girls reacting is not real? No problem. Is this just a game! I've never seen any of descrisptions of a simulator!

Thank you for the laugh. I immediately thought of this clip:

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[lemonfreak]

See that's where i disagree. If the scheme was profitable, suddenly needing to expand/sell bad merchandise doesn't make a lot of sense. If suddenly there's a new factor why she has to rob peter to pay paul that makes a lot more sense. Looking forward to learn exactly what's going on in future episodes and hopefully come to her aid.

Isn't it that the free tuition rumour happened and they suddenly got more pledges that they normally would. The free tuition was being covered by the prostitution but now there are new pledges who don't even know about that yet but still want to try and claim the benefit.

Suddenly finding the costs increasing in one area has forced Quinn to expand elsewhere and the area she's been forced to expand is the one where she has less control. As far as I can remember, Quinn hasn't actually expressed a desire to get rich off her schemes so as far as we know it could all be a genuine effort to make the HOTs sorority a success for years to come.

 

[Mormont]

Quinn hasn't actually expressed a desire to get rich off her schemes so as far as we know it could all be a genuine effort to make the HOTs sorority a success for years to come.

That's what it's all about for Quinn the Hot's means everything to her and we know she will go to any length just to see it succeed I think that's her main driving force.

 

[Kz87]

So for M&J, if you do all the positive things with them, they should see the MC in a positive light because he has been nothing but good to them. They have no reason, in this scenario, to see him as having a personality they don't like and for it to be why they reject him.

From Godfather Michael Corleone loved his family. Nevertheless, his wife left him knowing that Michael loved her and would do anything for her, and she appreciated it, but could not accept his other criminal side. A little harsh example, but I hope you know what mean.

 

[Kodek]

From Godfather Michael Corleone

That escalated quickly.

 

[Kodek]

That's what it's all about for Quinn the Hot's means everything to her and we know she will go to any length just to see it succeed I think that's her main driving force.

Yeah. Now that she needs to expand the drug business because of the free tuition rumor and all the new pledges and i can see it, she will probably end neck deep into somekind of an awfully bad deal with the people she buys drugs from, which will eventually endangers her and everyone around her

 

[Holy Bacchus]

From Godfather Michael Corleone loved his family. Nevertheless, his wife left him knowing that Michael loved her and would do anything for her, and she appreciated it, but could not accept his other criminal side. A little harsh example, but I hope you know what mean.

Except that Michael Corleone displayed a side to her that she didn't like; his vicious, criminal side. To M&J, the MC hadn't displayed a side they didn't like. The only thing that could have made them see him differently was him storming out, but that was not only unavoidable and had nothing to do with affinity, but it was also understandable given the situation. Also, the idea that his affinity/personality affected the decision is undercut by the confessions in ep 5.

The affinity and status systems are working against each other here, and it's creating an inconsistency issue with not just the MC but also the characters around him.

 

[Real Kreten]

Except that Michael Corleone displayed a side to her that she didn't like; his vicious, criminal side. To M&J, the MC hadn't displayed a side they didn't like. The only thing that could have made them see him differently was him storming out, but that was not only unavoidable and had nothing to do with affinity, but it was also understandable given the situation. Also, the idea that his affinity/personality affected the decision is undercut by the confessions in ep 5.

The affinity and status systems are working against each other here, and it's creating an inconsistency issue with not just the MC but also the characters around him.

Affinity is a game mechanic that works exactly as it should.
On the one hand, it is intended to prevent slalom between blue and red flags, or other acrobatics.
On the other hand, it should lead to a game where we do not use a walktrhoug to gain small points.
The main decision is governed by the affinity and it is easy to map. There are only a few major decisions.
We were informed (room number 66) that these decisions would affect the game and we chose.
You will not get DIK affinity with one choice, but with a constant choice of "red" colors. No wonder then that everything is red and not blue.

 

[Lusikun]

Did anyone fuck jill in this update

 

[ExpBar]

Daddy, here I come. xD

 

[ename144]

But then you are assuming this is all happening off-screen that she is using more drugs than she should be but we've seen no sign of her doing that apart from those times we've seen her doing it. For a plot that big you'd think we'd have at least seen more of this drug use from her.

Quinn freeloading on her own drugs is admittedly very speculative. I agree we haven't seen her using them very often. Then again, how often have we seen Riona or Tommy using them? The only time we saw Riona using them alone I can think of off the top of my head is when she meets the MC on the deck in Episode 5. There's a lot of implied drug use, but it's short on details.

I think the case for Quinn lying to Tommy is a lot stronger, though. We saw Quinn talking to Riona about the shortfall ourselves. Not only does she never mention Riona's freeloading (much less promise to keep it a secret), Riona herself asks how they could be short. Unless Riona is actually delusional, why would she ask that question when they both know the answer and won't talk about it?

So for me, the question isn't *if* Quinn was lying to Tommy but *why* she was lying. Quinn using too many drugs herself is the simplest explanation IMHO.

The alternatives I can think of require a lot more assumptions. From most to least plausible: Melanie and Sarah are taking the money for their own purposes; Quinn has an extra-secret agenda she is using the money for; Quinn is even worse at math than Dawe; a third party is stealing the money somehow. Those are possible, but I would be more surprised by those than Quinn freeloading.

 

[Mormont]

Yeah. Now that she needs to expand the drug business because of the free tuition rumor and all the new pledges and i can see it, she will probably end neck deep into somekind of an awfully bad deal with the people she buys drugs from, which will eventually endangers her and everyone around her

I guess it will all come down on who the dealer is if Quinn can't pay perhaps she will use other methods the menu for example and send one of the girls to help her pay off the debt just an idea of course but then again if she is to get away with that then she could always use that excuse and withhold any money she has brought in.

 

[lemonfreak]

Except that Michael Corleone displayed a side to her that she didn't like; his vicious, criminal side. To M&J, the MC hadn't displayed a side they didn't like. The only thing that could have made them see him differently was him storming out, but that was not only unavoidable and had nothing to do with affinity, but it was also understandable given the situation. Also, the idea that his affinity/personality affected the decision is undercut by the confessions in ep 5.

The affinity and status systems are working against each other here, and it's creating an inconsistency issue with not just the MC but also the characters around him.

I find your assesment of Maya and Josy to be quite insulting, you appear to me implying that they have no life outside of their interactions with the MC (they don't because they're fictional characters in a porn game but, since Deadpool is nowhere to be seen, the 4th wall is being respected). His interactions with others on what looks like a small college campus will get back to them and they are allowed to make their own judgements based on that knowledge.

What I will grant you is that there is a certain amount of hand-waiving when it comes exactly how and when they would learn these things but your comments, as I read them, go far deeper than that; you appear to believe it is impossible for them to ever get this information, not that the method of transmission is a little fuzzy.

 

[mindern]

Isn't it that the free tuition rumour happened and they suddenly got more pledges that they normally would. The free tuition was being covered by the prostitution but now there are new pledges who don't even know about that yet but still want to try and claim the benefit.

Suddenly finding the costs increasing in one area has forced Quinn to expand elsewhere and the area she's been forced to expand is the one where she has less control. As far as I can remember, Quinn hasn't actually expressed a desire to get rich off her schemes so as far as we know it could all be a genuine effort to make the HOTs sorority a success for years to come.

How do American (or arguably Canadian) tuition fees get paid? Start of the semester? Per year? Can you turn up without having paid?

If Quinn has already paid for Sarah/Mel/Riona/Camilla and maybe even Mona’s tuition but Camilla and Mona aren’t pulling in the cash like she thought they would (Camilla only works gloryholes and Mona walked out on Burke) Quinn might start trying to scale this to cover costs.

It costs the same to fund each girl but there’s no guarantee each girl brings in the same. She might be subsiding girls with the work of others and she can’t just take back tuition fees she’s paid.

She might be bringing in girls on their speculative capacity to make money. She’s scaling it as a gamble to find more girls like Sarah/Mel who turn profits. There doesn’t have to be some grand secret expense like extortion just shitty business practises.