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Nemo56

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if Eric was never a challenge why then people talk about him always?, if he never was important why people don´t stop reacting about him?
People only talk about challengeing characters?
I also react to Alice, she's not challenging. If there's a "Moarrr Alice!" petition, I sign instantly.

And how exactly is Eric a challenge on Friendship and Fake Friendship path if you actually team up with him?
Only on War path he is the antagonist. And in the previous game the one and only challenge was to get a outfit before him by getting a bank credit. You had to keep the girls happy one way or another, no matter if Eric's there or not. So he was no challenge.
(edit: In one update the algorithm behind Alice's influence was bugged, Eric got way too much influence which could not be countered, but that was fixed)

you take Eric out, you lose content and at least Eric make the diference with other games like Bad Boby Saga, Man of the House or Straitened Times.
He won't be taken out, he'll be on both paths. But he also won't get any intimate interaction with the sisters. He is only a small part of the game, no matter what path you chose. All the opportunities that don't involve him in ay way work perfectly without him, there is no need to force him into anything.


And I repeat: There is already a game with tons of Eric content, more that will ever make it to this game, no matter how much his fans will beg for.


Because they're afraid Eric will end up fucking Max's soft childish ass.(I would love to see this scene.):ROFLMAO:
Eric understands Max in a way only a man can. Let them take a vacation together and meanwhile we get cool renders of the girls.
 
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I dont know why people keep bringing him up I guess some people this a games called Big Brother somehow is about Eric and not Max. Even in the Renpy Remake BB games it is played through the lens of Max not Eric. It seems those that want him in the games think he is needed even though they have never played the original and have no clue how evil the original Eric was.
 

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I dont know why people keep bringing him up I guess some people this a games called Big Brother somehow is about Eric and not Max. Even in the Renpy Remake BB games it is played through the lens of Max not Eric. It seems those that want him in the games think he is needed even though they have never played the original and have no clue how evil the original Eric was.
The name of the game is actually about the cameras :)
If someone at some point makes a Eric game, he has my blessing. I won't play it, since I don't want to play a character that reflects what his fans want from him (being abusive and brutal, also wanting to steal the house, in the original he even had a fake identity), but others might enjoy it. So ... why not.
 
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if Eric was never a challenge why then people talk about him always?, if he never was important why people don´t stop reacting about him? you take Eric out, you lose content and at least Eric make the diference with other games like Bad Boby Saga, Man of the House or Straitened Times.
Sigh, I guess it's time to post a VERY long message about the history of EVIL Scum Eric and why he is such a problem. If you want to skip the LONG explanation, then it boils down to Eric was a BAD character that was POORLY implemented and changed the original game completely. Many people HATE the character and want him gone (he isn't really needed) as there are other ways to create challenges for players that would be better. Aleksey90 has done (in my opinion) a MUCH better job with this than others I have seen.

Now the tale of EVIL. :)
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This was a 'Brief' look at what started the issue, and if you want more then look through the to many posts on the original games thread.

To wrap up this post (my fingers are starting to hurt), The game doesn't need the Eric Character to be good or possibly great. In the post I quoted there is mention of content being 'Lost' if the character is removed. My response to that is yes, a particular TYPE of content is lost. HOWEVER, the loss of that content would allow for MORE of the content that is preferred by the (on average) Larger group of followers.

Right, I need a break. I know that my history review doesn't really convey how HORRIBLE the original situation actually was, but it should give an idea as to why MANY people HATE the EVIL Scum Eric Character.

In conclusion, this version seems to be dealing with the EVIL Character fairly well so far, and I hope that it continues. We will be able to block or avoid most content with him and we have been told that he WILL be gone eventually to allow the story to continue.

Just some thoughts.
 

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The name of the game is actually about the cameras :)
If someone at some point makes a Eric game, he has my blessing. I won't play it, since I don't want to play a character that reflects what his fans want from him (being abusive and brutal, also wanting to steal the house, in the original he even had a fake identity), but others might enjoy it. So ... why not.
I actually have a plot for an Eric game, but it finishes just before he meets Ann I might try and make it one day
 

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I really enjoyed this history trip! Oh, the memories!
I only learned about the game when Eric was already a thing, before that I played text adventures and Illusion Software games.
But I remember that the script at that point was a mess. And kicking him out actually was a bit of a challenge in the original version, one could lose and see game over. In Alekseys version it's just a story script (which fits the gameflow better).
The most challenging element in BIBOAS (legacy version) is the RNG, when it comes to watching Alice having fun on her bed through the camera.
 
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The name of the game is actually about the cameras :)
If someone at some point makes a Eric game, he has my blessing. I won't play it, since I don't want to play a character that reflects what his fans want from him (being abusive and brutal, also wanting to steal the house, in the original he even had a fake identity), but others might enjoy it. So ... why not.
An Eric game would be an instant ignore thread for me for the reasons you said, all of that is why I hate him as a character.

Frankly how he acts is just about everything I don't want in these kind of games. I want the MC in the games I play to have fun with cute girls and hot MILFs that actually like being around him/her (I play female protag games too), not be a psychopath who treats them like shit and still gets whatever they want from them.

That kind of thing usually only appeals to a type of person that would love to treat real people that way and get away with it.

Max definitely pushes it a bit sometimes, but at least in this version so far it's not as vile as what Eric does in the original. I do wish the "admiring" Lisa while she's asleep stuff wasn't added though, but nothing I can do about it.
 

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Max definitely pushes it a bit sometimes, but at least in this version so far it's not as vile as what Eric does in the original. I do wish the "admiring" Lisa while she's asleep stuff wasn't added though, but nothing I can do about it.
Hmm, thinking about the Lisa sleep stuff I honestly think it would be better if it was delayed. A better way to include it would have been for Max to buy her something that was more comfortable to sleep in (but was slightly oversized) that would slip on its own. Not sure if it would make Max less of a Creep but might be a better option.

Just a thought
 
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Hmm, thinking about the Lisa sleep stuff I honestly think it would be better if it was delayed. A better way to include it would have been for Max to buy her something that was more comfortable to sleep in (but was slightly oversized) that would slip on its own. Not sure if it would make Max less of a Creep but might be a better option.

Just a thought
Buying something would still be a bit creepy for sure (the intentionally buying something that would slip off part), but at least it would be more along the lines of when Lisa starts checking out Max's morning wood.
She's not pulling his shorts off to do it, it's just "there."

I'd prefer that he just doesn't do the undressing part until she's OK with it and plays along, though I'd guess by that point she'd be sleeping topless or naked anyway. I've never liked seeing the MC messing around with sleeping characters in these games.

I do wish Lisa wasn't written to be *quite* as sheltered and clueless as she is, it makes it feel like Max is grooming her sometimes.

Max is strange, he'll tell her there are "two suns" in his life while laying out with her by the pool but then also undress her while she's asleep and make her feel bad for getting mad about it.

I definitely prefer the first one.

Even with all that said, Eric is usually a much MUCH worse character as far as abusive behavior goes.
 

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Well, I'll insert my 5 cents about this discussion.



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Anyway, it upsets me when people come here in comments, and ask for content with Eric, when in another remake his shaft!

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There are millions of thoughts in my head, but I tried to briefly and without emotion present the main points to your attention.
 

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Sigh, I guess it's time to post a VERY long message about the history of EVIL Scum Eric and why he is such a problem. If you want to skip the LONG explanation, then it boils down to Eric was a BAD character that was POORLY implemented and changed the original game completely. Many people HATE the character and want him gone (he isn't really needed) as there are other ways to create challenges for players that would be better. Aleksey90 has done (in my opinion) a MUCH better job with this than others I have seen.
Dude, It seems that my point is not understood, that a character is hated is not a bad thing, it is actually a very good thing for the development of a novel or game, because it makes you want to defeat him or whoever wants can join him, people may hate it and others may love it, but the important thing is that it generates a reaction and makes the novel or game have objectives for the player.
Dangers, threats, situations you hate, violence, all of that triggers emotions and it is necessary for the plot.


For example The Game Of Thrones
- Cercei
- Joffrey
- Ramsey
- Walder Frey
- Euron Greyjoy
- Gregor Clegane
- High Sparrow
- Stannis
- Alliser Thorne
- Viserys
- Baelish
- Meryn Trant

and more...

all hated and some supported and all helped to make a better story, so that at some point the reader or viewer would have the satisfaction of seeing them fall.
 

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You are talking here about well written characters - which Eric is not - in a story that is designed to have space for such characters. But most of the BIBO story has nothing to do with Eric. He was a wish from some players and forced into the story and the result was ... bad.

And I really would not go so far as to compare BIBOAS to game of thrones. You mentioned other adult oriented games with good antagonists. Have any examples for these? That would make more sense than mentioning a book or TV series.
 
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Shiva0067

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Dude, It seems that my point is not understood, that a character is hated is not a bad thing, it is actually a very good thing for the development of a novel or game, because it makes you want to defeat him or whoever wants can join him, people may hate it and others may love it, but the important thing is that it generates a reaction and makes the novel or game have objectives for the player.
Dangers, threats, situations you hate, violence, all of that triggers emotions and it is necessary for the plot.


For example The Game Of Thrones

and more...

all hated and some supported and all helped to make a better story, so that at some point the reader or viewer would have the satisfaction of seeing them fall.
Yes, HATED characters MIGHT help a story. I never watched Game of Thrones (I see the shock on all your faces), but I understand it was a good show (before the end). EVIL Scum Eric was NOT that kind of character. I'm NOT doing a massive wall of text this time but will just give two MAJOR PROBLEMS created by his appearance that made him not just hated but bad and NOT needed.

1) The game switched from Family Fun to Voyeur/forced to watch someone else with NO warning. The ORIGINAL description by the dev was something like 'the incest game of a lifetime' with NO mention of NTR or voyeur. There was (at the time) NO information in or out of the game that things were going to change. Had there been information whether in or out of the game about the change things might have been (slightly) less damaging.

2) There was NO struggle or competition until LONG after the Evil One's appearance. It took a massive drop in support for the dev to even begin allowing for players to have a (SMALL) chance to avoid/block some of the Eric Characters actions. Heck the BEST thing players and Mod makers could find to BLOCK most of the unwanted content was to follow a LIMITED path to a certain point (Where Eric could be removed) while NOT doing most of the content available. In the end we finally got several ways to REMOVE the character relatively quickly so we could continue. As many have said his part in the game became an annoyance NOT a struggle, and he became hated for the DAMAGE he caused the game, not his role in it.

Let me use a different example to the one you used 'Lord of the Rings'. Would the story have been as loved if, after the main characters were established and their goals shown, a new character (never mentioned before) appeared that changed EVERYTHING? Now the quest was NOT to stop the Dark Lord and save the world. Instead, the new character took the ring, and the story became how this person uses it to conquer the world and create an EVIL empire, all with BAD (or NO) character development and poorly written situations that don't make sense.

Would that be an example of a GOOD character that is hated and situations that evoke emotions in a good way for the story? Would this new version be used to show a good character being added, or instead be seen as a way to DESTROY a story? Yes, a VERY good writer MIGHT be able to create a decent story from that, but it is unlikely, and that did NOT happen here.

A hated character can be good in a story or game if properly developed and they serve a purpose in the game/story. A character who causes chaos and destroys the story/game is hated for the damage they did to something that started good and became BAD when they appeared.

I discovered the original game shortly after it started and ENDURED the situation from before the mess that Eric created until now. The BEST I can say about the EVIL Scum Eric character is that he was POORLY written, UNNECCESARY to the story, and caused a legacy of damage that persists until today.

ACK, I wanted to avoid another wall of text.. -SIGH-

Just some thoughts.

P.S. Just as a throwback for those that remember.. ALL games can be improved by adding Chocolate Chip Cookies!! :devilish:
 

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The name of the game is actually about the cameras :)
If someone at some point makes a Eric game, he has my blessing. I won't play it, since I don't want to play a character that reflects what his fans want from him (being abusive and brutal, also wanting to steal the house, in the original he even had a fake identity), but others might enjoy it. So ... why not.
dude u are a man a real one there is afew remain in this world I dont want say more cuse of roles
 

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People crying about Eric all the time are just so blinded by their own phobia they don't realize it's supposed to be a GAME, not some kind of kinetic crap and should come with some sort of challenge as an obstacle to make getting the girls even more rewarding.

If you just want some drab ass game where you chat up the girls and fuck them, that's boring as fuck and you may as well rip the images and delete the game.
 
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