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Dessolos
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Yeah I got the feeling already. Not saying I dislike her or anything just if im going by appearance I prefer the old model haha not a big deal only commented cause kind of a bummer cause that's the type of look I love
Daermon420
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Yeah I'm with you on this one. I like her new look but think they went just a tad overboard with her boobs. I can't really complain though because there is some actual variety in cup sizes, unlike many other games where they all have huge melons.
Dessolos
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im just glad when she got introduced she already had the new looks already cause while perfer the old model more I would of disliked it more if we spent time with the old look first then just got the "upgrade"
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Oh agreed completely. I actually hate when games pull that shit. It's especially heinous to me when I really like a character, then they go through some drastic visual change for the worse (imo) and the MC goes on and on about how much hotter she is now. It's why I almost completely avoid games with stuff like bimbofication.
JoeTheMC84
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I'm not sure what "harem" games your playing that have a large chunk of the woman as virgins.
In most so called harems your lucky if a younger sister is a virgin, let alone the majority of the girl. There are maybe 5 games I can think of that have majority virgins, the majority of game don't even hit close to a 50/50 split of virgins to non-virgins (leaving out milfs entirely from the numbers, as a game with mostly milfs would of course not have a majority virgins), and that's before you even getting into the concept that for most games if a girl isn't a virgin the devs tend to default to "So she's a slut." Which was the other guy's point.Considering how many "harem" games quickly drive off harem fans with the way they handle content and characters. There are a shit-ton of "harem" games with sluts and non-virgins that outnumber the virgins by a wide margin, hell, there are a bunch of "harem" games that put you in control of literally brothels,
The other guy's post (that you responded to) was just about how it seems like there is rarely a middle ground for characters, they are either a virgin you have to wait 20 updates to get anywhere with, or they are a slut that talks all the time about how much they enjoy getting dicked down or, at best, they comment on how "much bigger or better you are" then all the other guys they let bone them. And that is far too often the case.
But anyway, as for this game, I don't see it the way you do I guess. Outside of this latest update, with one (in my opinion needless and very out of place) scene at a brothel, and a few lines of dialog from Lara. There wasn't anything else that has been overtly slutty (as far as girls clearly being sluts outside of the context of doing it for, and targeted at, the Mc). I think pretty much everyone is fine with girls who act slutty for the Mc, which so far it seems like most of the "slutty" comments form most of the girls could easily be interpreted as.
All that to say, I think that unless Mist_Step says something like, "This game will have more brothel scenes and more times when girls talk about banging other guys and how big of sluts they are," it is probably best for you not to say that kind of stuff and drive other players away on the developer's behalf. Just as one example, Beast here actually supports games financially (I'll only support finished games since I got burned one too many times), so you're comment, about how you perceive and think the story is going, can effect the dev's finance. Just fyi. Obviously, it's a relatively open forum, free speech and all that, I'd just advice not to intentionally tell people to avoid the game based on how you interpret things,
I'd wait to definitively hear from the dev before taking a random user's view on things about this and giving up on the game entirely. Yeah, this update was a little off (in my mind) but it was far from the worst offender in that category and the family and most of the girls don't give off slutty vibes to me so far. If, for example, both of the sisters ended up not being virgins (worse if they make a big deal about it) then I'd be with you, but one chick at the office giving off slut vibes doesn't mean the game is more focused on that type of girl.
Also, Mist_Step, is there any chance you could make the sex scene at the brothel skippable (don't have to watch it) or avoidable (doesn't happen at all)? I get why going there might be mandatory, we meet a couple of characters there that might come into play later. And the Mc and player both got told it was just a strip club, so it didn't seem like a big deal at first. But maybe is there a way to just skip the sex scene part? I've already played it and past that moment and will keep playing either way, but it might make it better for new players when the moment comes to not have it be forced. I know a couple of other people (including me) have already commented about it, but I don't recall anyone specifically asking about this. You did say:
Which seems to mean you just didn't see it as a big deal. But there wasn't any comment on if you would be willing to add that choice in now.
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After 805 VN's played/tried....the vast majority of them.
JoeTheMC84
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As someone who has played about the same number, if not more, and specifically looks for the harem and virgin tags, no, "the vast majority of them," don't have more virgins than non-virgins. As I said in my post, you're lucky if a game has a close to 50/50 split (which is more common) if you leave out milfs (actual mothers, not just older ladies) since they inherently skew the numbers. But considering that most games aren't harems at all (what % of that "805" games you played are actually harems?), which is the sub-set we're talking about, no, the vast majority don't focus more on virgins. Most games seem to shoot for 50/50-ish from what I've seen, and of the remainder more have non-virgins outnumber virgins. And again, focusing on harems here, since if you include NTR games, for example, a shit ton of them have a lot of virgins, because a big part of that fetish for a lot of folks is seeing girls lose their virginity to other guys while the Mc is forced to watch. (Edit: And then of course there is the question of what makes a virgin appealing to fans of virgins and how games apply it: I saw a game once that billed itself as having a lot of virgins, but nearly everyone had given blowjobs and a few even regularly had anal sex with other people, then you have "dick virgins," where the girl has either used toys herself or is a lesbian who's been sexual with girls with strap-ons and dildos, are any of those really virgins? To folks who seek out virgins in these games, probably not, but even taking them as virgins, yeah, that math don't math to say that it is the "vast majority.")
But I won't bog the thread down anymore with this discussion, if you're willing to, I guess we'll just agree to disagree.
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Alright who was the one who unraveled the mysteries of the Universe with Camila dialogue ? Don't worry you did excellent it's great to see some sense of cosmic experience on this game ! Only the people who know will understand that sentence perfectly.
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I haven't bothered to keep count but seeing as harem is one of my favorite tags, I've played a ton of them. They're like the porn version of pokemon, gotta fuck em all!
And yes, many harem games have a disproportionate amount of virgins in my experience.
Both sisters may very well be virgins. But even if they aren't, so what? God forbid they might have had sex before the MC gets together with them, otherwise they're tainted apparently. This kind of thing is why I think so many harem games lean hard into virginal love interests. Because if they don't, people like you complain and judge the game not worth playing, often leaving bad reviews on the way out.
And apparently your slutty radar is broken because it's more than just one woman in the office giving off those vibes. Did you miss the entire plot point that his buddy Justin (who is for some reason collaborating with the MCs wife) deliberately filled up the office with that type? The MC complained about it, multiple times even I think, because he doesn't want to get sued for banging women in his office.
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JoeTheMC84
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Way to misrepresent me and what I was saying.
This is the problem, not people having a preference, but people who see a preference in others as making them deficient or as them judging someone else's preference. People act like those who prefer virgins are some how lesser than those who don't care. Yes, if the sisters aren't virgins then I'll enjoy the game less and depending on how it is handled I might opt out. So what? I'd do the same if suddenly the mom revealed that she likes to fuck dogs. Does that preference make me deficient in your mind? Yes, I'd see them as tainted, the same way that if Rose suddenly said, "Hey Mc, will you drop a dump in my mouth, I really like scat, teehee." I'd see her as tainted. If that happened, would you just stick around or would you voice your opinion that it was a bad choice and made her "tainted" in your mind? Would something like that cause you to, "complain and judge the game not worth playing, often leaving bad reviews on the way out." I'd venture that it might. I'm sure there a ton of games you've dropped or haven't played because they have things in them you dislike. Maybe you avoid Female Mc games, or something, whatever, so why is my preference wrong while yours are fine? Why are you allowed to have preferences that might make you stop playing a game, but I'm not?
I don't like sluts, I don't like it when the Mc is just random guy number 500 that some whore has fucked, and I like it even less when it gets rubbed in the player's face. And in a harem game there is no shortage of girls, and I'm under no obligation to give anyone the benefit of the doubt, or "understand" their past. These aren't real people. Which is another problem. A lot of folks judge us virgin and harem fans as if we'd see women irl the same way. Which is like saying that all NTR fans are cucks irl (which can get you banned from the site fyi) but I've been called a incel and misogynist for liking virgins in my fiction. Why? These girls aren't real, most real women wouldn't ever fuck their brother. Most real women aren't trying to get their man to fuck his family. Most real people don't have a friend who wants them to fuck his sisters and wife who works with that friend to set up an office so he can fuck a bunch of hot chicks. So why draw the line at "well it isn't realistic for them to be virgins," and have them have fucked a bunch of other guys before the Mc? Why not have the fantasy extent to that as well? And why is it treated some kind of moral failure that I'd like it to extent to that too?
And did you miss the part where the dev himself said that most of the girls didn't take the question to mean they would be expected to deep throat their boss but thought it was a trick question, or something there to make sure they were paying attention to the questions he was asking and not just answering yes to everything to look good, when they got asked about not having a gag reflex and that I said myself, there is a difference between girls being slutty for the Mc and saying shit like, "Oh, yeah, I got gangbang last night, and your so much better than them," kind of porn slut dialog we see all the time?
I happen to think my slut radar works just fine, I'm just not prejudging the girls based on a silly question the Mc's best friend asked, some ambiguous dialog from one or two girls, and in light of what the dev said. (Edit: And despite how it seems I got grouped, I am NOT someone who sees every non-virgin as automatically a slut, I expect most of the girls in the office not to be virgins, though it would be a nice surprise if some of them are. They just don't all have to be super slut 3000s.)
I really like the story so far, and Rose is one of the best characters I've seen in a game in a long time, so yeah, I hope the game doesn't take a turn into stuff I don't like, just like I'm sure you'd be unhappy if the game took a turn into some stuff you dislike, but unlike you and some others, I wouldn't judge you as lesser just because of where your line is.
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This x 1000!
It always seems to be the most insecure, fragile men who obsess over purity. And I am not specifically talking about other people who recently commented in this thread or anyone who likes virgins in games - you can all go enjoy your kinks. I am saying more so in general about manosphere podcast bros who spout nonsense & promote purity culture, etc.
--->> A woman isn't a slut just because she had sex a few times.
Every time I had sex with a virgin during my lifetime, the sex was terrible. All of my best sexual partners IRL were at least somewhat experienced. The fantasy is not appealing because the reality was always disappointing. Give me the woman with experience who knows what she wants in bed. I will make that choice all day, every day.
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JoeTheMC84
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Exactly, there is a distinction between in game and irl. Irl you are dealing with real people, people who are more than just one label or event. A person you should get to know and who deserves a level of understanding and empathy. But in games, no, there is no such expectation or obligation. If you go to something for entertainment and find it deficient in any way then you should be allowed to opt out with out any judgment. Just as one example, I know several people who will not play a game with black Mc because they cannot connect with the Mc if it is a different ethnicity. Personally, I don't care about that, as long as I can rename the Mc then I can enjoy it regardless of his ethnicity, but I would never judge someone who opts out of a game for that reason. Same with female Mc games, lots of people just won't even try them. I've played a few and had lots of fun with a couple of them, but it's harder to connect with her sometimes and really get into the story. So I usually don't play those.
And it is funny, because the best sex I ever had was with my virgin girlfriend after we'd gotten used to each other and she and I knew exactly what the other liked and how to make it great. So that is part of why I like the fantasy of it because I saw great it is compared to just another girl who does the same thing with me like she does with every other guy. There is an old expression, "An experience woman knows what other guys like, but you can teach a virgin what you like." But to each there own on that front,
That said, so few games go into that, the "training," for lack of a better term that should come along with the virgin kink. The idea that it might not be the best the first time, but you grow into it being awesome. That's actually part of the fetish for many people that just gets missed or lost in many games.
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