VN Ren'Py Beyond Tomorrow [Ch.2] [Dream Games]

[xCalon]

No, sister has never been an LI. Sam was the girlfriend in the original and had a sex scene, but 'people' complained and bitched and moaned. So Dev took it out, as well as a scene between sister and her girlfriend (Sasha).

I have literally zero problem with Olivia never being an LI. If I remember correctly that was clear on day one what tags want the dev avoid, and one of them was incest. And the same is true with Sam as a girlfriend. She could have easily stayed as a girlfriend, and then at some point they could have chosen to remain LI, or break up, but remain good friends.

IMO, the renders are a lot better in the remake and the girls are even hotter (especially Sarah for me - went from a 'meh' to a 'wow'). And dev removed the forced girlfriend and the lesbian scene that people complained about.

I completely agree with you. The renders are really much better, the difference between before and now is spectacular. Basically, the story may be interesting, but it's obviously not perfect, and I don't think it needs to be, I can easily get over any flaws and shortcomings.
And anyone can complain to me about how similar the characters are to each other, but those bodies... goddamn!
I could mention all of them, because - at least for me - they are all a pleasant sight.

But now we have complaints that there is no sex scene in the first 2 chapters.

"Fortunately" the so many had to tell the dev what and how to do it. This is not the first time, and it will not be the last, but the dev should have stuck to his vision.

 

[The Krogan Dude]

Sam was the girlfriend in the original and had a sex scene, but 'people' complained and bitched and moaned. So Dev took it out, as well as a scene between sister and her girlfriend (Sasha).

 

[yossa999]

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[Niuul]

No, sister has never been an LI. Sam was the girlfriend in the original and had a sex scene, but 'people' complained and bitched and moaned. So Dev took it out, as well as a scene between sister and her girlfriend (Sasha).

IMO, the renders are a lot better in the remake and the girls are even hotter (especially Sarah for me - went from a 'meh' to a 'wow'). And dev removed the forced girlfriend and the lesbian scene that people complained about.

But now we have complaints that there is no sex scene in the first 2 chapters.

Went back and read some of the old posts. Yikes. Can't believe people would actually throw around death threats (allegedly) because of a character in an AVN. I can understand some people not liking a forced GF when it isn't a harem game, but there's plenty of ways to write a break up between the 2 after the opening chapters that allows the player to choose a different LIs path.

The renders do look a lot better now too, so it's worth it in the end. I think anyways. Love a good slowburn if the writing is good.

 

[_Azrael_]

First time playing like a few others here. I didn't even know this is a rework. So far the game looks awesome. Theres no sex scenes but that's not a problem. I think this isn't the kind of game that in the third render the MC is already banging someone else mom. The history is good, well writen script, compeling characters. Not all VN's are about porn and maybe some people are complaining about it maybe those people should ignore it and play other games....or simply watch porn...without bitching around.

 

[ItsNotUs]

First time playing like a few others here. I didn't even know this is a rework. So far the game looks awesome. Theres no sex scenes but that's not a problem. I think this isn't the kind of game that in the third render the MC is already banging someone else mom. The history is good, well writen script, compeling characters. Not all VN's are about porn and maybe some people are complaining about it maybe those people should ignore it and play other games....or simply watch porn...without bitching around.

Don't play this game, go read a books!
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[StrongEpsilon]

The inevitable has happened. At this point I'm convinced that I'm the only one who understands what these magnificent chicks are going through. I wrote in the last post that I have a hunch that MC's tattoos have a negative influence on them and that could be one reason why there is no sex scene so far. Well, when the message is deleted for reasons hard to understand, then the first thought that came to my mind was that I have to stand by these chicks, I understand them, that these tattoos have a very very bad influence. Don't bring up in your commentaries about tattoos that the MC won't get laid by the end. Furthermore, your message will be deleted. I'm just as confused as these chicks. There's no way you can't be emotionally marked by something like that. At least for a few seconds...

 

[StrongEpsilon]

Don't play this game, go read a books!
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Oh, yes! A book is better. (Oops, this message isn't on topic. It risks being wiped out.)

 

[Just Jericho]

Not all VN's are about porn and maybe some people are complaining about it maybe those people should ignore it and play other games....or simply watch porn...without bitching around.

AVNs are porn games. It's adult entertainment. Also known as porn. The tits, ass, pussy, and all the fun things you can do with them is an expectation of the genre and people who are AVN fans often like this media because it's an effective fusion of storytelling, character relationships and porn content ... Developing in this genre comes with those expectations and the dev fully intends to exploit that, otherwise he wouldn't be making adult visual novels in the first place teasing close up shots of girls' tits and ass. An AVN without porn is like a king kong film without king kong. It just makes it underwhelming in it's genre.

I'm a pretty patient dude, and I do want to see where this VN goes. It is, after all, still only in Chapter 2. But because of the reworks, the story itself has stagnated and the story was pretty slow to begin with. Worse, the dev went and removed the only trace of romance between MC and any of the LIs introduced thus far, and removed the lewd scenes for questionable reasons. Thus the character relationships feel sterile and platonic making an already slow vn even more boring. It seems to me at least something should start budding by chapter 2. Something clearly establishing certain girls as love interests... but now they're just attractive NPCs. I mean the digital art is really good, but that by itself can only take the VN so far.

So the criticisms are 100% valid. All we can do from here on out and see where things go in the next chapter. I'm not ready to drop this one just yet. Hopefully Dream's decisions with the Ch2 rework aren't a sign of things to come. Otherwise it's bound to be another flaccid groaner much like the garbage from Dream's "dear mentor".

 

[Before I Forget]

If you need more than 2K renders and 2 years to come up with a good plot to set sex scenes you're doing something wrong.
Look at games like Domino Beach, it's not super kinky, it tells the story of the MC and has sex scenes since its demo.
Some people may think verbal diarrhea is good story telling, but to me oververbose writers are boring most times.
You have to be a good writer to pull that up and we're not talking about Conrad McCarthy here.

Using this AVN is a very poor example as the Dev has already rewritten his story and doesn't seem to be sold on what direction he wants to go.

Bottomline is, sure, not every Dev is going to be a a-list writer but the ones that are good at storytelling and clearly have an idea on the direction of their stories should be allowed to tell said stories without porned up headcases spamming the threads with "Is there any sex yet?" questions. Pornhub is still free last I checked. Let people that want to enjoy these AVN's in it's entirety do so.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

If you need more than 2K renders and 2 years to come up with a good plot to set sex scenes you're doing something wrong.
Look at games like Domino Beach, it's not super kinky, it tells the story of the MC and has sex scenes since its demo.
Some people may think verbal diarrhea is good story telling, but to me oververbose writers are boring most times.
You have to be a good writer to pull that up and we're not talking about Conrad McCarthy here.

Am I the only one that loves the update

and it seems that people don't realize that the game is not a fuck Fest

It's a story-based visual novel that is still in the introduction part

the story and characters are still being set up, it's more like a prologue

it's not like other games where people just fuck for no good reason

or like some other games, where after update after update, you still don't know what the story is about

 

[The Krogan Dude]

It's a story-based visual novel that is still in the introduction part

That's the problem. 2 years, 2 chapters and one rework and it still like a prologue.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

That's the problem. 2 years, 2 chapters and one rework and it still like a prologue.

soo I'm not going anywhere

and the rework greatly improved the story and removed the Friends with Benefits which I hate

so it's a small price to pay to wait a little longer

 

[The Krogan Dude]

soo I'm not going anywhere

and the rework greatly improved the story and removed the Friends with Benefits which I hate

Does it ? He removed some scenes and changed the relationship between Sam and the main character. I fail to see how that improved the story. Now there's no romantic progress with any girls at all.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

Does it ? He removed some scenes and changed the relationship between Sam and the main character. I fail to see how that improved the story. Now there's no romantic progress with any girls at all.

He also greatly expanded the dialogue between the mother and the daughter

And I'm sure he did other things that I didn't even notice

And as for the relationship, again, we're still setting up the story, like it or not, relationships will come

My girl wasn't even in this update, and you don't see me complaining

Is the story perfect No can certain things be improved Definitely

But it was still a pretty good update for a prologue

 

[The Krogan Dude]

He also greatly expanded the dialogue between the mother and the daughter

More dialogue that needed.

But it was still a pretty good update for a prologue

But it's not supposed to be a prologue, it's supposed to be the second episode.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

More dialogue that needed.



But it's not supposed to be a prologue, it's supposed to be the second episode.

If you're trying to tell a story with emotional scenes that just happened to have sex

yes yes it is


It could be worse. I know some games that have had six updates, and you have no idea what the story is about

But it had a random BJ in it that made no sense, so nobody complained

And I can't even mention it as an example because my comment will be deleted

With all due respect, it sounds like you're not complaining about the story, you're just complaining about the lack of sex

Oh and sometimes a prologue can take a little longer if you have a lot of things to set up

So it doesn't feel like people resolve differences really quick

Or things that appear in the story later on don't feel like they came out of nowhere

 

[Black Orchid]

That's the problem. 2 years, 2 chapters and one rework and it still like a prologue.

there were 2 reworks actually

 

[Ragnar]

Using this AVN is a very poor example as the Dev has already rewritten his story and doesn't seem to be sold on what direction he wants to go.

Bottomline is, sure, not every Dev is going to be a a-list writer but the ones that are good at storytelling and clearly have an idea on the direction of their stories should be allowed to tell said stories without porned up headcases spamming the threads with "Is there any sex yet?" questions. Pornhub is still free last I checked. Let people that want to enjoy these AVN's in it's entirety do so.

The pornhub nay sayers are stupid when we're dealing with videogames because nobody is asking for porn, people want eye candy or good looking characters. Using that same argument in a forum dedicated to actual porn vns is worse, because you're telling to people to not expect porn in porn vns

Am I the only one that loves the update

and it seems that people don't realize that the game is not a fuck Fest

It's a story-based visual novel that is still in the introduction part

the story and characters are still being set up, it's more like a prologue

it's not like other games where people just fuck for no good reason

or like some other games, where after update after update, you still don't know what the story is about

My criticism wasn't about the update but about the game overall. The game has great renders and some characters are pretty good but overall the story is too verbose. Of course this is my opinion, other people may think this is one of the best vns out there and that's fine.

 

[diolo]

But it was still a pretty good update for a prologue

Seriously? I checked again at the front ... the thread here was created 2 years ago!!! May 2023 - May 2025 = Prologue?!