VN Ren'Py Abandoned Beneath the Surface [v0.38] [Ava Interactive]

[BOZZU]

Here's my compressed Unofficial Android Port of "Beneath the Surface" 0.38:



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[SafeForSure]

Beautiful game writing is sometimes but weird but it looks amazing.

 

[ShatteredEnigma616]

Wait.....I am getting Blue October "I Hope You're Happy" music video vibes here.

 

[S1nsational]

A fun game, gorgeous visuals and models. A little silly at times, but it's hard to tell if it's thee author deliberately writing the MC to make questionable decisions, or not.

 

[With The]

A fun game, gorgeous visuals and models. A little silly at times, but it's hard to tell if it's thee author deliberately writing the MC to make questionable decisions, or not.

author is women so i think she did not know how to make good mc. i do hope she continue working with the game but seems like the game is abandon now.

 

[adolfokoser]

abandoned?

 

[Virtual Player]

abandoned?

Last Patreon Update corresponds to the last game update, so yes, it's meets Abandoned conditions. Hopefully folks aren't still paying the Patreon without some kind of word from the author...

 

[vs2011xyz]

Why this game is abandoned??

 

[With The]

Why this game is abandoned??

no communication from dev since july i think, sadly i like the game tho.

 

[Gozer]

Considering the authors female you'd think she'd be used to finishing things...

 

[Bozeman75]

Classic case of Female Writer Syndrome. The male protagonist must be ineffectual and de-masculinized, constantly validating the women, checking that everything he does is "ok", and thus rendering him "safe". Meanwhile female characters have all the initiative and agency in the story. Lockheart's games are the worst example of this. It's a kind of writing that is supposed to appeal to a female audience. Meanwhile male players get bored and frustrated because the male protagonist isn't acting like a man would or should.

This sort of post always cracks me up.

When a male MC starts a game "weak" or "ineffectual" it's bad writing when done by a male writer, as is the case with dozens if not hundreds of games on this site with male MCs like that.
But if the writer is female then someone inevitably claims that the problem is that the writer is female and has some hidden agenda to emasculate the male characters.

To be clear, I don't agree that the writing is bad. I'm just making a point about people that make this argument.
Female writers can write male characters well, just like male writers can write female characters well.


This sort of post pretty much tells us all we need to know about the poster, as opposed to the game itself.

 

[Engulfed]

This sort of post always cracks me up.

When a male MC starts a game "weak" or "ineffectual" it's bad writing when done by a male writer, as is the case with dozens if not hundreds of games on this site with male MCs like that.
But if the writer is female then someone inevitably claims that the problem is that the writer is female and has some hidden agenda to emasculate the male characters.

To be clear, I don't agree that the writing is bad. I'm just making a point about people that make this argument.
Female writers can write male characters well, just like male writers can write female characters well.


This sort of post pretty much tells us all we need to know about the poster, as opposed to the game itself.

Careful, your sexism is showing. Now let me just pull up my mansplaining chair and dole out some learnings to y'all.

Female Writer Syndrome is not about writers who are female. It's a particular style of writing common to both men and women (but mostly women) raised in a third wave feminist zeitgeist, who spend entirely too much time reading and writing fan fiction.

Female Writer Syndrome comes from a worldview that sees human relationships in terms of power dynamics. In romantic and sexual relationships men are viewed as having all the power (because this worldview is sexist, in case it wasn't obvious). Those inculcated with this worldview are fucking terrified of actual real sex. And so they don't have any. Which, funnily enough, means that when they try their hand at writing about sex and relationships, they get it all shit-ass backwards.

Female Writer Syndrome is characterized by fear and ignorance of real human relationships and real human sexual interactions. Since the writer is afraid, he or she has to render the source of their fear - the powerful male characters - into something safe, neutered, de-masculinized, and ineffectual. Like the protagonist in this and plenty of other games written from the same cancerous worldview.

Female Writer Syndrome is the writer's ideology-induced neurosis being journaled about, here, in the guise of a spank game. And if you can't see that about this particular game then... well, I guess that pretty much tells us all we need to know about you.

 

[Bozeman75]

Careful, your sexism is showing. Now let me just pull up my mansplaining chair and dole out some learnings to y'all.

Female Writer Syndrome is not about writers who are female. It's a particular style of writing common to both men and women (but mostly women) raised in a third wave feminist zeitgeist, who spend entirely too much time reading and writing fan fiction.

Female Writer Syndrome comes from a worldview that sees human relationships in terms of power dynamics. In romantic and sexual relationships men are viewed as having all the power (because this worldview is sexist, in case it wasn't obvious). Those inculcated with this worldview are fucking terrified of actual real sex. And so they don't have any. Which, funnily enough, means that when they try their hand at writing about sex and relationships, they get it all shit-ass backwards.

Female Writer Syndrome is characterized by fear and ignorance of real human relationships and real human sexual interactions. Since the writer is afraid, he or she has to render the source of their fear - the powerful male characters - into something safe, neutered, de-masculinized, and ineffectual. Like the protagonist in this and plenty of other games written from the same cancerous worldview.

Female Writer Syndrome is the writer's ideology-induced neurosis being journaled about, here, in the guise of a spank game. And if you can't see that about this particular game then... well, I guess that pretty much tells us all we need to know about you.

Thank you, you went to a lot of effort to just confirm what I said about you.
Saves me the trouble of continuing to point out your misogyny when you do it so well yourself.

And congrats, you get to be the first f95 account on my ignore list..

 

[With The]

Thank you, you went to a lot of effort to just confirm what I said about you.
Saves me the trouble of continuing to point out your misogyny when you do it so well yourself.

And congrats, you get to be the first f95 account on my ignore list..

just saying, the guy is not entirely wrong. at first developer do make really weak and very unlikeable mc but what i like she is listening and trying to fix what is wrong and what people critize her writing.
sadly not much people support her patreon thats why the game is abandon now.

 

[Bozeman75]

just saying, the guy is not entirely wrong. at first developer do make really weak and very unlikeable mc but what i like she is listening and trying to fix what is wrong and what people critize her writing.
sadly not much people support her patreon thats why the game is abandon now.

I have no issue if someone argues that the MC is not written well.
That's entirely subjective and valid.

My point was that some people immediately say that the MC is badly written because the writer is female and has some sort of anti-men agenda.
That's just silly.
AVN writers want to be successful and make money, and with the HUGE majority of AVN players being men it's ridiculous to argue that one is trying to insult or emasculate that audience.

Bad writing is just that, bad writing, it doesn't indicate some sort of insidious hidden agenda.

But, I think the point has been argued enough and the dead horse is sufficiently beaten.

 

[TigerWolfe]

Thank you, you went to a lot of effort to just confirm what I said about you.
Saves me the trouble of continuing to point out your misogyny when you do it so well yourself.

And congrats, you get to be the first f95 account on my ignore list..

If their point was remotely accurate, you'd think it'd be called Feminist Writer Syndrome. But yeah ignore list is the way.

 

[Juerhullycin]

I have no issue if someone argues that the MC is not written well.
That's entirely subjective and valid.

My point was that some people immediately say that the MC is badly written because the writer is female and has some sort of anti-men agenda.
That's just silly.
AVN writers want to be successful and make money, and with the HUGE majority of AVN players being men it's ridiculous to argue that one is trying to insult or emasculate that audience.

Bad writing is just that, bad writing, it doesn't indicate some sort of insidious hidden agenda.

But, I think the point has been argued enough and the dead horse is sufficiently beaten.

Man, I have a bridge that needs selling.