Ren'Py Being Super [v0.20a Dark] [Sandman Games and Art]

[Mosiah]

I really hope that isn't the case here, the Dev has talent and I think they truly love this project, but they have blown past so many of their own deadlines, and worst of all, the forward progress of their game has stopped completely. We still are not fully caught up to where we were BEFORE the rework. This is how Devs burn out. They try to achieve perfection and fail.

So do I. Hope, I mean. And hey, they are posting renders periodically, you get to vote on various proposed changes, status updates are frequent... looks very very promising. But personally, I am stopping the $$$ until they deliver something of substance, surely they have something to show us after 9 months of development.

 

[fpsgamer]

Popular Development Psychology : Theory.
These games (VN) start as dev(s) passion project and when it begins to draw attention, they become greedy.
Soon greed overtakes passion and dev(s) begins slowing the pace of project development for better chance at milking patrons.
Slowly this slow pace becomes a habit to be lazy, thus gradually increasing the period of development cycle {two months - four months - a year or more}.
Less frequent updates results in less attention, further reducing traffic. Soon adding new patron counts become minimum. Dev(s) begins to get second thoughts.. reaching for a absurd conclusion in most cases (REMAKE / RELOAD) further slowing down on new content, dev(s) becoming even more lazy and greedy. Ultimately "passion project" gets abandoned by dev(s).

You just summarized 95% of AVN devs. What is surprising is how stupid people are not to accept the things that are hiding in plain sight.
What i hate more than these devs are the white knights that defend devs practices.
I dont blame devs for being piece of shit scummy greedy people because its a cruel world we will live in and I learned not to question whatever way a man earns his bread, i hate the people that enable them. I hate the dumb patrons(but its also their money so what do i know) that stick with devs after years and years of scam behavior. I know there must be some good devs with really good work ethics and they dont get the same support.

TLDR it's a sad situation.

 

[Abhai]

You just summarized 95% of AVN devs. What is surprising is how stupid people are not to accept the things that are hiding in plain sight.
What i hate more than these devs are the white knights that defend devs practices.
I dont blame devs for being piece of shit scummy greedy people because its a cruel world we will live in and I learned not to question whatever way a man earns his bread, i hate the people that enable them. I hate the dumb patrons(but its also their money so what do i know) that stick with devs after years and years of scam behavior. I know there must be some good devs with really good work ethics and they dont get the same support.

TLDR it's a sad situation.

icstor on you!
(for even thinking the way you do )

 

[fpsgamer]

icstor on you!
(for even thinking the way you do )

i wouldn't dare to curse icstor on my enemy, what did I do to deserve such harsh curse

 

[Mr Sandman]

I use atom as a text editor, whenever there is a power-cut/BSOD and the file IS NOT saved (there will be a blue icon at the top to indicate that it is not saved) the file becomes corrupt. My dumbass did not make a backup in a week and a half. This happened to me TWICE!
I am working full speed. jsyk. I cant give a release date at this time. It will be free for a week anyway so you dont have to sub to get access to it. Although it would be appreciated.

 

[ohmz]

I use atom as a text editor, whenever there is a power-cut/BSOD and the file IS NOT saved (there will be a blue icon at the top to indicate that it is not saved) the file becomes corrupt. My dumbass did not make a backup in a week and a half. This happened to me TWICE!
I am working full speed. jsyk. I cant give a release date at this time. It will be free for a week anyway so you dont have to sub to get access to it. Although it would be appreciated.

Atom is dead you should try switching to visual studio code. It has replaced atom as the official renpy editor. It's also just a lot better in general.

 

[Totonidze]

I use atom as a text editor, whenever there is a power-cut/BSOD and the file IS NOT saved (there will be a blue icon at the top to indicate that it is not saved) the file becomes corrupt. My dumbass did not make a backup in a week and a half. This happened to me TWICE!
I am working full speed. jsyk. I cant give a release date at this time. It will be free for a week anyway so you dont have to sub to get access to it. Although it would be appreciated.

ok mate see you to the next month

 

[DuckDairyDip]

I use atom as a text editor, whenever there is a power-cut/BSOD and the file IS NOT saved (there will be a blue icon at the top to indicate that it is not saved) the file becomes corrupt. My dumbass did not make a backup in a week and a half. This happened to me TWICE!
I am working full speed. jsyk. I cant give a release date at this time. It will be free for a week anyway so you dont have to sub to get access to it. Although it would be appreciated.

As the other poster said, probably should switch to Visual Studio Code. Surprised you are still using Atom even though I can understand wanting to keep using tools you are used to using.

 

[Mycrusade29]

I am in the combat minigame attacking the 3 jocks because i don't want to take the villain path but everytime i attack it says their defence is too high. Do I just keep attacking and it will eventually hit them?

 

[Dole]

0.18.3b bug

I got from Ana a handjob and this error message appeared:

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While loading <'Image' u'images/Quest_CHRIS/CHRIS_QUEST_test59_LIGHT.png'>:
File "game/AllPhoneConversations.rpy", line 20, in script call
call test999 from _call_test999
File "game/AllPhoneConversations.rpy", line 35, in script call
call test9999 from _call_test9999
File "game/Inconsolablecharscript.rpy", line 17028, in script
pause
File "renpy/common/000statements.rpy", line 455, in execute_pause
renpy.pause()
IOError: Couldn't find file 'images/Quest_CHRIS/CHRIS_QUEST_test59_LIGHT.png'.

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
File "game/AllPhoneConversations.rpy", line 20, in script call
call test999 from _call_test999
File "game/AllPhoneConversations.rpy", line 35, in script call
call test9999 from _call_test9999
File "game/Inconsolablecharscript.rpy", line 17028, in script
pause
File "renpy/ast.py", line 2015, in execute
self.call("execute")
File "renpy/ast.py", line 2003, in call
return renpy.statements.call(method, parsed, *args, **kwargs)
File "renpy/statements.py", line 278, in call
return method(parsed, *args, **kwargs)
File "renpy/common/000statements.rpy", line 455, in execute_pause
renpy.pause()
File "renpy/exports.py", line 1561, in pause
rv = renpy.ui.interact(mouse='pause', type='pause', roll_forward=roll_forward, pause=delay)
File "renpy/ui.py", line 298, in interact
rv = renpy.game.interface.interact(roll_forward=roll_forward, **kwargs)
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 3315, in interact
repeat, rv = self.interact_core(preloads=preloads, trans_pause=trans_pause, pause=pause, pause_start=pause_start, **kwargs)
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 3834, in interact_core
self.draw_screen(root_widget, fullscreen_video, (not fullscreen_video) or video_frame_drawn)
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 2555, in draw_screen
renpy.config.screen_height,
File "render.pyx", line 492, in renpy.display.render.render_screen
File "render.pyx", line 263, in renpy.display.render.render
File "renpy/display/layout.py", line 824, in render
surf = render(child, width, height, cst, cat)
File "render.pyx", line 170, in renpy.display.render.render
File "render.pyx", line 263, in renpy.display.render.render
File "renpy/display/layout.py", line 824, in render
surf = render(child, width, height, cst, cat)
File "render.pyx", line 170, in renpy.display.render.render
File "render.pyx", line 263, in renpy.display.render.render
File "renpy/display/layout.py", line 824, in render
surf = render(child, width, height, cst, cat)
File "render.pyx", line 170, in renpy.display.render.render
File "render.pyx", line 263, in renpy.display.render.render
File "renpy/display/transform.py", line 733, in render
return transform_render(self, width, height, st, at)
File "accelerator.pyx", line 187, in renpy.display.accelerator.transform_render
File "render.pyx", line 263, in renpy.display.render.render
File "renpy/display/image.py", line 501, in render
return wrap_render(self.target, width, height, st, at)
File "renpy/display/image.py", line 307, in wrap_render
rend = render(child, w, h, st, at)
File "render.pyx", line 170, in renpy.display.render.render
File "render.pyx", line 263, in renpy.display.render.render
File "renpy/display/im.py", line 607, in render
return cache.get(self, render=True)
File "renpy/display/im.py", line 271, in get
surf = image.load()
File "renpy/display/im.py", line 688, in load
raise e
IOError: Couldn't find file 'images/Quest_CHRIS/CHRIS_QUEST_test59_LIGHT.png'.

Windows-10-10.0.19041
Ren'Py 7.4.9.2142
Being Super 0.18.3b.Light
Fri Oct 6 09:06:38 2023

 

[peperondana]

RIP Game?

 

[fpsgamer]

When was the last time game got update? Seems like eternity. Has it been abandoned or just usually AVN scamtreon devs shenanigans

 

[Mosiah]

When was the last time game got update? Seems like eternity. Has it been abandoned or just usually AVN scamtreon devs shenanigans

Gonna be a year in december, and it's the usual shenanigans. Currently, dev claims his dog ate his computer's harddrive.

 

[Deleted member 6528919]

Forgot to save the script?
That's BS. Anyone who codes makes saving one of their first habits.
Idk why he is delaying, but it's not cz of issues for sure.

 

[Mosiah]

Forgot to save the script?
That's BS. Anyone who codes makes saving one of their first habits.
Idk why he is delaying, but it's not cz of issues for sure.

Let's be charitable and say they have. Devs ran into some problems, and lost a week and a half of work, dude says it happened twice. Fuck it, make it 2 months of work gone. Shit happens, happens to a bigger and more experienced teams even.

I can't access the post from May, as I lost acess when I unsubbed, but look at this.

This is a patreon post from JUNE, where dev apologizes that there will be a slight delay, and they're not gonna make the JUNE release after all, and that it's gonna spill into a JULY.



It's mid October, and there's not even a RELEASE DATE.

At this point, honestly, I am hoping it's just 'scamtreon shenanigans' as someone put it, because if it isn't, then that's just fucking sad.

 

[Mosiah]

Sandman, bro, if you read through this forum, and are not actually a scammer, just dude trying his best and failing miserably: I don't hate you, just do this:

Do the minimal required work to make the update releaseABLE, even if it is not feature complete, in therms of all the stuff you wanted to add. If you coded 60-70% of the update, just make it compile, run through it to make sure there's no game-breaking bugs, and just share the link, saying sorry guys, I'll just finish this later.

Take a 2 week vacation, touch grass, talk to your parents, see some old friends, and generaly just relax. No sense burning yourself out when you're already half a year late.

Come back, finish the remaining stuff and let's move on.

 

[Allan Trumbull]

Game still alive ?

 

[walker188]

Let's be charitable and say they have. Devs ran into some problems, and lost a week and a half of work, dude says it happened twice. Fuck it, make it 2 months of work gone. Shit happens, happens to a bigger and more experienced teams even.

I can't access the post from May, as I lost acess when I unsubbed, but look at this.

This is a patreon post from JUNE, where dev apologizes that there will be a slight delay, and they're not gonna make the JUNE release after all, and that it's gonna spill into a JULY.

View attachment 2995957

It's mid October, and there's not even a RELEASE DATE.

At this point, honestly, I am hoping it's just 'scamtreon shenanigans' as someone put it, because if it isn't, then that's just fucking sad.

Yeah. The thing about these kinds of pathetic excuses is that we all know they're bullshit. First off all, if someone 'forgot to save' and lost two weeks, you definitely wouldn't do that twice in a row. The opposite would happen your paranoid brain would over save constantly. Second, let's be honest here, even if they lost four weeks, it's mid October. It should still.be done and released. Frankly there shouldn't be that much coding left to be done unless the Dev has a WILDLY odd process. There should be a tiny bit left and a ton of polish happening, proofing, testing and so on.

What I sadly suspect is actually happening. The Dev has been procrastinating. Maybe they had writers block. Maybe they had a death in the family. Maybe a million good reasons. The thing is it doesn't matter.

When a creator gets behind the gun and feels like they are under delivering, they suddenly feel this insane urge to add more and.more promises to keep people happy. Then when they can't meet the original deadlines (much less the massively increased amount of extra content they promised) they have to delay even more, which leads to more promises, which leads to more delays....you get it.

Sandman, if you're listening (and it seems like you are). Clean up whatever you have and release it. It's the only way out of the ccurrent cycle. If you're worried about losing subs, you're gonna lose the ones you're gonna lose anyway. But you won't lose them all. Radiant is a straight up scam and they certainly don't.

If you're trying to impress people, (such as former subs like me) . Well you're not going to do that either. Your game is amazing and I think you are a decent guy trying to bring your vision into reality. But you haven't had any forward momentum in years. Regular updates is what builds trust and reputation among consumers.

 

[b2099]

full save anyone

 

[chainedpanda]

But you haven't had any forward momentum in years. Regular updates is what builds trust and reputation among consumers.

This. No matter how much new content is being added to an update, it doesn't matter until it's finished. No matter how many new concepts are added, no matter how many scenes, it simply doesn't matter. The only thing that matters in the end is that it gets released.

Promises mean nothing. The only thing it does is make the one giving the promise feel better in the short term.