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Nemo56

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I can't finish the stick or carrot-opportunity. I should be able to watch horror movies with Lisa being topless but whenever I save her from punishment I'm unable to watch movies with her at all. The hint says we have to make it before she goes to bed but that's when she's doing her homework. How can I change that?
Is she already watching movies topless with Max and Olivia on Friday evenings? That's also necessary. She has to get comfortable being topless around Max.

As usual: Don't focus on one opportunity. They are interconnected, progress with a girl happens at the same time in alle her opportunities. These are not separated storylines. Also make sure they stay happy all the time, interact with them, be nice.
 

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I might take a look. yesterday evening I started "Syberia - The world before" however. When I'm not playing porn games, I play on of my 1600 GOG games :D. My pile of shame is higher than the Everest.
... and I just remembered I still need to finish the second season of Being a DIK. The first one was great, "Hell week" was just hillarious.

Bonetown ( ) got a remake, btw. I still need to look into that. Party on!

I also rediscovered one of my early games: Fascination
This is the character you play, it all starts with a shower scene :)
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I'm glad that Aleksey at least tries to bring in some adventure elements like item handling into this game, but of course Ren'Py is not the best engine when it comes to task oriented game play (there are specialized adventure engines for that) so I don't expect miracles.
I'll take a look at it, have some other filler games to finish off myself. Deleted a few to save space already
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Is she already watching movies topless with Max and Olivia on Friday evenings? That's also necessary. She has to get comfortable being topless around Max.

As usual: Don't focus on one opportunity. They are interconnected, progress with a girl happens at the same time in alle her opportunities. These are not separated storylines. Also make sure they stay happy all the time, interact with them, be nice.
She already did 3 times. And the only other unfinished opportunity is mentor which requires progress in stick or carrot.
 

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She already did 3 times. And the only other unfinished opportunity is mentor which requires progress in stick or carrot.
Try to post your savegame, maybe there's something wrong with it.
I just followed the hints, got Max caught, so he could watch movies with her.
 
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This makes the game more realistic, in real life even if you have a high influence on someone that does not mean they can't say no.
It might be realistic, but reality sucks major balls.

That's what makes this game special compared to others and makes sure the story flow is constant.
In the original the single strains were almost completely separated, that was absolute bollocks.
I only know one other game that is bold enough to do this, that's Photohunt.
I honestly don't get what you mean with story flow. Could you elaborate?

Every script kiddie can do single separated storylines. It becomes more complicated if the progress is event based with multiple dependencies.
Why so? I haven't programmed in Ren'py, but shouldn't it just take an if statement checking if multiple variables were true?

The game would gain nothing from an allowance or instant delivery. ... it's just a problem for those who want everything at once and then complain that the game has no content.
That part isn't about the game gaining something it needs, it's about it losing some bloat it doesn't need.

Also we must disagree in the meaning of 'content'. I don't consider pressing the wait button thrice to see the same screen again be content, to me it's more like an unneeded loading screen between two areas that you must traverse very often. It makes the game take more time, but doesn't actually make it longer
 

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I honestly don't get what you mean with story flow. Could you elaborate?
What I meant was that someone could hate Max' guts on one path and the same character could have sex with him on another. That does not make sense at all. Lisa would be naked in bed or do anal lessons and be shy when it comes to other situations. That's what you get if you see all opportunities as separated storylines.
To make them interconnected to each other grants a more constant development. Lisa will only be topless while watching movies, if she got more comfortable being around Max in the presence of Olivia. She hearead from Alice that Max is good at giving massages and allows him to try. Alice accidently had her hand on Max' dick when she hid behind him from a spider, sees him a couple of times with something poking out of his pants, so she doesn't completely freak out when her feet touch his dick during the massage.

Why so? I haven't programmed in Ren'py, but shouldn't it just take an if statement checking if multiple variables were true?
Dead ends, the horror of every adventure style game programmer (even more so for the player). Dependencies require more planing and/or workarounds.
If you just put one image after another or only need to wait for the right moment to click something ... that's basics, everyone can do that. About Ren'Py in general ... it's a script engine, and as such very vulnerable to typing errors. I stay the hell away from such languages, I prefer to find my errors before my software gests shipped to the customer (who payed good money for it and hopefully earns a lot more by using it).

That part isn't about the game gaining something it needs, it's about it losing some bloat it doesn't need.
Again ... you don't gain anything. Quite early after the start, money won't be much of a problem. At the beginning it is supposed to be a problem, part of the story even. That's why Max decides to get a loan. From that story telling point of view the game would even lose something, if Max got more money so early in the game.

Did you ever play Monkey Island 2? You should. It's a masterpiece of adventure design. The developers made sure that for every major riddle you had to visit all 4 islands more than once. You could not just focus on finding one piece of the map, that was impossible. You had to look for events and items on each island, talk to characters, find out what to do next. Sometimes you got an item that you had to use for a riddle that was not connected at all to the situation where you got the item.


I would love to see more adult adventures, but for some reason everyone thinks that adult games have to be RPGs with money, stats, influence, relationship, corruption or whatever other bollocks they can come up with.
The other half of the developers makes visual novels where all you need to do is clicking.
Hardly anyone goes the adventure route. One of the few games that do so is House Party. There are stats in the game, but they have no meaning, basically only tell you how far you are in the story (ok, you can fuck up with a girl so she won't talk to you anymore which ends her story). Also FILF and MotH mostly have only informal stats (Moth was rewritten at some point) except for the money.

There are a few purely event base games, BBAS isn't one of them. The sooner one can accept that, the more he can enjoy it.
About that last content statement: What you described is exactly what we would get if we strp away the part of the game where you have to figure out what to do next. That's part of the game, that little adventure element that this game has. If you don't want that, you better 'play' visual novels.
 
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abwdaw

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any hint : stick or carrot
"I wonder if Lisa would agree to watch horror movies without her shirt on! She and I have become pretty close, but I don't know how to talk her into it. But it's better to do it on the same day Mom wants to punish her."
"There's not much time. We have to make it before Lisa goes to bed..."

i not see any new options
I had a similar situation going on, where I was stuck with this.

Aside from the topless on friday evenings and the protect from punishment and generel mood and all that. You need to spy on her in the shower in the morning, and get caught, to trigger the "watching movie" part again.
 
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Hi, in the path of true friendship... Max will Ann with Eric to fuck her with stockings or until this version is not going to happen?
 

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I don't know if the dev reads these but I'm a bit bitter about how everything is hunky dory after you get rid of Eric. Not even an apology from the girls about immediately turning on Max and not believing him at all over Eric, I had Lisa and Alice at 100% Influence with Max and they immediately turned on him. Also they belittle him a lot so the least they could do was apologize, especially fucking Alice she kept that same fucking attitude or maybe have Max be a bit angry or vengeful about it and takes it out in some way.

Basically I would have liked to see some apologetic dialogue from the girls or at least acknowledgement of their betrayal. It just kind of leaves me bitter towards the girls and makes me want to get back at them which I probably won't be able to do.

Except of course Auntie. Auntie Kira is our Ride or Die Bitch, she knew we didn't do it, Auntie Kira Best Girl. Shoutout to Auntie Kira for being the only one who believed/believes in us. Max gets more motherly warmth from her than from Ann.
 
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Nemo56

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[...] You need to spy on her in the shower in the morning, and get caught, to trigger the "watching movie" part again.
I wonder why people keep missing that. That's what the whole event is based on after all. Lisa "forces" Max to watch boring stuff with her for spying on her.
 

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I don't know if the dev reads these but I'm a bit bitter about how everything is hunky dory after you get rid of Eric. Not even an apology from the girls about immediately turning on Max and not believing him at all over Eric, I had Lisa and Alice at 100% Influence with Max and they immediately turned on him. Also they belittle him a lot so the least they could do was apologize, especially fucking Alice she kept that same fucking attitude or maybe have Max be a bit angry or vengeful about it and takes it out in some way.

Basically I would have liked to see some apologetic dialogue from the girls or at least acknowledgement of their betrayal. It just kind of leaves me bitter towards the girls and makes me want to get back at them which I probably won't be able to do.

Except of course Auntie. Auntie Kira is our Ride or Die Bitch, she knew we didn't do it, Auntie Kira Best Girl. Shoutout to Auntie Kira for being the only one who believed/believes in us. Max gets more motherly warmth from her than from Ann.
That's actually a good suggestion/addition. It would not be connected to any opportunity, just a talk at dinner or something like that.
But then many kids would complain that they should at least blow him to make up for it or Max should get to spank naked all of them at the same time :) or better team up with Kira in order to do so.

However, the situation was not ignored. There's Ann you can have a talk with two times when she talkes about Eric and pretty much does what you asked for with hugs and all. This will lead to progress in the Yoga opportunity in a future update.
Lisa resumed kissing lessons, I do believe that there was a word about Eric, but I am not sure about that - I might mix something up. Also the situation came up when it comes to Olivia. Lisa was worried that after Eric, Ann would not want Olivia at the house being naked.
Alice got no new conten since that situation, so maybe there will be something in the next update.

And about motherly warmth ... Ann spends way too much time whining about what a bad mother she is rather than trying to be a good mother, that's true.


btw ... I hoped Ann would not be quite as dumb in this game. But the first encounter when she saw Olivia naked: "Oh! Lisa, why didn't you give her at least your old swimsuit?" THAT was what came to her mind? Really? That she is naked because she had no swimsuit? Most people in that case would wear underwear. And of course it was way too easy for max to convince her.
 
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That's actually a good suggestion/addition. It would not be connected to any opportunity, just a talk at dinner or something like that.
But then many kids would complain that they should at least blow him to make up for it or Max should get to spank naked all of them at the same time :) or better team up with Kira in order to do so.

However, the situation was not ignored. There's Ann you can have a talk with two times when she talkes about Eric and pretty much does what you asked for with hugs and all. This will lead to progress in the Yoga opportunity in a future update.
Lisa resumed kissing lessons, I do believe that there was a word about Eric, but I am not sure about that - I might mix something up. Also the situation came up when it comes to Olivia. Lisa was worried that after Eric, Ann would not want Olivia at the house being naked.
Alice got no new conten since that situation, so maybe there will be something in the next update.

And about motherly warmth ... Ann spends way too much time whining about what a bad mother she is rather than trying to be a good mother, that's true.


btw ... I hoped Ann would not be quite as dumb in this game. But the first encounter when she saw Olivia naked: "Oh! Lisa, why didn't you give her at least your old swimsuit?" THAT was what came to her mind? Really? That she is naked because she had no swimsuit? Most people in that case would wear underwear. And of course it was way too easy for max to convince her.
Trust me that point has not been missed, but after bearing the Eric saga for so long a lot of people are just glad it's over. Unfortunately there are a few people (definitely not the majority) that still fail to realize that this VN is about Max and has always been about Max (in all major versions of it at least). A short retribution arch would have been nice only if Max gets over it eventually because at the beginning of the story everything he did only started with the need to protect his family from Eric. Not to be an Asshole himself. For me personally I really wish Aleksey would just finish tying off the Eric saga so he could focus more on the rest of the game but he's the dev and I'm just along for the ride.
 
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Trust me that point has not been missed, but after baring the Eric saga for so long a lot of people are just glad it's over. Unfortunately there are a few people (definitely not the majority) that still fail to realize that this VN is about Max and has always been about Max (in all major versions of it at least). A short retribution arch would have been nice only if Max gets over it eventually because at the beginning of the story everything he only started with all of this to protect his family from Eric. Not to be an Asshole himself. For me personally I really wish Aleksey would just finish tying off the Eric saga so he could focus more on the rest of the game but he's the dev and I'm just along for the ride.
Sorry Nemo56 that was actually for the_fluff
 

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That's actually a good suggestion/addition. It would not be connected to any opportunity, just a talk at dinner or something like that.
But then many kids would complain that they should at least blow him to make up for it or Max should get to spank naked all of them at the same time :) or better team up with Kira in order to do so.

However, the situation was not ignored. There's Ann you can have a talk with two times when she talkes about Eric and pretty much does what you asked for with hugs and all. This will lead to progress in the Yoga opportunity in a future update.
Lisa resumed kissing lessons, I do believe that there was a word about Eric, but I am not sure about that - I might mix something up. Also the situation came up when it comes to Olivia. Lisa was worried that after Eric, Ann would not want Olivia at the house being naked.
Alice got no new conten since that situation, so maybe there will be something in the next update.

And about motherly warmth ... Ann spends way too much time whining about what a bad mother she is rather than trying to be a good mother, that's true.


btw ... I hoped Ann would not be quite as dumb in this game. But the first encounter when she saw Olivia naked: "Oh! Lisa, why didn't you give her at least your old swimsuit?" THAT was what came to her mind? Really? That she is naked because she had no swimsuit? Most people in that case would wear underwear. And of course it was way too easy for max to convince her.
By hunky dory I don't mean stuff being addressed about Eric, I mean addressing of the treatment of Max because they turned on him so quickly and Alice and Ann were being bitches to him to be real. Alice takes top bitchyness but Ann comes in second especially when Eric was there. I just want some apologetic dialogue from the girls about the immediate betrayal and treatment. There is the dialogue with Ann at the balcony but it's more about her self-loathing and talking about the girls than Max but it's still something I guess, it just felt kind of lackluster.

I would've just liked Max to get a clear apology and thank you for what he did it would have been nice to read but he doesn't maybe even just Max being a little miffed about the attitude change and showing it, he's not even a little mad. I don't mean for Max to be like "Man fuck these bitches. They betrayed and turned on me so easily I'll show them their place." but more of a " I think I deserve an apology and a thank you from you girls, some remorse about how you treated me. I think that's fair."

And yeah...Ann is kind of really fucking dumb forreal. Alice and Max must take more after their father because I see where Lisa gets her "Smarts" from and even then it sometimes peeks through for Max and Alice too. My question is how Lisa and Ann haven't already been taking advantage of, especially with Ann's backstory. I have two ideas, either they haven't come across anyone who would by sheer luck or even before Eric came in Max has been running interference for the longest time trying to stop people from taking advantage of his family.
 

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:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: For real, unfortunately I 100% agree with that deduction.
But then Kira is not the same as Ann even though she did let Eric have sex her rather than facing the brunt of it.......... :unsure:You know what Max and Alice are their father's kids on second thought.
 

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But then Kira is not the same as Ann even though she did let Eric have sex her rather than facing the brunt of it.......... :unsure:You know what Max and Alice are their father's kids on second thought.
I gotta ask, that first part of your comment is a bit confusing what do you mean?
 
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