VN Ren'Py Between Duty and Love [v1.1] [DigitalJPlayground]

[JoeTheMC84]

Trying to give this game one more try, nothing has changed, still animated BJ for NPCs, stripper Aunt, groped Mom.
On to the new stuff
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Here we go...didn't I tell you that the dick sucking one will come to the MC with her sad dick sucking story?

A lot of masturbation and day dreams, thankfully the dev avoided showing full frontal, or worse hardcore in those scenes. I hate when the canon relationships is milked slow burn, but you've already seen the LI naked, or fucked in dreams, or custom render sets, takes away all the anticipation and tension of actually getting the LI naked for the first time.

Hopefully this is the last MC masturbation scene, no one wants to look at a dude stroking his dick, unless a tag is missing.
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Also not a fan of the femdom, gimp undertone in that other dream. Don't mind femdom/maledom as options, but dislike when the MC is established as liking one of them by default.

The teasing with the Aunt and sis was done well. All in all I am still sticking around to see where this is going, somewhere decent, or goes full dumpster fire.


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Well, there it goes. All the people who gave the dev the benefit of the doubt are on the road to looking rather foolish, if they are self aware enough to have some introspection maybe they can jump ship now. Surprise of surprises that the clear as day stupid porn plot of a girl sucking dick for grades is going this way. And here comes the always cliche, simp MC 3000, to "save" the poor little slut that just had no other choice but to suck dick while he was in the room... besides literally anything else. It'd be easy as pie too and you can even keep the dumb blackmail for grades shit; just start by removing the previous scene of her being a slut and sucking dick, and have her story start here when the Mc sees her looking forlorn, she tells the Mc about how the principal wants to make her do sexual stuff with him for grades and then you have her and the Mc set him up to blackmail the asshole by getting him on camera making his demands. What a concept right? Having the Mc rescue a girl BEFORE she is sexual abused... I know, it's crazy... Who could imagine such a high concept genius plot as not having a girl be a slut and instead having the Mc be an actual heroic figure who saves people before the bad shit happens?

It seems like the dev is just chomping at the bit to make his thinly veiled cuckoldry fetish the focus, but he also wants to milk harem and vanilla fans as long as he can and all the guys who play "avoidable" games are on their way to falling for it again. If I'm wrong, then the dev is just really bad at making a game that isn't for fans of cuckoldry and NTR.

I highly reccomend that anyone who isn't happy with the current content or direction of the game go complete the survey and let the dev know as much.

All the vanilla and harem fans have already written this off by now, especially after seeing that nothing was changed and the game is still focused on other guys getting their dicks wet while the weak Mc is content with flirting and teasing while he's stuck jacking off to dreams and watching other guys get their dicks sucked. And he'll be "rescuing," the poor cock suckers from the evil bad guys.



I wrote more, but have put it in a spoiler. Read it if you want, it gets a little less than cordial...

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[Oh my]

Gave it a whirl.
Not as bad as I thought in some ways, but in other ways it has to be a comedy.
45 year old dress wearing, assault rifle wielding, spy mom with the midriff of a teen drops her clothes for a guy revealing bdsm style taped nipple garb and gets offended when he reaches for what unmistakably looks like a whore.
Then she outright beats his ass somehow.
Typical mom behavior.

She doesn't need to be saved.
I have no idea what MC's role is.
If MC isn't a turbo-Chad, then he's chopped liver: a boytoy walking dildo.
It's emasculating and women don't select for that.

 

[sergesan]

Well, there it goes. All the people who gave the dev the benefit of the doubt are on the road to looking rather foolish, if they are self aware enough to have some introspection maybe they can jump ship now. Surprise of surprises that the clear as day stupid porn plot of a girl sucking dick for grades is going this way. And here comes the always cliche, simp MC 3000, to "save" the poor little slut that just had no other choice but to suck dick while he was in the room... besides literally anything else. It'd be easy as pie too and you can even keep the dumb blackmail for grades shit; just start by removing the previous scene of her being a slut and sucking dick, and have her story start here when the Mc sees her looking forlorn, she tells the Mc about how the principal wants to make her do sexual stuff with him for grades and then you have her and the Mc set him up to blackmail the asshole by getting him on camera making his demands. What a concept right? Having the Mc rescue a girl BEFORE she is sexual abused... I know, it's crazy... Who could imagine such a high concept genius plot as not having a girl be a slut and instead having the Mc be an actual heroic figure who saves people before the bad shit happens?

It seems like the dev is just chomping at the bit to make his thinly veiled cuckoldry fetish the focus, but he also wants to milk harem and vanilla fans as long as he can and all the guys who play "avoidable" games are on their way to falling for it again. If I'm wrong, then the dev is just really bad at making a game that isn't for fans of cuckoldry and NTR.


All the vanilla and harem fans have already written this off by now, especially after seeing that nothing was changed and the game is still focused on other guys getting their dicks wet while the weak Mc is content with flirting and teasing while he's stuck jacking off to dreams and watching other guys get their dicks sucked. And he'll be "rescuing," the poor cock suckers from the evil bad guys.



I wrote more, but have put it in a spoiler. Read it if you want, it gets a little less than cordial...

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[Maverick369]

Will mc watch aunt stripping.

 

[Danieljw99]

Then why are you mad? if you have 0 interest in the sex worker LI just ignore her, pretty sure the game gives you the chance to do that! do you understand that you are mad because a LI you are not interested could be fucking off-screen?

Look I understand, as I said I don't like NTR (unless it's the MC fucking the woman of someone else) but to me this game doesn't have NTR... yet! to clasify this as full NTR a few things should happen first:

-First of all, the woman as to be our woman, so far we have our mom, our sister, our aunt, our teacher, our classmate, none of them had sex with the MC yet.
-Once that happen, they have to show them cheating, so far we got saw blowjobs of named character that could be LI but aren't yet, they aren't even doing it because they like the person, one is being forced, the other just because she wants to improve her grades, I'm not interested in any of them, but unlike you I don't care because I will ignore them... about the mom, I don't count her, because all we have seen is the mom seducing a guy but kicking his ass when he touched her, neither count the aunt because she could be just dancing, hell, she could be just the barwoman.
-They have to humiliate the MC, that didn't happen yet, could happen? sure, the intro already shows us the villain torturing a guy so I can see it happening to the MC too, with the outcome of the villain fucking a LI as game over, but well, if that's the case I will do my best to avoid the bad outcome.

We have to understand that this isn't a nun game, people fuck, every game has a slutty character (like the classmate) that of course is not virgin when the MC fuck her, I also feel that NTR could be possible in the future but as long the game give us freedom of choice, it's fine.

I think think there is a bar meter that measure someone tolerance to cuck scenes. You might not like it, but I think it doesn't bother you cause being cuck might be something that you are open to. You need to uncover those feelings. Praying for you ❤

 

[Chimba]

Hopefully this is the last MC masturbation scene, no one wants to look at a dude stroking his dick, unless a tag is missing.

Is that the Mc?

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[NebulousShooter]

Is that the Mc?

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Some sort of weird dream about his teacher, we still didn't get anything with her other than her inviting him to study at her house on the weekend, but in the dream it hints at femdom. Surprising, since she didn't seem to come on strong before that dream, maybe thats what he wishes she would be like, which imo is worse. Any unsavory kinks being by default part of the MC's likes are a huge turn off.

 

[DigitalJPlayground]

I'm concerned that if the atmosphere here doesn't improve and become more constructive, I'll stop engaging. I don't understand the fixation on the NTR theme; it feels like some are almost hoping for it. I hate having to justify myself, and frankly, some opinions here don't matter to me. However, I'm trying to salvage the mood so we can continue using this forum productively.

To clarify: Did the previous two short games feature NTR? No. Will this one? No. If you're uncomfortable seeing minor characters in sexual situations with others besides the MC, I understand why you might dislike the first update. I want a story with diverse characters, personalities, and a range of experiences to create deeper engagement than a simple, vanilla story. That this isn't achievable in two updates should be obvious. I wouldn't read ten pages of a book and then claim to know the entire plot.

Regarding the survey, I'm surprised it generated so much discussion. It was primarily for my personal interest in data collection. To those who shared screenshots and complained: Excluding taboo scenarios would have yielded inaccurate and unrepresentative results. And to those accusing me or the community of wanting NTR, you'd be surprised by the results. NTR, polyamory, and cuckolding weren't even in the top 15 out of 19 options—even including my personal preferences—and these results were from when the survey was Patreon-only. I'm curious about your comments, but the statistics are factual. My inclusion of MC appearance stemmed from a personal preference; I find it jarring playing a game with an unattractive MC I'm supposed to relate to. I can't personally do that, so I was curious if my opinion diverged from the norm. This has nothing to do with homosexual preferences. Also, I find VNs ridiculous when only the female characters are attractive, leaving the men looking like Quasimodos.

Finally, to those who've written off the game after an update, that's perfectly acceptable; I wouldn't play something I didn't enjoy. But I ask that you not spoil the experience for others who are anticipating future updates or considering trying the game. That's all for now.
Have a great weekend!
Best regards, DJP<3

 

[JoeTheMC84]

I'm concerned that if the atmosphere here doesn't improve and become more constructive, I'll stop engaging. I don't understand the fixation on the NTR theme; it feels like some are almost hoping for it. I hate having to justify myself, and frankly, some opinions here don't matter to me. However, I'm trying to salvage the mood so we can continue using this forum productively.

To clarify: Did the previous two short games feature NTR? No. Will this one? No. If you're uncomfortable seeing minor characters in sexual situations with others besides the MC, I understand why you might dislike the first update. I want a story with diverse characters, personalities, and a range of experiences to create deeper engagement than a simple, vanilla story. That this isn't achievable in two updates should be obvious. I wouldn't read ten pages of a book and then claim to know the entire plot.

Regarding the survey, I'm surprised it generated so much discussion. It was primarily for my personal interest in data collection. To those who shared screenshots and complained: Excluding taboo scenarios would have yielded inaccurate and unrepresentative results. And to those accusing me or the community of wanting NTR, you'd be surprised by the results. NTR, polyamory, and cuckolding weren't even in the top 15 out of 19 options—even including my personal preferences—and these results were from when the survey was Patreon-only. I'm curious about your comments, but the statistics are factual. My inclusion of MC appearance stemmed from a personal preference; I find it jarring playing a game with an unattractive MC I'm supposed to relate to. I can't personally do that, so I was curious if my opinion diverged from the norm. This has nothing to do with homosexual preferences. Also, I find VNs ridiculous when only the female characters are attractive, leaving the men looking like Quasimodos.

Finally, to those who've written off the game after an update, that's perfectly acceptable; I wouldn't play something I didn't enjoy. But I ask that you not spoil the experience for others who are anticipating future updates or considering trying the game. That's all for now.
Have a great weekend!
Best regards, DJP<3

I've decided to respond in the hopes of clarifying my thoughts in greater detail. You can read it if you like, I'll be putting it in a spoiler tab so it doesn't bog down the thread and can be avoid if you prefer not to read it.

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PS: I will add that it is unfortunate that the actions of other devs and such can sometimes come out to bite other people. But humans are creatures that survive based on pattern recognition and that part of our brain is hard to ignore and over come. So when similar patterns arise, people tend to expect similar outcomes and here on this site we've been proven right far more often then we have been proven wrong. So, I'll apologies if I seem overly harsh in anything I've said or if my assumptions end up far off base. And I'll wish you the best no matter what the outcome.

PPS: Added a minor edit in the spoiler part.

 

[ArunPrime]

This is for the Developer,

I appreciate the detailed response and your effort to clarify things. I get that you want to create a diverse story with different perspectives, and I respect that. However, just as you have your vision, players also have preferences. If people are expressing concerns, it's likely because they’ve seen similar patterns before and are wary of where things might go.

If players dislike the game, it’s not their fault. The story, mechanics, and rendering are all developer choices. Players react to what they experience.

Criticism isn’t just noise; it’s feedback. If many players share the same concerns, maybe the issue isn’t the audience—it’s the execution.

Blaming players won’t fix anything. Either set clear expectations from the start or be open to adjustments. Otherwise, people will just move on.

Players don’t randomly decide to dislike a game. Their reactions are based on how it’s written, structured, and presented. If a significant number of players are raising concerns, it’s worth looking at what went wrong rather than dismissing their opinions.

That said, you don’t need to justify your creative choices to everyone, just like players don’t need to justify their preferences. If the game turns out well and stays true to your promises, then great. If not, people will naturally move on.

Regards .

 

[Faxe10%]

The milf/mom is very hot, but the whole story/game is NTRish. Too bad...I don't like it. I'm leaving and the last one closes the door...Anyway, have a nice trip around the sun to everyone also for tomorrow, I hope it will be for me too...

 

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[Juerhullycin]

man i should have read the threat before i played this game what an absolute shitshow

MC is part of a proud family of whores he goes to a school full of whores. the game probably plays in a reality where you can get a fuck with your happy meal at McDonalds for an additional 5 bucks

 

[NebulousShooter]

“Excluding taboo scenarios would have yielded inaccurate and unrepresentative results.” Since I didn’t read it, I wonder if you included fetishes like bestiality, scat, or necrophilia? Many people assume you included what you did because you are interested if there is an audience for the included fetishes since if you have no interest in them then excluding them actually doesn’t skew the data any more than excluding the three I listed. Now if you included those as well, fair point, but I do wonder if you didn’t, why those were left off but NTR and such were included unless you are seeking to know if they are viable for inclusion in this or future projects?

This. The only way it gives inaccurate results if you actually intend to include said content. You don't care how many people like fantasy AVNs if you only plan to make contemporary settings AVN.

One more thing, I am still giving him the benefit of the doubt even with so many red flags, but, it has to be said the justifications for why the questionable content exists is ridiculous, just because you make a 'porn game', doesn't mean every aspect has to be sexual in nature. You can create complex characters with their own agendas, wants and desires without voyeurism and cuckoldry, you can create a hated villain without him being shown fucking, you can have trauma that isn't rape, or sexual harassment, you can show promiscuous characters that aren't sex workers...you get the drill. The justifications are always bogus when in reality the simple answer and the only one that makes sense is the dev finds them hot, or he is catering to a certain audience.

 

[Soulpuppet]

Regarding the survey, I'm surprised it generated so much discussion. It was primarily for my personal interest in data collection.

Look. I get it. Some of us can get a little, lets say, passionate about some thing that looks promising to us. I don't think people want you to change, I just think people don't want you to lead people on either. It seems your intention wasn't just your personal interest in what people liked you're considering adding them to BDAL. This is what happened to many games in the past that were abandoned after making polls or adding something questionable. That's why it's made a big stink around here on the forum thread.

Who are you trying to appeal to for your game? If you're trying to appeal to the vanilla harem fan, most will turn away as soon as you show someone else getting their dick wet that isn't the MC. You say their isn't NTR but the whole girl and principle scene shows otherwise because she's gonna be trauma dumping trying to make the player feel sorry for her, so they'll accept her. This has been done a lot. To be honest the start of the game is a typical NTR plot. So if a fan of NTR comes in and sees that they're going to get excited only for you to turn around and say their is no NTR this will then drive them away.

I'm just having a hard time trying to see where you're trying to go with the game because what you're saying and what you're doing are polar opposite of what people were expecting. I really do wish you luck with your game. I'm just disappointed as well as many others with how this is being approached is all.

 

[Eleanorduval]

the game are good like is it,there is no dev who can satisdy everyone.Let him work on his games instead of dictate him what to do of his game.

 

[Eleanorduval]

I haven't tried this game yet, but I guess this Lily is the MC's totally of legal age roommate.
Am I right?

yeah lily his sister

 

[Aristos]

yeah lily his sister

The best type of wincest
Thank you!

 

[Soulpuppet]

the game are good like is it,there is no dev who can satisdy everyone.Let him work on his games instead of dictate him what to do of his game.

See the problem is people like you who try to silence people bringing up valid concerns. I know you like the way the game is going because your top games are AI generated NTR phone games. People can voice their concerns on a forum. Now the dev will probably just ignore it but just because you like something doesn't mean others will and that's completely fine.

 

[Eleanorduval]

The best type of wincest
Thank you!

agree incest + thriller,wish if update are long