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Shiva0067

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You are ALL looking at the (EVIL Scum) Eric situation in the wrong way. In MY mind we have Max who loves and Supports Glorious WONDERFUL AWESOME Chocolate Chip Cookies. Then there is the EVIL NASTY Disgusting Oatmeal Raisin Cookies lover (EVIL Scum) Eric. The Choice is SIMPLE, Tiny Tina says Chocolate Chip Cookies GOOD so Max stays, Oatmeal Raisin Cookies Evil so (Evil Scum) Eric MUST go. See, simple. :)

Just a thought.
 

storm1051787

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Sounds like a pretty typical MC in a Harem game. Oh wait. We forgot to add sleep molestation and maybe a dash of magical mind control.
But we arent really talking about those mcs. There are a lot of horrible mcs on this site and I agree that I really hate the sleep molestations and mind control stuff that some devs insist on putting in their games. I ignore sleep molestation every time I am given the option, but that doesnt mean eric doing it is fine. I also think that's kind of a broad description anyway. I've seen plenty of Harem games that dont have any sleep molestation or mind control.



Eric has a ton of red flags. Masturbating to your girlfriend's daughter alone is pretty bad. Even if Eric was actually a nice guy to Max and the rest of the family with no alternate motive, just Ann's boyfriend, the masturbation thing would be bad enough to kick him out in my opinion. That's just creepy. Not to mention Erics age, this is a grown man, not some teenager barely out high school or some guy whose barely in his 20s. Eric is a bad guy regardless of how max or anyone else behaves.
 

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both Eric and Max surely qualify as creepy jerks. They are both though in a different position of power, Eric is an adult, has muscles and money, and is dating Max' mother, so has - borrowed - authority over Max. The appeal of the game for me, is that you play the underdog, and somehow win the girls, nonetheless, albeit with not so morale behavior.
 

troll822

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I'll argue the case of mistreatment. Where as he's not doing it outright. He does:
1) Go behind his girlfriend's back to have sexual relations with her daughters (most women tend to frown on that)
2) Manipulate Lisa into sexual acts using her naivety against her (victims in this group are another debate)
3) He ridicules Alice shows to get more influence over what she does during them
4) He blackmails Kira into blows jobs if he catches Max and Kira in the tub (only because the smell of sex would make Ann suspicious, guessing that would hurt her if she found out)
5) Mastubates to Ann's naked daughter in her room (what Ann does not know can't hurt her, right? unless she finds out then we would know if it would....... :unsure:)
6) Frames Ann's son for theft to get him kicked out of the house (Parents generally don't like that)
7) After the breakup his true colors are revealed so now he's harassing her at work and threatened her that should she quit he'd make sure she'd never find a good job in the area again.

Did I miss anything? If you can sweep all those things under the rug I guess you can say he never mistreated anyone.

Sigh...
Sure, that is mistreatment in the modern world, not in the porn games I play. :)
Does that make it clearer?

Also, not sure why you all jump on me. I didn't say Eric is a nice guy. I said he is not worse than the typical harem game MC. There are many many games where the protagonist acts like Eric, or worse.


But we arent really talking about those mcs.
Personally... I was! :(

Eric has a ton of red flags. Masturbating to your girlfriend's daughter alone is pretty bad. Even if Eric was actually a nice guy to Max and the rest of the family with no alternate motive, just Ann's boyfriend, the masturbation thing would be bad enough to kick him out in my opinion. That's just creepy. Not to mention Erics age, this is a grown man, not some teenager barely out high school or some guy whose barely in his 20s. Eric is a bad guy regardless of how max or anyone else behaves.
Realistically, that alone is more than a red flag and creepy and certainly reason enough to kick him on the streets. Keyword: Realistically.
Not in a porn game.
But realistically, a guy out of highschool that creeps on the sister of his girlfriend or mother etc also deserves to be kicked out. Keyword: Realistically.

Also, realistically, a man can't 'perform' several times per day as we do in these games, doesn't drive women insane with his dick the first time he has sex and all that. Keyword: Realistically.

And again realistically, people going after their mother, aunt and sisters are more that a bit problematic. Keyword: Realistically.
 

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Also, not sure why you all jump on me. I didn't say Eric is a nice guy. I said he is not worse than the typical harem game MC. There are many many games where the protagonist acts like Eric, or worse.
Honestly your take is so out there I was debating on whether or not to even engage with it. I respect your opinion and there is nothing wrong with enjoying the game or one of its characters. My problem with Eric has always been with how poor of a character he actually is. I don't wnt to go on too long with this but he is a good looking guy, with his own business or at least a high paid position. He has money and looks. Dude could be fucking a different 20 year old every night and partying his ass off. Why would he waste his time playing house with Ann? Why the interest in her daughters?

He is antagonistic every step of the way when the smart and easy move would be to befriend and slowly push asideMax. He is an adult with supposedly good manipulation skills yet he gets run around by Max all day. There is no a single hint of above average intelligence in Eric. It's like the dude got dealt a straight in the flop but still manages to royally fuck up his hand.

I agree with the statement that they are both in a similar level of scumbaggery. However the big difference is Max is family. I don't doubt for a second that Max loves his family and wants the best for them even if his behavior is fucked up. Eric just wants to use them.
 

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Sigh...
Sure, that is mistreatment in the modern world, not in the porn games I play. :)
Does that make it clearer?

Also, not sure why you all jump on me.
Ah, so you need to relativize in order to make a point.

Really, you shouldn't make a generic statement like "He doesn't mistreat anyone but Max" and then later take 5 steps back with something like "Of courde I meant compared to other games. We're talking about porn games here". That part should have been in the first post.

If you don't want answers ("jump on you"), you can always stop posting about it. That way there will be no target to jump on.
 
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troll822

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Honestly your take is so out there I was debating on whether or not to even engage with it. I respect your opinion and there is nothing wrong with enjoying the game or one of its characters. My problem with Eric has always been with how poor of a character he actually is.
I don't disagree that he's not particularly well written in the game, or that he wants to use the family for his purposes.
But honestly, half the cast at least in the original were as improbable and poorly written.

My biggest gripe with Max is that his model seems 14-15 but I have no big issues with the game. There was a game, I don't remember which, where during a chase someone more or less said "fuck this" and threw a grenade at Max spying on Ann changing in a store, and blew both of them up. I laughed my butt off at that.
 
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storm1051787

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Sigh...
Sure, that is mistreatment in the modern world, not in the porn games I play. :)
Does that make it clearer?

Also, not sure why you all jump on me. I didn't say Eric is a nice guy. I said he is not worse than the typical harem game MC. There are many many games where the protagonist acts like Eric, or worse.



Personally... I was! :(



Realistically, that alone is more than a red flag and creepy and certainly reason enough to kick him on the streets. Keyword: Realistically.
Not in a porn game.
But realistically, a guy out of highschool that creeps on the sister of his girlfriend or mother etc also deserves to be kicked out. Keyword: Realistically.

Also, realistically, a man can't 'perform' several times per day as we do in these games, doesn't drive women insane with his dick the first time he has sex and all that. Keyword: Realistically.

And again realistically, people going after their mother, aunt and sisters are more that a bit problematic. Keyword: Realistically.


I'm personally not a huge fan of Max either. But Max family and Eric pretty much a stranger who was invited into their house then prodeceds to harrass and black mail two different family members and make sexual advances at the rest. Those other mcs you mentioned I don't like either and not every harem mc is like that anyway. At least in the case of max, he may be a peeping Tom but aside from the hidden camera thing he doesnt really do much else that's out of line. And he only does the hidden camera thing because of Eric.



If you like those type of protagonists. Good for you, I cant stand them and I personally would never looked at the game if max didnt exist and Eric was the protagonist. And to be honest I cant really think of two many Harem games I've seen that do what you are describing anyway. Most of the ones that I've seen that do either has the stuff you are suggesting as optional and often penalize you for creeping anyway if you manage to get caught. I also don't think most mothers would kick their sons out for creeping unless he was way out of high school. A 20 year old would probably just get a severe scolding as most 20 years olds are not self sustainable yet.
 

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Also, not sure why you all jump on me. I didn't say Eric is a nice guy. I said he is not worse than the typical harem game MC. There are many many games where the protagonist acts like Eric, or worse
That's a fundamental flaw with me in conferring tone through written text. There was no malice, ill intent or bad faith meant by those words. I apologize if I came off a little too strong on the wording. My bad.
 

dwalsh

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As for MC's of that ilk..... Point 2 vaguely removed. I generally don't play them after I get the gist of where the character's character lies. There are a few exceptions I'll admit I still play with some of those qualities. I stopped playing Bang City and a few others because for me personally I really dislike unnecessary name calling especially when it's directed at people you call loved ones. So too much slut, bitch, whore, etc and I'm out that's just me. But I admittedly still play Midnight Paradise, Area69 and Photo Hunt whose MC's do share one or more of those traits. Currently run off a play through of Power Vacuum which to me is another version of BB storywise but the MC's moral compass is more intact.
 

storm1051787

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As for MC's of that ilk..... Point 2 vaguely removed. I generally don't play them after I get the gist of where the character's character lies. There are a few exceptions I'll admit I still play with some of those qualities. I stopped playing Bang City and a few others because for me personally I really dislike unnecessary name calling especially when it's directed at people you call loved ones. So too much slut, bitch, whore, etc and I'm out that's just me. But I admittedly still play Midnight Paradise, Area69 and Photo Hunt whose MC's do share one or more of those traits. Currently run off a play through of Power Vacuum which to me is another version of BB storywise but the MC's moral compass is more intact.
Power vacuum's mc even makes fun of those creepy mcs like the ones Troll mentioned.
 

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I'm personally not a huge fan of Max either.
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At least in the case of max, [...] he only does the hidden camera thing because of Eric.
Eh? He does that to make money.

If you like those type of protagonists.
Hmmm... I see what you mean. The blackmail thing Eric pools, or peeping on young girls is disturbing, more disturbing than the usual harem MC. I agree with that.


That's a fundamental flaw with me in conferring tone through written text. There was no malice, ill intent or bad faith meant by those words. I apologize if I came off a little too strong on the wording. My bad.
Not really buddy. I didn't mean my comment as "oh, no! Poor me, I am attacked from all sides!" I was just surprised at the reactions.
 

dwalsh

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Power vacuum's mc even makes fun of those creepy mcs like the ones Troll mentioned.
No kidding, seems nothing is off limits in his writing. He goes in on everything. The Eric sence was the first one I picked on then I started to notice references to other games.
 

dwalsh

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Eh? He does that to make money.



Hmmm... I see what you mean. The blackmail thing Eric pools, or peeping on young girls is disturbing, more disturbing than the usual harem MC. I agree with that.




Not really buddy. I didn't mean my comment as "oh, no! Poor me, I am attacked from all sides!" I was just surprised at the reactions.
No prob. Now,..... back to hating on Eric
 
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storm1051787

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Eh? He does that to make money.

He never had to make money before Eric showed up. What little bit of money he got he got from doing chores fan Ann and it was fine. It's not like you need that much when you are still supported by your parents. He only started the cams because Eric started trying to buy influence through all this gifts and Max needed a way to compete. If Eric never showed up he would have never used the cams. After Eric leaves you don't really need the cams that much at all
 
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dwalsh

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He never had to make money before Eric showed up. What little bit of money he got he got from doing chores fan Ann and it was fine. It's not like you need that much when you are still supported by your parents. He only started the cams because Eric started trying to buy influence through all this gifts and Max needed a way to compete. If Eric never showed up he would have never used the cams. After Eric leaves you don't really need the cams that much at all
Actually, logically he should get rid of the ones in the bedrooms and bathrooms for the absolute minimum because now their a liability. The others can at least be chalked up to security. But he'll temporarily need at least two for income for groceries.
 

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He never had to make money before Eric showed up. What little bit of money he got he got from doing chores fan Ann and it was fine. It's not like you need that much when you are still supported by your parents. He only started the cams because Eric started trying to buy influence through all this gifts and Max needed a way to compete. If Eric never showed up he would have never used the cams. After Eric leaves you don't really need the cams that much at all
Also, yes the web show idea starts when he needs to out buy Eric (swim suit and Party dress). He gets the idea initially from learning what Alice is doing
Unless things changed quite much since I played the game, that's not how it happened to me. We get the cameras in the first quest, before Eric is even mentioned at the table.
 

storm1051787

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Unless things changed quite much since I played the game, that's not how it happened to me. We get the cameras in the first quest, before Eric is even mentioned at the table.

Max never installs the first camera. He discovers a hidden camera in the living room . He guesses was put there during construction or just for security(keep in mind most people with kids dont have sex in their living room). He pretty much just ignores it after that until Eric shows up and starts buying gifts. The he creates the website to try and make some money using the cameras and then buys the other cameras after making a little more.
 

troll822

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Max never installs the first camera. He discovers a hidden camera in the living room . He guesses was put there during construction or just for security(keep in mind most people with kids dont have sex in their living room). He pretty much just ignores it after that until Eric shows up and starts buying gifts. The he creates the website to try and make some money using the cameras and then buys the other cameras after making a little more.
I will start the game again, because that's not how I remember it.
 
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