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Knight_of_the_lance

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No, that's just the base images from the asset I used , I was a little lazy to change the picture tbh :) Your forcing me into extra work here, dude :p Hey if anyone wants to pay for some product placement, my paypal account is always open for that, lol :)
Sorry :cry: on the other hand being lazy can sometime be a virtue when used the right way. :p You are doing good by the way. I have a wall of text coming your way elsewhere maybe tomorrow evening by the way. Take all the time you need to read it once you have it.
 
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No, that's just the base images from the asset I used , I was a little lazy to change the picture tbh :) Your forcing me into extra work here, dude :p Hey if anyone wants to pay for some product placement, my paypal account is always open for that, lol :)
Maybe you can promote game Confussion,
https://f95zone.to/threads/confusion-chapter-9-v0-9-avnsnax.118841/ ,
its about transgender girl too, with that people will know about another trans game (dont know another games with transgender theme)
 

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Overview:
Two Geordie lads prepare for the next chapter of life as they finish school,
and head to university but one has been keeping a big secret from his best mate.
Will their friendship be tested when the secret is uncovered?
Watch the story unfold through the eyes of either friend in this adult visual novel that may be light on game play but is heavy on story.
Play through the first 2 chapters for free here on itch, chapter 3 is available now on my Patreon page.​

Thread Updated: 2024-11-10
Release Date: 2024-11-10
Developer: Faenon - -
Censored: No
Version: Chapter 3 Fix
OS: Windows, Linux, Mac
Language: English
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Please send new update that is chapter 4
 

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Please send new update that is chapter 4
I don't think it's gonna happen anytime soon...

This is from their Patreon page: This is getting long :) But one more thing before I wrap it up. As I spoke previously, I'm going to put Chapter 4 out to Itch as a paid chapter, in the next few days. It will be priced at $5 USD, some may think this is too high but there are two reasons for that. Firstly the way Itch charges fees kind of makes putting low prices not very worthwhile, I've received less than half the gross amount for chapter 3 revenue when it was a paid chapter. Secondly, I need to be respectful of my Great Tier patreons who are currently on this same version and pay the same price. One quick note on this, unlike chapter 3, I have no plans to ever make chapter 4 a free chapter, that might change over time but as I said in the past for me chapters 1-3 were always going to be the demo.

So this site was basically just to promote the game I guess.
 

pceney

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Wow!!! I think this may be a mistake. Neither this game nor the dev is big enough to make this move the optimum long term strategy.

I realise that the adult game 'business model' is strange, with a pirate site serving as its core marketplace. But it's what has grown this industry from a handful of devs making a living, to where we are now. I hope Faenon has done his due dilligence before making this decision.

I also hope that this unique game & its talented dev, does not suffer a lack of growth potential by hiding it behind a paywall. I won't pretend to know the best release practise for niche game genres, versus more mainstream titles, but having a free release will often help see your patreon tier exclusivity respected.
 
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Faenon

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Wow!!! I think this may be a mistake. Neither this game nor the dev is big enough to make this move the optimum long term strategy.

I realise that the adult game 'business model' is strange, with a pirate site serving as its core marketplace. But it's what has grown this industry from a handful of devs making a living, to where we are now. I hope Faenon has done his due dilligence before making this decision.

I also hope that this unique game & its talented dev, does not suffer a lack of growth potential by hiding it behind a paywall. I won't pretend to know the best release practise for niche game genres, versus more mainstream titles, but having a free release will often help see your patreon tier exclusivity respected.
I'll try to answer this and show my reasoning behind my decisions here but I will start by saying I totally understand your frustration and this is in no shape or form an attack on you or your concerns.

I never started out making this or any other content as a money making exercise. It was started really to help my mental health issues. I was and am still going through some struggles in that area and desperately needed a release from the reality of life and it's problems. I'm an IT professional of 30 plus years in my day job, I hadn't coded in a while and missed it, so initially I started out trying to learn more modern languages like Python and heard about Ren'py. So I went about building a Proof of Concept (POC) VN based around Newcastle United, I never released that as it contains a lot of copyrighted images and videos. I enjoyed building it so much that I thought about what I wanted to do next.

I had had this story in my mind for a long time, I had never put it into words but the story was there, so I started writing out a skeleton for how the plot flows. I was also looking at what was out there for trans focused games and found myself a little frustrated with a lot of these games painting trans characters in a negative way or as freak shows, as incidental side characters, or characters added just to fulfill a tag. They were not and still are not the focus of many games that put them in a realistic setting and tackle the huge challenges of their lives. This isn't just in the adult games area either it's in mainstream movies too. So I decided to set out to fill this hole, as I so admire the strength of this very marginalised community.

The first challenge I encountered was, how the hell am I going to add images to my story, I had no artistic skills whatsoever nor the financial means to pay an artist. I tried my hand at Stable Diffusion and found some early success but after generating the initial characters and a few environments, I started having issues with how AI messes up with things like extra fingers or misshaped limbs. I also had no idea how I would be able to consistently take these characters and drop them into the huge amount of scenes I had planned.

So I pivoted away from AI and moved to DAZ, it was free apparently (more on that later), this was another new skill I had to learn from scratch. It became apparent though that I also required to get familiar with Blender and Gimp too, other tools I had never used before. There was a massive learning curve ahead of me with this and Ren'py too.

I took my basic game design for the POC and started building out the initial scenes, quickly I realised that building with the free stuff DAZ gives you, the free downloads available on their shop and other sites, was never going to be enough. I was even using Sketchfab, downloading free models, importing into Belender and then converting for DAZ use. If you look at Jon's bedroom it was made mostly of these models. This was clearly not sustainable so I started buying assets.

I took some advice from a trans comic creator and used the latest generation of DAZ models, Genesis 9 for my main characters, as those base models are gender neutral which makes them easier to transition. Anyway what I was seeing though perhaps because of not using Genesis 3 or 8, like a lot of developers use, that render times were horrendously slow on my 2070 super. I needed to upgrade my rendering rig if I was ever going to produce anything anytime soon. I cashed in some vacation time and bought myself a 4080 super.

So all this background, damn I do like to tell a story don't I :), is just to try to explain the initial and continued costs I incur. I have over 1200 assets in my DAZ account alone, I'm scared to look at the amount I have spent there. There has also been the cost of upgrading the rendering rig. Add that to the general electric bill I have rendering 16 hours a day (the render rig literally never stops when I am awake), I also have another PC on all that time, that I use to code, set up renders, post prod work, promo stuff and do stuff like write this ridiculously not needed long message, I really should be working out right now :)

The other hidden cost is in my man hours. I am one person here, doing everything. I wake up at 5am or so, work out, then I am developing this, around my day job. I do not take a day off and will sit at my computers for most of the free time I have. I do not play video games anymore, or watch TV or any of the waste time activities we as humans do.

I have five kids, one is grown up now and living back in the UK, the other four are still in elementary school. I would love to financially be able to offer my work here for free to everyone. But I'm literally struggling to make ends meet as a single income family. I've not had a pay increase in eight years and if things stay as they are I don't expect another one in the 10 years I have left before I retire. We can barely pay the bills, my debts continue to rise and we will lose the house in the next six months or so. This is all part of my mental struggles I talked about at the start of this ramble. I therefore simply have to try to recover my costs of development, it's really not an option.

In an ideal world, you build up a following through free game development and then you can try to generate income, I don't personally though have that luxury of that time.

I really love doing what I do here, a labour of love is a well worn expression but Best Friends for me is definately that. Being financially able to retire a little earlier and do this full time would be an absolute dream for me but is highly unlikely I'm afraid.

As I said before this isn't a money making exercise, I'm not even coming close to covering my costs. The gross revenue I have made from Itch barely covers the cost of the power supply upgraged I had to make for my new GPU and I get less than half of that revenue :( Patreon, helps a lot and I am so fortunate to have such a fantastic group of people supporting me but again, this revenue doesn't pay the bills and is also subject to the tax man taking his cut in a few months time.

If I really wanted to just focus on money generation, it would be so much easier if I went in a different direction rather than focus on a niche genre, render heavy, story focused game. I sometimes find it somewhat disheartening when you see games with ZERO story, a few AI generated renders, that do little more than flash a boob or two, yet they are bringing in three times the number of Patreons I do and charge $30 or so. They obviously do a great job of marketing and hitting on all the tags that bring folks in.

I suspect my story is not unique amongst indie developers, this is not a path to quick finacial gains, it takes a hell of a lot of effort, time and money to build anything remotely worthwhile. I also recognise the times we are living in are really tough on all of us financially, that's why I so appreciate every single contribution however big or small I receive and I never take it for granted. I try my best to update the game as fast as my rendering rig alows me to try to pay back that tremendous support.

So TL;DR, I'm so sorry you feel this way, I do appreciate your concerns and understand the point you make, I would love to be able to present the business model you talk about but in my situation it's just not possible.
 

Faenon

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So this site was basically just to promote the game I guess.
Just a quick point of clarity here. I did not put Best Friends onto this site. Someone kindly took it from itch and uploaded here, I only found out about the upload here through one of my Patreons who had seen this thread and started supporting me. Since then I pop on here to interact with folks, keep them updated and thank them for there interest. It was not my intent to use the site for promotion, I guess it's kind of evolved into that but that was not what I set out to do.
 

Durbog

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I love this site much more than itch.io , because this site have much better tag system and better navigation through games. For that reason, and its my opinion only, promote things here is much better than on itch.io . I dont use Steam, because i play these Renpy games on tablet. So, yes, i found Best Friends here, i love that game and i am now on patreon and support Faenon , because i think he do good work.
 

Paul Newmon

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It isn't surprising that someone on F95 would complain of paying for something they think they are entitled to for free. These freeloaders have zero idea what a dev goes through to put out their VN. So, THANK YOU for your 500 word answer. Maybe, just maybe, they will read it. Maybe, just maybe, they will realize how immature their request (demand?) really is (getting a game for free). PIRACY is the bane of every Dev. PIRACY = STEALING. Their low to zero moral code allows them to justify stealing.
In a perfect world, the first episode/release of every VN would be for free, and every subsequent release would require some amount of money to continue enjoying the VN.
FYI--my words are not aimed at an individual post or poster. They are for those that might ever complain about placing a Dev's hard work behind a paywall, when at least one release of their game is available for free.
 

pceney

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It isn't surprising that someone on F95 would complain of paying for something they think they are entitled to for free. These freeloaders have zero idea what a dev goes through to put out their VN. So, THANK YOU for your 500 word answer. Maybe, just maybe, they will read it. Maybe, just maybe, they will realize how immature their request (demand?) really is (getting a game for free). PIRACY is the bane of every Dev. PIRACY = STEALING. Their low to zero moral code allows them to justify stealing.
In a perfect world, the first episode/release of every VN would be for free, and every subsequent release would require some amount of money to continue enjoying the VN.
FYI--my words are not aimed at an individual post or poster. They are for those that might ever complain about placing a Dev's hard work behind a paywall, when at least one release of their game is available for free.
I know you didn't address my post directly, but my concern was for the growth of the game and the dev sincerely. I understand Faenons position and appreaciate his post. I will probably end up supporting this game, as it really is special.

If you see my join date, I remember and financially supported adult games/devs before F95 existed. While the Patreon style support system never was my preference or indeed practise, there is no doubt it grew the industry enormously.

This would not have ever occured without the 'F95 PIRATE SITE' acting as a market hub bringing pirates/customers/patrons & devs together with access to easily searchable content. So PIRACY = STEALING is reductive in the adult game ecosystem.
 
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Knight_of_the_lance

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I found Best friends here and now am supporting. If I must add my grain of salt to the piracy discussion, it's not so much piracy that cause problems as much as key reselling and third partys financially profiting from the dev's work that cause issue and actually cost devs time and money. There is a theory/research that express/found that 90% of pirates if they didn't have access to piracy would not have bought the game anyways. Those are therefore not lost sales. If you push that logic they still can help promote the game to their friends who may be able to support the game and buy it through legitimate means. Now in my opinion that is all well and good, but the existence of incentives to support is also paramount in helping a project live and develop further. And IMO Best Friends need all the support it can get. I am saddened about the news concerning the house. If I could help more I would, but having been in a bind recently too, even if not as dire, I don't really have the means to do more for now.
 
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Faenon

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I found Best friends here and now am supporting. If I must add my grain of salt to the piracy discussion, it's not so much piracy that cause problems as much as key reselling and third partys financially profiting from the dev's work that cause issue and actually cost devs time and money. There is a theory/research that express/found that 90% of pirates if they didn't have access to piracy would not have bought the game anyways. Those are therefore not lost sales. If you push that logic they still can help promote the game to their friends who may be able to support the game and buy it through legitimate means. Now in my opinion that is all well and good, but the existence of incentives to support is also paramount in helping a project live and develop further. And IMO Best Friends need all the support it can get. I am saddened about the news concerning the house. If I could help more I would, but having been in a bind recently too, even if not as dire, I don't really have the means to do more for now.
Thanks man, I appreciate your concern and honestly you do more than enough to support me, please don't feel like you need to do more. At least we have some time to find a solution, down sizing is obviously an option as is living outside the city, although as you know in Canada, there are not too many options outside the metropolises. We'll sort something out, just frustrating that as the cost of living has gone up so much in recent times and my mortgage hasn't gone down, the place I work at froze my salary, so in essence I take a pay cut every year :(
 

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I was already planning to break the habit of a lifetime by becoming a Patreon (Is that a thing?) and suporting this special & unique game. Our earlier exchange Faenon convinced me pull the trigger early, as a "Great Friend" for the long term. I hope it inspires others to join as well.
 

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Just a quick point of clarity here. I did not put Best Friends onto this site. Someone kindly took it from itch and uploaded here, I only found out about the upload here through one of my Patreons who had seen this thread and started supporting me. Since then I pop on here to interact with folks, keep them updated and thank them for there interest. It was not my intent to use the site for promotion, I guess it's kind of evolved into that but that was not what I set out to do.
well, my turn to be clear now.. lol

I was just giving the guy an answer and since I saw what you posted on your patreon I just thought it would be better to repost it here so people know exactly what's up just to avoid potential people misinterpreting me explaining what I read.

On that note, I've been clear in the past and I'm gonna say it again, you are truly a devoted dev and I love your game so far. It's fun to be able to talk with a dev about anything and to get a fairly quick answer to our question because I know you are not obligated to do so but you do take the time so I really appreciate you!

P.S: I'm sorry if I created a monster, I didn't think things would escalate like that. By no means I meant to throw you under the bus...
 
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well, my turn to be clear now.. lol

I was just giving the guy an answer and since I saw what you posted on your patreon I just thought it would be better to repost it here so people know exactly what's up just to avoid potential people misinterpreting me explaining what I read.

On that note, I've been clear in the past and I'm gonna say it again, you are truly a devoted dev and I love your game so far. It's fun to be able to talk with a dev about anything and to get a fairly quick answer to our question because I know you are not obligated to do so but you do take the time so I really appreciate you!

P.S: I'm sorry if I created a monster, I didn't think things would escalate like that. By no means I meant to throw you under the bus...
Don't worry, it's perfectly fine. This question was going to come up at some point, I'm actually a little shocked it took so long. All I was trying to say in my long ass response above was that for little solo guys like myself the effort required and the financial cost too is not small, I've tried to offer a decent amount of content for free but at some point I have to try to recover some of my costs. The important thing here for any dev is that the paid for content offers the supporters value for money, I'm working hard on this score to keep getting out updates on a regular basis.
 
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