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Kara Zor-El

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In regard to what i've said couple posts above about there being a possibility of Eric taking over the family in this game, I've checked his patreon and every public posted is getting nuked with people going "another shit ntr game" geez.. hopefully it won't discourage him at what he has originally planned
I do agree. They killed the original game like that.

Beside Eric; the boy from school called Alex can be rival too. Can be added as 4th path for the Schoolmate mission.
 

Shirafune

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I do agree. They killed the original game like that.

Beside Eric; the boy from school called Alex can be rival too. Can be added as 4th path for the Schoolmate mission.
I think I'm going to sub to Aleksey's patreon just to find out what it will be in the end since it doesn't seem we'll get the answer in here
 

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andydany

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Same with me.Idk how to give them to the girls.
i dont think it's possible yet,maybe in 0.03,same problem was asked and answered a few pages back,so..........please try to read before asking.Keep in mind that this is only 0.02 version,so the remake has just begun and many things must be added,many things must be tweaked,so we need some patience.I am familiar with Aleksey's work,he also did some mods for the original BB and i must say the renders were quite beautiful,so i trust that he will be able to deliver something good in time.And ,no, i am not one of his patreons.
 
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People must understand one thing.Asking to add more routes in the game,will inevitable lead to slowing the game a lot.Of course if you have 4 paths,and not just 2,it will take much more time to make some significant progress.But I continue to see same people asking for more routes in games and after just 3-4 months start to complain that the game is too slow,the dev is milking etc.
Games with more routes usualy are done in 4 ways.
1.An update for route A,then route B,route C etc. and repeat.It can be not in same order of course
2.Some small content for each route
3.Circling between number 1 and 2.
4.Let the patrons to vote which path or girls should be worked on.
The 4-th is the one that almost always lead to game been either abandoned or "finished" way earlier than the initial idea.
I have saw complains about the other 3 too.
Especially for first/you can wait even years for your girl to finally get some content/ and second/there is barely any progress/.
 

maxbishup

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Whats the point of getting rid of Eric? Im sure yall played original version of the game, so why would you want another copy of it with the same plot? I'd rather see the continuation of where the game was finished than waiting a year for Dev to get there. And dont tell me that he's gonna have some super different story, we all now that this game ends up fucking every girl in the house.
Because some of us do not want some dude in our home fucking our mom and sisters while we watch. Beating him to death
with a baseball bat however sounds like fun.
 

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Because some of us do not want some dude in our home fucking our mom and sisters while we watch. Beating him to death
with a baseball bat however sounds like fun.
You totally ignored his question - you are asking for a game that already exists...to exist? Go play BB your safe harem game, its here on this website. Alongside approximately a million other very high quality popular harem games.
 

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I've checked his patreon and every public posted is getting nuked with people going "another shit ntr game" geez.. hopefully it won't discourage him at what he has originally planned
It will. I mean if its about money and most people just want a safe space...then thats what will be provided. So funny tho, half the 'ntr' labeled games are like 'oh noes there is this one scene where my second cousins sisters Aunt mentions that she had sex with this one dude one time WAAAAH totally cucked now'
 

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People must understand one thing.Asking to add more routes in the game,will inevitable lead to slowing the game a lot.Of course if you have 4 paths,and not just 2,it will take much more time to make some significant progress.But I continue to see same people asking for more routes in games and after just 3-4 months start to complain that the game is too slow,the dev is milking etc.
Games with more routes usualy are done in 4 ways.
1.An update for route A,then route B,route C etc. and repeat.It can be not in same order of course
2.Some small content for each route
3.Circling between number 1 and 2.
4.Let the patrons to vote which path or girls should be worked on.
The 4-th is the one that almost always lead to game been either abandoned or "finished" way earlier than the initial idea.
I have saw complains about the other 3 too.
Especially for first/you can wait even years for your girl to finally get some content/ and second/there is barely any progress/.
Well I think part of it will be how difficult it is to port the game and the initial features to Ren'py in the first place. This does have the advantage that the original BB is IMO nearly complete with what honestly would have been about 3-4 updates of realistic material left in the first place. How well you want to do it is the other question, and I mentioned some of the issues design wise that also likely contributed to the Eric cuts more than just a marked distaste in a portion of the fanbase for NTR. Now routes or changes have to be designed with the ability for them to merge in seamlessly with a later route. During the design process this could be difficult especially if the end game scenarios aren't done, but DS also made things much more difficult than they needed to be.

One example is the Lisa/Olivia route. That route simply ended because it was difficult to merge into the sex-ed route and vice versa according to DS. I found that a bit odd as all of the NON Sex ed scenes (original Sex ed, not the abomination that wasthe Ann sex ed route) could easily take place after they were unlocked with the Olivia route, just with slightly different dialog. Or coming from the other angle, instead of a completely different and boring new olivia story on the girlfriend route with Lisa you could have started bringing in the scenes with Olivia and Alex, and just ignored the part with Lisa and Alex, not a lot to be lost there.

The funny thing is because of the layout of the game, the proposed Eric additions are probably going to be the easiest things to add. Alice doesn't need to change her story at ll if Eric fucked her before Max. The only one that would have to change would be Lisa, her sex ed with Eric could run concurrent with an Olvia storyline, and Eric's sex ed could replace the MC's attempts on the girlfriend route. The hooks are there for Max to peep on the lessons, and the only reason DS didn't do it was to avoid another uprising. Whoever pops her cherry, well with a couple of dialog changes, are all that would be required. You could still reuse all of the Lisa/Max images later, maybe with 1-2 different ones, and just change the dialog. Hell if you wanted to go real lazy just add one or two lines that she pretends she is a virgin, when she isn't.

What all of this does take is planning, and that is something I think it was clear was more than a bit lacking in the original BB release. THe problems in that game were manifold, and I'm sure my rants in the original BB thread are still there, and worthwhile. The key is not making every route completely different, but figuring out how assets can be reused between them. A peace with Eric route would be mainly differences in Dialog for Max, but maybe he can get some on his own, or maybe have 1-2 sharing scenes.

What I think is harder to fix is some of the bad design decisions that happened as the game got more linear. Alice's sudden rise to dom status from sub came out of nowhere. The Ann sex ed quest had great renders but was nothing more than ANOTHER attempt to delay vag with Lisa. Olivia 2.0 was hot garbage and so on.

I do agree with you on how difficult it is to choose how to do updates on an open-world game. Polls are generally flawed because it keeps the focus on very spefiic characters, and fans of that character tend to be more likely to become patrons then, while fans of the ignored characters tend to fall off. This makes each subsequent poll skew in favor of whoever won the last poll. Look at MILFY for an example of that.
 
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maxbishup

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You totally ignored his question - you are asking for a game that already exists...to exist? Go play BB your safe harem game, its here on this website. Alongside approximately a million other very high quality popular harem games.
You forget that BB is incomplete and abandoned the object here is to complete that game in Ren'Py.
 

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Well I think part of it will be how difficult it is to port the game and the initial features to Ren'py in the first place. This does have the advantage that the original BB is IMO nearly complete with what honestly would have been about 3-4 updates of realistic material left in the first place. How well you want to do it is the other question, and I mentioned some of the issues design wise that also likely contributed to the Eric cuts more than just a marked distaste in a portion of the fanbase for NTR. Now routes or changes have to be designed with the ability for them to merge in seamlessly with a later route. During the design process this could be difficult especially if the end game scenarios aren't done, but DS also made things much more difficult than they needed to be.

One example is the Lisa/Olivia route. That route simply ended because it was difficult to merge into the sex-ed route and vice versa according to DS. I found that a bit odd as all of the NON Sex ed scenes (original Sex ed, not the abomination that wasthe Ann sex ed route) could easily take place after they were unlocked with the Olivia route, just with slightly different dialog. Or coming from the other angle, instead of a completely different and boring new olivia story on the girlfriend route with Lisa you could have started bringing in the scenes with Olivia and Alex, and just ignored the part with Lisa and Alex, not a lot to be lost there.

The funny thing is because of the layout of the game, the proposed Eric additions are probably going to be the easiest things to add. Alice doesn't need to change her story at ll if Eric fucked her before Max. The only one that would have to change would be Lisa, her sex ed with Eric could run concurrent with an Olvia storyline, and Eric's sex ed could replace the MC's attempts on the girlfriend route. The hooks are there for Max to peep on the lessons, and the only reason DS didn't do it was to avoid another uprising. Whoever pops her cherry, well with a couple of dialog changes, are all that would be required. You could still reuse all of the Lisa/Max images later, maybe with 1-2 different ones, and just change the dialog. Hell if you wanted to go real lazy just add one or two lines that she pretends she is a virgin, when she isn't.

What all of this does take is planning, and that is something I think it was clear was more than a bit lacking in the original BB release. THe problems in that game were manifold, and I'm sure my rants in the original BB thread are still there, and worthwhile. The key is not making every route completely different, but figuring out how assets can be reused between them. A peace with Eric route would be mainly differences in Dialog for Max, but maybe he can get some on his own, or maybe have 1-2 sharing scenes.

What I think is harder to fix is some of the bad design decisions that happened as the game got more linear. Alice's sudden rise to dom status from sub came out of nowhere. The Ann sex ed quest had great renders but was nothing more than ANOTHER attempt to delay vag with Lisa. Olivia 2.0 was hot garbage and so on.

I do agree with you on how difficult it is to choose how to do updates on an open-world game. Polls are generally flawed because it keeps the focus on very spefiic characters, and fans of that character tend to be more likely to become patrons then, while fans of the ignored characters tend to fall off. This makes each subsequent poll skew in favor of whoever won the last poll. Look at MILFY for an example of that.
About having to merge things the ironic thing is that he could just have separated it and don't merge it, I mean, we don't need to see all the game content in one walkthrough, overall if you do the sex ed with Lisa she could just lose interest in Alex and leave it at that, no need to meet them, on the other hand if we interact with Olivia/Alex it doesn't make sense that Lisa still needs the sex ed.

In both of them Lisa would end up with enough sex knowledge, the only difference is the how and if it has an effect how she got it. Overall an important difference is if you met Olivia or not thanks to that option.
 

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About having to merge things the ironic thing is that he could just have separated it and don't merge it, I mean, we don't need to see all the game content in one walkthrough, overall if you do the sex ed with Lisa she could just lose interest in Alex and leave it at that, no need to meet them, on the other hand if we interact with Olivia/Alex it doesn't make sense that Lisa still needs the sex ed.

In both of them Lisa would end up with enough sex knowledge, the only difference is the how and if it has an effect how she got it. Overall an important difference is if you met Olivia or not thanks to that option.
Pretty much. That what I meant, after Lisa is sucking off the MC with Olivia then she should be open to doing it in the house, the "solo" scenes from the sex ed route would unlock, but not the Kira scenes. I'd much prefer that route honestly as the Lisa/Olivia route was one of the only ones where Max was an ACTIVE participant.
 

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Pretty much. That what I meant, after Lisa is sucking off the MC with Olivia then she should be open to doing it in the house, the "solo" scenes from the sex ed route would unlock, but not the Kira scenes. I'd much prefer that route honestly as the Lisa/Olivia route was one of the only ones where Max was an ACTIVE participant.
Yeah, the only difference in itself is that while on the Olivia route we would have to deal with Alex in some way, the thing is that the route seems like an "all in", you risk to lose Lisa to Alex just to try to seduce Olivia, I personally would find that interesting to tell you the truth.

Overall the sex ed route seems pretty safe and without risk except if it backfires while having Eric in the house. This game concept I loved it because it seems so risk/reward while having to fight off other characters to earn your harem, I was always a fan of earning it rather than just following a storyline.
 

maxbishup

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In regard to what i've said couple posts above about there being a possibility of Eric taking over the family in this game, I've checked his patreon and every public posted is getting nuked with people going "another shit ntr game" geez.. hopefully it won't discourage him at what he has originally planned
I'm not sure that I can answer you but I'm a patreon and I ask in a PM if we will be able to get rid of Eric and the answer was
yes. BUT you may be able to keep him in the game I do not know.
 

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Another idea for the game would be to be able to visit or spy on anne at work or at erics place plus your sisters at school and the club that would set this game apart from all the other BigBrother clones out there
 
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