Ren'Py Big Brother: Another Story Rebuild [v0.05.01] [Aleksey90]

[khumak]

the only think is you are trying to get viewers and typically it is quantity over quality. They will be in the pool longer than they will be in the bathroom so which camera are you going to watch.

I don't watch webcams personally so maybe the market for that works differently than porn, but I'm not sure quantity over quality is going to work that way. If you're looking for porn are you going to watch the girl in the bikini lounging by the pool or are you going to watch the naked girl masturbating in the bathtub? Presumably Max's webcams are not the only choice people have to choose from even if we as players don't have access to anything else in this game.

What about the girl laying on the couch fully clothed watching TV all day? Are you ever going to choose to watch that? I'm not. Now in terms of game mechanics you might be right and it might not make any difference what's happening in the room as long as someone is there, but that's not true in the real world and that certainly wouldn't be true if Max was just interested in watching for his own amusement either.

Even the game itself drives this point home eventually when Alice makes more progress with her blog. When all she's doing is solo lingerie shows she's not making much. She only starts really making money when she starts fucking Max on camera.

 

[Nemo56]

It would definitly be a nice gameplay element to get more income when we manage to get the girls to wear revealing outfits or even strip down or do something lewd (and of course having a camera in that room).

 

[khumak]

It would definitly be a nice gameplay element to get more income when we manage to get the girls to wear revealing outfits or even strip down or do something lewd (and of course having a camera in that room).

Yeah, it wouldn't even be hard to do. Just give some sort of naughty rating to each scene based on the clothing being worn (say 0 for fully clothed, 1 for bikini/underwear/towel, 2 for topless, 3 for naked) which serves as a multiplier for the income you would normally get. Then also give an additional naughty rating for whatever action is happening (0 for nonsexual stuff like watching tv, 1 for massage, 2 for oral, 3 for sex).

So you get nothing for a girl watching TV fully clothed (0 rating for both clothing and action), you get the most basic level of income for something like massaging Alice's feet while she's fully clothed watching TV (0 for clothing, 1 for the massage), double that if she's in a bikini by the pool (1 for clothing options and another 1 for the action), etc. Or you might want to give a higher rating for the action so for instance a massage might be worth 2, oral might be 4, sex might be 6.

 

[Nemo56]

Taking it a step further would be to have the factor being calculated on how frequently we manage to do that. Most people don't turn on the cam when something is happening, but when they actually expect something to happen.

 

[Shiva0067]

About the new camera in the bathroom.

My concern is about the Attorney/Lawyer (sorry can't think of her name right now) showing up. She appears shortly after the first (lounge) camera goes live, and now it appears she will be visiting again probably after the bathroom will be added. If she is visiting because of the cameras then the bathroom is a BIG danger, where the Pool area MIGHT be an issue, but not as dangerous to Max.

Yes, the ladies would (probably) be irritated to learn about the secret cameras in the lounge and pool but might accept them for the money. The Bathroom where they get naked would be a MASSIVE shift and could get Max thrown out of the house. So, having the new lawyer lady showing up and asking questions (that hint at knowing about the camera) would worry me.

My thought is that the pool area makes more sense for safety and increasing money because it gets more use. Sure, Max might make less money than in the bathroom, but will there be enough extra money (from the bathroom cam) to really be worth the risk?

Of course, I am also wondering about if there is another (hidden) room/area that was meant to have the system for running the cameras. Yes, the jerk (father?) that gave them the house might have been happy to put the control system in his bedroom, but if the plan had been to watch what was happening in the house secretly, then a hidden room would make more sense. Of course, the idea of another area we have yet to encounter also makes sense if you think about the house utilities like water, power and such. I know that the house was supposed to have solar power, but where are the batteries for that system? A hidden room in that area might make sense.

For the idea of increasing money for more revealing and sexy things happening. In a way we already have a system that could be used with a few adjustments. The viewer count is what matters for the amount of money earned from the cameras. An adjustment that increases that number based on what is happening (how naughty things get) would work as a method for that. I don't know ANYTHING about programming or how hard that would be to add, but it is an option. So, start with a base range for viewers that goes up if someone is in a room. Then add a modifier based on how naughty things are getting in that room. Like I said I have no idea how hard it would be to do, but it would probably be a simpler option than any other, and we (the players) can see the shift in viewers/money.

Just some thoughts.

 

[Master Bates Games]

The lawyer's name is Mia, though it was originally Maya in the old versions (heh, I wonder if she has a younger sister who is constantly being accused of murder.) She seemed to know about there being a camera in the lounge, but I don't know if she knows it's being used.
Is that right that she always shows up after the site is created? I wasn't paying attention to the timing of that when I played through it.

Either way I hope she's not there to expose anything (Eric would probably try that if he found out but hopefully he won't have the chance), would be nice to have another character outside the "family" that we eventually get to do things with. I want to see her reaction to Max's giant schlong lol. She seemed surprised at how casually Max hit on her, but also didn't exactly shut him down.

Just don't have Ann's ex-husband appear in person, we'd probably get 15 pages of raging about "NTR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!##&*$^&(#^$&#" over a character Ann wants nothing to do with.

Either that, or people wanting to see him fuck Alice and Lisa just like with Eric, ugh.

Though some backstory involving him that explains some of Ann's personality (and doesn't involve kidnapping and extremely traumatic child abuse) would be interesting.

 

[slexywexy]

Why not make it so on the true friendship path the You and Eric work together to corrupt the family since both have the same end goal in mind and since its a friendship they are friendly to each other like a big happy family!

 

[Master Bates Games]

I don't want a true friendship path lol.

It just leads to things I don't like doing as the MC in these games, plus I really don't want Eric getting involved with Lisa at all. I'd rather have her come out of her shell without having some creep grooming her, that includes Max.

 

[slexywexy]

easy don't play the true friendship path play the other 2 paths will never effect you or your game. also that path was already planned. also can we get to the point where the girls go to dinner table topless? felt like that was gonna happen at some point in the OG game.

 

[Master Bates Games]

Aleksey also said we wouldn't see Eric fucking Lisa anyway.

Having the girls be topless at dinner would be fun, that would probably not happen for a while. At least not until they're at the point of laying out by the pool topless/naked anyway.

Maybe Olivia would influence that, since she's used to being naked all the time at home.

 

[khumak]

Having the girls be topless at dinner would be fun, that would probably not happen for a while. At least not until they're at the point of laying out by the pool topless/naked anyway.

Maybe Olivia would influence that, since she's used to being naked all the time at home.

Yeah IMO he's crazy if he doesn't put Olivia content in soon. She's tailor made for making quick, satisfying levels of progress without requiring a long grind and she also provides an easy way to include Lisa in some cuckquean style content even if she's not the one getting most of the action. Eventually she'll join in but that can take as long as he wants it to.

 

[slexywexy]

Aleksey also said we wouldn't see Eric fucking Lisa anyway.

Having the girls be topless at dinner would be fun, that would probably not happen for a while. At least not until they're at the point of laying out by the pool topless/naked anyway.

Maybe Olivia would influence that, since she's used to being naked all the time at home.

Oh I see well I guess they don't have to 1 on 1 exactly they do have the sex classes to i guess watching is fine. Eric could like convince the mom to allow the relationship while teaching the classes or something.

 

[Master Bates Games]

Eric should be told no (by Lisa *and* Ann) to giving any kind of "lessons" to Lisa, then be kicked out when he tries to go behind Ann's back and manipulate Lisa into it when he's alone with her (basically like in the original version of this game but the lessons never happen at all.)

I've written a lot of (dumb) outlines and stuff for my own never-to-be-made BB game (and a bunch of other game ideas that will never get made into anything so it's not just BB) so I have lots of ideas for Eric's inevitable demise lol.

Speaking of the old version, I never really liked the way the Alice method happened.
Max having proof that Eric was jerking it to Alice while she's sleeping naked should have been enough without Max adding his own crime on top of it.
I know the game's not realistic in most ways but that would have had the police involved for sure, and more than likely ended with Max getting in serious trouble.

Anyway.

Yeah IMO he's crazy if he doesn't put Olivia content in soon. She's tailor made for making quick, satisfying levels of progress without requiring a long grind and she also provides an easy way to include Lisa in some cuckquean style content even if she's not the one getting most of the action. Eventually she'll join in but that can take as long as he wants it to.

I'd definitely prefer it being Olivia that helps get Lisa out of her shell, instead of some creepy "sex ed" lessons with Eric that are just a way for him to corrupt her into being another one of his "toys."

Honestly even some of the stuff Kira was doing with Lisa and Max was a bit much, just teach her how to give BJs and leave it at that until she's ready for more. She doesn't have to turn into the sexual freak (in a good way lol) that she was in Glamour, at least not until a point that's VERY late in the game anyway.

Kira can help with Ann once Eric's out of the way.

We'll also eventually have Alexandra (Kira's daughter) along with Kate and I'm assuming (desperately hoping for) Mia the lawyer in the mix too.

Oh and probably Olivia's mom too, and I wonder if the coffee shop girl (Vicki?) will be in this game.

 

[Shiva0067]

Well, I guess I'll do another one of my HUGE walls of text (you have been WARNED). This will be thoughts and ideas about what we know and what might happen. Yes, I'll divide it up in spoilers for the different characters so people can just read what they want (and less space on the page will be used).

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Alright, I'm done for now. These were just some thoughts. I have no idea what will happen beyond the scenes that have already been released. I claim nothing and want nothing if any of these ideas are used here or elsewhere (though Chocolate Chip Cookies are ALWAYS appreciated).

Just some thoughts.

P.S. I'm going to collapse now. These text walls are EXHAUSTING.

 

[khumak]

Olivia is MOSTLY connected to Lisa. Eventually we may have things happen between her and Max alone, but at this point progress with her is tied to progress with Lisa. For now, the focus should be on Max and Olivia getting to know each other, and the growing friendship between Olivia and Lisa. Over time the character of Olivia can help Lisa become more curious and comfortable with SEXY fun ideas. While not as quick or easy a path as Kira, Olivia IS easier than the other ladies.

Personally, I think the whole point of putting Olivia in there is to have a believable way to develop a love triangle between Max, Olivia, and Lisa, especially when progress with Lisa is in the early stages where she is not willing to do much with max. Rather than focus on 1 on 1 content with Olivia, personally I think it makes a lot more sense to focus specifically on Max doing stuff with Olivia right in front of Lisa. I would also be in favor of some lesbo "experimentation" between Olivia and Lisa in front of Max. To me a story arc like that is a lot more believable than "Sex Ed" from either her mother or her aunt.

I have no objection to 1 on 1 content with just Max and Olivia, but I think she's much more interesting as a means to advance Lisa's story arc rather than focusing on a separate arc just for herself. I think developing it as kind of a cuckquean arc makes the most sense since that way you can make rapid progress with Olivia while maintaining more of a slow burn with Lisa.

 

[Shiva0067]

Personally, I think the whole point of putting Olivia in there is to have a believable way to develop a love triangle between Max, Olivia, and Lisa, especially when progress with Lisa is in the early stages where she is not willing to do much with max. Rather than focus on 1 on 1 content with Olivia, personally I think it makes a lot more sense to focus specifically on Max doing stuff with Olivia right in front of Lisa. I would also be in favor of some lesbo "experimentation" between Olivia and Lisa in front of Max. To me a story arc like that is a lot more believable than "Sex Ed" from either her mother or her aunt.

I have no objection to 1 on 1 content with just Max and Olivia, but I think she's much more interesting as a means to advance Lisa's story arc rather than focusing on a separate arc just for herself. I think developing it as kind of a cuckquean arc makes the most sense since that way you can make rapid progress with Olivia while maintaining more of a slow burn with Lisa.

I agree with MOST of what you wrote. My disagreement is about a cuck queen story. My thought is more of a sharing route. Olivia is VERY open and free so I could see her (and Max) encouraging Lisa to experiment when they are all together. Before this version started to be remade Olivia was encouraging Lisa to be more open (being topless when the three watched movies) and this could continue. Maybe when she starts kissing Max, Olivia could encourage Lisa to try, while talking about how it is not a big deal to kiss her 'Roommate' and such. This would start the process of removing the 'Roommate' argument as more SEXY FUN activities begin.

I guess my idea is more of a corruption through temptation (and encouragement) path. Cucking tends to involve blocking or preventing the cucked person and can have nasty jealousy. My preferred path would be voluntary sharing and encouragement (Sharing is Caring) between friends WITHOUT any jealousy or other problems.

As to the girls experimenting with each other, I agree that it can (and SHOULD) happen. I don't know if it would be a faster or slower progression than Lisa 'experimenting' with Max, but it should probably advance at a similar rate. Heck Lisa spends MUCH more private time with Max, so it will probably take a little longer to get her active with another girl.

Just some thoughts

 

[khumak]

I agree with MOST of what you wrote. My disagreement is about a cuck queen story. My thought is more of a sharing route. Olivia is VERY open and free so I could see her (and Max) encouraging Lisa to experiment when they are all together. Before this version started to be remade Olivia was encouraging Lisa to be more open (being topless when the three watched movies) and this could continue. Maybe when she starts kissing Max, Olivia could encourage Lisa to try, while talking about how it is not a big deal to kiss her 'Roommate' and such. This would start the process of removing the 'Roommate' argument as more SEXY FUN activities begin.

I guess my idea is more of a corruption through temptation (and encouragement) path. Cucking tends to involve blocking or preventing the cucked person and can have nasty jealousy. My preferred path would be voluntary sharing and encouragement (Sharing is Caring) between friends WITHOUT any jealousy or other problems.

As to the girls experimenting with each other, I agree that it can (and SHOULD) happen. I don't know if it would be a faster or slower progression than Lisa 'experimenting' with Max, but it should probably advance at a similar rate. Heck Lisa spends MUCH more private time with Max, so it will probably take a little longer to get her active with another girl.

Just some thoughts

I don't think we really disagree on anything for this other than some semantics surrounding the definition of Cuckquean. My point is just that I think Lisa's story arc is more appealing if it develops as a temptation from her own voyeurism and maybe some competitive teasing between Max, Olivia, and herself rather than from blackmail or deal making by Max or some even more unlikely "sex ed" by her own mother. She already seems to have a voyeur side from the previous version.

 

[Master Bates Games]

I agree about involving Olivia as much as possible instead of most of the "sex ed" stuff (maybe Kira can help a little if anything, like she does with "kissing practice" with Max) or anything with Eric, and definitely about no blackmail or similar things.

 

[WtfwinPC]

I liked how the game was with alice with the exchange with her being up tight but getting corrupted over time into a sex addict for you.

I also love the idea with ann giving sex ed in the bathroom, really would love to see this happen while eric is around sort of like when he is in alices room messing with her you culk him with your mom in the bathroom, he can even catch both in the act later on and have a real interesting situation. Should be too hard to get away with this since eric is fine with letting you watch them have sex, ann picks up on this and you talk her into private lessons, plus you get early access to all those nice changing cloths nude scenes in the mornings.

 

[sn1978a1]

I hope

rebuilded version need NTL, NTL, swapping for Max
Erik's daughter? wife? sister? sex partner? attorney? anyone need for Max
Max do NTL, swapping and conquer erik's precious girl

If that's not the case
I think so
rebuilded version to be faithful NTR(or Max's girl sharing)