Ren'Py Big Brother: Another Story Rebuild [v0.07.01] [Aleksey90]

[L0thar]

-Me being Silly-
Well based on the old Fan pics that armion82 posted it seems that we will NOT get any romance/passion/love between Max and the ladies. No, we are DOOMED to a HORRIBLE copy of the original BB. No, I'm wrong, it's OVIOUS that we will only have (Evil Scum) Eric content.
-End of Silly-

Thank you for posting those images. They remind me of why I was excited for this Remake/Reimagine/Reboot. Aleksey90 is VERY talented and I think with the changes we've seen so far this will be a GOOD game. Yes, the story (and dialogs) started as copies, but I have noticed places where they were different (and I think some were altered/replaced) with the updates. I may be mistaken as I haven't played the original for some time, but I'm hopeful.

For myself I want Eric Gone (fed to a woodchipper), but for those who like him I hope that you get the same quality as we see in the 'Max gets love' images. Yes, I think you are crazy/evil/scummy/weird people (I'm JOKING) to like (EVIL SCUM) Eric, but I hope you get good quality as well. (OK, maybe I think you are a little weird, but I do weird things like beg for a Moose (and maybe a Squirrel) to be added to Timestamps, so I will NOT judge).

Just a thought.

fed to a woodchipper ?

Oh man you are so brute

Give me five mate

 

[maxbishup]

how can i give the dress to alice and swimsuit to lisa? im holding the itens in my invetory for a week and can not give the presents before eric :S

Did you money cheat, and then not take the loan from bank. Are you playing bugfix 0.03.5.005

 

[maxbishup]

How to get rid of Erics in your home.(Warning in a one on one fight Eric would kill poor Max)

Step 1. Strike Eric in the back of head with tire iron or baseball bat.
Step 2. Proceed to brake every bone in his body.
Step 3. Place body in woodchipper.(Hose down chipper)
Step 4. Take well deserved break in pool.
Step 5. Eric!! what Eric.

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[SuddenReal]

It is but not as bad as the original was.

I would say that the content the is here that is the same as the original BB has about 95-99% word for word but you must also remember there is new content in this version like buying the girls candy and clothes without having to go shopping with them.

There is new content in the spider quest on the 2nd part.
You can give Ann/mom a nightie.
You get to see Lisa complete breast instead of them being mostly hidden.
And there is more, it is still a very early build of this remake but it has great promise.

Yeah, that's good and all, but, see, the thing is... the reason why I stopped liking BB is that the story turned crap, focussing on only one story line (and what a crap storyline that was) instead of the branching sandbox that was promised in the beginning (and what made it even worse, if you were in the Olivia path, you had to restart to see the new content because it was completely abandonned), as well as the repetitive scenes that were unavoidable with choices that lead to the same thing (the breakfast and dinner scene which is also in the remake, for starters), which, in case they were "progression" scenes, got replaced by other scenes (Alice's punishment for instance, once you got to the whole webcam stuff, you couldn't punish her anymore), instead of keeping them in and expanding on them.

So, if this remake will be the exact same thing as the original, no amount of extra little content or better angles will be enough to make me like this (and I want to). I know Aleksey said it will be a different story, just based on the original, but I say talk is cheap and so far I haven't seen anything new concerning the story yet (buying the girls candy isn't adding to the story, it's just introducing a new game mechanic). So yeah, I'm keeping my eye on it, but I'm not commiting to anything yet.

 

[a1fox3]

Yeah, that's good and all, but, see, the thing is... the reason why I stopped liking BB is that the story turned crap, focussing on only one story line (and what a crap storyline that was) instead of the branching sandbox that was promised in the beginning (and what made it even worse, if you were in the Olivia path, you had to restart to see the new content because it was completely abandonned), as well as the repetitive scenes that were unavoidable with choices that lead to the same thing (the breakfast and dinner scene which is also in the remake, for starters), which, in case they were "progression" scenes, got replaced by other scenes (Alice's punishment for instance, once you got to the whole webcam stuff, you couldn't punish her anymore), instead of keeping them in and expanding on them.

So, if this remake will be the exact same thing as the original, no amount of extra little content or better angles will be enough to make me like this (and I want to). I know Aleksey said it will be a different story, just based on the original, but I say talk is cheap and so far I haven't seen anything new concerning the story yet (buying the girls candy isn't adding to the story, it's just introducing a new game mechanic). So yeah, I'm keeping my eye on it, but I'm not commiting to anything yet.

As for the story part its only the first 2 weeks of game play. (Even though you can play for many weeks the story part is only the first 2 weeks.)
The 3rd week should be the 2nd convo with eric and then the 4th week should be when Kira show up for the story.

 

[Mayonesa]

Ok guys, I ask Aleksey about any Eric/Alice Eric/Lisa and when we will be able to get rid of Eric. As I had predicted, no word about when, but this was his response.

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I certainly can not do the development of Eric in the direction of Alice and Lisa (and I would not do it with joy), but this will mean that the player and Max, with any of his actions, will have nothing to lose and nothing to worry about, which is not right. Max's actions or omissions must have consequences, so Eric's development towards Alice and Lisa, as well as towards Ann and Kira, will be whatever you allow him to be.

So again, the dev is doing things that he doesn't like, doing Eric content because he can't find a consequence for Max failing that doesn't involve the girls becoming cum dumps or dumbs sluts for the first cock they see, like in most NTR scenarios...

"Eric's development towards...Ann...will be whatever you allow him to be", that's a false statement, since no matter what you do you can't avoid Eric becoming Ann boyfriend. So well don't know why I'm surprised anymore.

 

[Mayonesa]

I just love how everyone thinks that the NTR applies to Mom when if you were to look up what NTR is you would understand that Eric would have to be taking Mom away from Max in the first place in order for the NTR to apply in that situation and since that is not what Eric is doing it doesn't apply.

If you look right to NTR, it doesn't have to be with a girl the MC has a romantic relationship with being taken for it to be NTR. If it was only applied to MC's wife/girlfriend, then the multiple NTR stories about how the childhood friend got seduced by the ugly manager while the MC doesn't do shit, won't be NTR at all, since according to you "she should be his to beging with".

NTR has to make the players/readers feel jealously among other things, it can be from someone taking a close friend of the MC, somoene he has some kind of conection with or even a family member, but in the most normal cases, it is NTR when someone i n the story comes and take/get away a LI or future LI. Since this game is an incest game, it means the family are LI, so Eric coming in the story and taking away from the MC the family members is NTR.

 

[Mayonesa]

What do you know? Aleksey answered my question, about Eric. So I ask Aleksey about when we could get rid of Eric. If it would be soon. His response:

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sent you a message.

Good question. There's still a lot to do before we get rid of Eric. Now all the holes are being filled before aunt Kira arrives. After that, Kira will be introduced to the game and this is a big job. After that, there will be a lot of events with all the characters, including the development of relations with Eric. If you really look at the volume of what needs to be done for v0.04, it will take exactly more than a month. And most likely the moment and ways to get rid of Eric will be present in v0.05.

Finally he decided to talk about the problem of the game to some, Eric. But seeing his answer, we will have to wait first for v0.4, then v0.4.5, then when we reach v0.5, he will find a way to not get rid of Eric, saying he will need more time, so we will wait for v0.5.5 and so on so on, meanwhile he will keep making sex scenes for Eric because he is needed and Max not giving her mother/sister/aunt a candy must be punished by them fucking with Eric because he gave them a lemon candy, meanwhile if Max gets a BJ it would be a miracle. I hope I'm wrong but I'm not too optimistic since this dev says that he doesn't like Eric, but is planning to keep doing content for him, if I don't like tomatoes or chicken in the salad, I don't put them, I don't keep making things that I don't enjoy, that's just a dumb way to do things, Aleksey90 could instead find a way for the game to punish Max if he fails that doesn't involve NTR or Eric, maybe having to wait a few weeks before trying it again, maybe having to grind more, maybe having to bring presents to the girls for them to forgive you, I don't know, just using Eric screams unoriginality.

 

[Mayonesa]

If it goes like the original BB did then you can block him from everyone but Ann/mom, Ann/mom is his girlfriend and this is not NTR stuff.
I hope we are able to cock block him with pills like in the original BB until we can get rid of his ass.

Ann/Eric is NTR since in the intro we don't get introduced to Eric as Ann boyfriend, it isn't there from the start of the game, he comes later, so he does take Ann away from the MC, since the moment she starts with Eric, she does the same thing as most NTR girls do, trusting the NTR guy (Eric) over everyone, having only eyes for the NTR guy, ignoring/being harder on the MC because reasons, fuckign the NTR guy everywhere without caring about others seeing them and things like that, doing everything the NTR guy says...If it wasn't an incest game and the mother wouldn't be a LI, it still may count as NTR since she is your family and is taken away by some ramdom/disgusting guy and she kinds of forgets about her family.

 

[Mayonesa]

Ann is Max's mother and they have no other relationship than mom and son when eric shows up and she tells everyone at the breakfast table they are dating.

eric and Ann is not NTR.

When someone take someone important to you away from you, it's NTR. It doesn't have to be your girlfriend/wife, it can be your childhood friend, your sister, your aunt which you spend most of your time, or even your mother. The conection is lost and then the girl becomes more and more distant form the MC or doesn't care about him. That's NTR.

It's even worse in incest, since Ann is a future LI, she going for another guy is NTR. By your logic, Eric getting with the sisters or the aunt isn't NTR either since they are his sisters and his aunt, nothing more. Or the multiple porn comics and games that have NTR where a guy takes away from the MC his mother/sister/childhood friend aren't all NTR going by your logic.

For it to be NTR the MC has to have some kind of conection to the girl, it may be a familiar love, a long time friend, a person he spend more of the time with, etc. SO when said girl is taken away it brings in jealously or excitment or some kind of feeling.

 

[Mayonesa]

NO you have it all wrong Ann in not Max's girlfriend or wife she is his mother and other than that they don't have a relationship yet.

Did you even read what I posted? I didn't say that Ann was the wife/girlfriend of Max, I said that they share a relationship, a conection, in this case a familiar bond, since she is his mother, Ntr doesn't only involves girlfriend/wifes, that just cheating, NTR involves the feeling of jealously, it can be even from a future LI.

Acording to your definition, Eric fucking the sisters of Max or the aunt, won't be NTR, since Max isn't the boyfriend of any of that characters, yet you would say that's NTR.

There are multiple works, where it is labelled as NTR, even in games here, where the guy doing the NTR, is taking away the Mom/sister/friend of the MC, and in those works the MC isn't the boyfriend of any of the girls taken awya, yet it's NTR.

Many of this works are japanese, many comics, stories, vn are tagged or described as NTR by the japanese author and it doesn't involve a wife or a girlfriend, since if it was only about a girlfriend/wife fucking others guys, it would be labelled as cheating.

Here another definition of NTR from vndb:
Netorare (寝取られ) is a sexual fetish designed to cause sexual jealousy by way of having the heroine indulge in sexual activity with someone other than the protagonist.

For a game to be classified as Netorare the following conditions must be met:
1. The heroine either must be romantically involved with the protagonist, a potential romance for him or of someone that the protagonist shares such a close relationship (sister, mother, osananajimi etc.) that jealousy is a factor.

2. Related sexual events are explicitly shown to the player or later described in detail.

This does not include relationships of heroines that are outside the route you follow. Explanation: Route 1 is for Heroine A, the protagonist is romantically involved with her. During that route, if she sleeps with other characters than the protagonist, it would be NTR. But during Route 2, which is about Heroine B, where the protagonist has no romantic relationship with Heroine A, her having sex with others wouldn't count as NTR.

 

[Marcope]

Wrong again, for a game to have NTR tag on this site we go by what the tag rules say.
Ntr [Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC.]
https://f95zone.to/threads/tags-rules-and-list-updated-2019-03-24.10394/

In this game and at this time Ann is not a romantic interest for Max.

She is a romantic interest, from the begining of the game, it's even in the description of the game, "- Find a way to make money and seduce the women in your family!".

This is an incest game, the family members are all romantic interest from the start of the game, since Max wants to be with them. We all know that this game is following the steps of the original, so she is a romantic interest and will be a lover of the MC in the future, which makes her relationship with Eric a NTR one, using your same definition, nothing more.

A romantic interest is made by the posibilities of her/him becoming a LI, the mother is a romantic interest to the players and the MC since the begioning, we all know that, the sisters are all romantic interest, the aunt the same, the firends of Lisa too.

No matter how you look at it, Ann is a romantic interest at the very least to the players, since the moment they see her. The first updates without Eric, she was a romantic interest and there was no Eric, so everything that came after that doesn'0t stop her from being a romantic interest since the first contact with her, thus making her relationship with Eric Ntr and even worse an unavoidable NTR, even after aleksay90 said that it would be all avoidable when this "remake" started.

But if you want to keep your opinion that Ann/Eric isn't NTR but Eric/Lisa is NTR because she is a romantic interest, then what of Ann? if the goal of the game is to seduce the family members that means that all the family members are romantic interest, thus making your point moot.

But what will I know, I was just passing by.

 

[Mayonesa]

Wrong again, for a game to have NTR tag on this site we go by what the tag rules say.
Ntr [Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC.]
https://f95zone.to/threads/tags-rules-and-list-updated-2019-03-24.10394/

In this game and at this time Ann is not a romantic interest for Max.

So in an INCEST game, the family members aren't a romantic interest ...yeah, are we talking about the same game? Because if like you said "In this game and at this time Ann is not a romantic interest for Max." then why would be able to have sex with her later on? It's because she is a romatic interest since the first minute of the game, the game itself is about seducing your family to beging with. Ann is a LI, this is an incest game.

You saying that it isn't NTR because Ann isn't a love interest, or what I think that you wanted to say is that she isn't a "romantic interest of Max yet or at that point". It doesn't really work in an incest game, where we know that the family members are all future LI, so if your read that again, all the females in this game, are and will be from the moment we see them a romantic interest as you say. If they are family members in an incest game they are insta locked as LI or future LI, so Ann-Eric is NTr even by the definition of this site, there's nothing more to add and I'm tired of talking tbh. If you don't want to see the things for what they are, then by all means, just don't try to explain it using different definitions and with the sit definition of NTR since by all means it describe the situation of Ann-Eric as NTR, because she is a LI.

I mean, if it wasn't NTR as you said it isn't, the game wouldn't be tagged as NTR by the site so...

 

[a1fox3]

So in an INCEST game, the family members aren't a romantic interest ...yeah, are we talking about the same game? Because if like you said "In this game and at this time Ann is not a romantic interest for Max." then why would be able to have sex with her later on? It's because she is a romatic interest since the first minute of the game, the game itself is about seducing your family to beging with. Ann is a LI, this is an incest game.

You saying that it isn't NTR because Ann isn't a love interest, or what I think that you wanted to say is that she isn't a "romantic interest of Max yet or at that point". It doesn't really work in an incest game, where we know that the family members are all future LI, so if your read that again, all the females in this game, are and will be from the moment we see them a romantic interest as you say. If they are family members in an incest game they are insta locked as LI or future LI, so Ann-Eric is NTr even by the definition of this site, there's nothing more to add and I'm tired of talking tbh. If you don't want to see the things for what they are, then by all means, just don't try to explain it using different definitions and with the sit definition of NTR since by all means it describe the situation of Ann-Eric as NTR, because she is a LI.

I mean, if it wasn't NTR as you said it isn't, the game wouldn't be tagged as NTR by the site so...

There is NTR in this game but its not with Ann at the beginning.

If you allow it to happen eric gets all women in the house while you being his lapdog.
But you can block it all one way or another after it starts.

I have deleted my post and will not fight you over what F95 has for NTR.
Good by and your on my ignore list so I will never see any of your post again.

 

[Mayonesa]

There is NTR in this game but its not with Ann.

If you allow it to happen eric gets all women in the house while you being his lapdog.
But you can block it all one way or another after it starts.

Let's go by the site definition of NTR, as you said.
Ntr [Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC.]
Is Ann a LI? Yes, she is and will be a LI in the game, same as the other family members.

So according to the site Ann-Eric is NTR, there's no discusion. It's like making a 3 Shoot in basket, having your feet pass the line when you made it, it's a 3 shot? No it isn't. You can argue that at the moment you didn't thought that you were in the line, but you were still past the line. So with this game it's the same. Ann is a romantic interest of the game, same as Kira, same as Lisa, same as Alice. So if any of them got with Eric it's NTR.

BTW if the tags are added, it means that already exist NTR in the game, otherwise the tag couldn't be there by the site rules. And since the only relationship that can be NTR in the game at the moment is the Ann-Eric one... There's nothing more to add.

 

[Dracconic Evolution]

If you look right to NTR, it doesn't have to be with a girl the MC has a romantic relationship with being taken for it to be NTR. If it was only applied to MC's wife/girlfriend, then the multiple NTR stories about how the childhood friend got seduced by the ugly manager while the MC doesn't do shit, won't be NTR at all, since according to you "she should be his to beging with".

NTR has to make the players/readers feel jealously among other things, it can be from someone taking a close friend of the MC, somoene he has some kind of conection with or even a family member, but in the most normal cases, it is NTR when someone i n the story comes and take/get away a LI or future LI. Since this game is an incest game, it means the family are LI, so Eric coming in the story and taking away from the MC the family members is NTR.

Definition of Netorare:
It's a genre of adult manga or hentai. It should be defined as CHEATING/Unfaithful/Adultery.

It is too often INCORRECTLY defined as "cuckholding". However true readers of the genre know that cuckholding is just a sub-element and a fetish. A fetish where one likes to watch their significant other, having relations (usually sexual) with another person.

In NTR(netorare) however the the a bf/gf/wife/husband Do Not have to make a appearance in the story whatsoever. They often Do Not Ever find out about the betrayal. In some ntr the cheated on individual may end up in a situation where they are forced to watch there significant other cheat on them. To go slightly further. Some ntr is known as NETORI. This can also be defined as Cheating. Except it's from the point of view of the individual stealing away the heart of someone already in a relationship. Once again the gf/bf/wife/husband never has to make a appearance in this type of story.

 

[Mayonesa]

Definition of Netorare:
It's a genre of adult manga or hentai. It should be defined as CHEATING/Unfaithful/Adultery.

It is too often INCORRECTLY defined as "cuckholding". However true readers of the genre know that cuckholding is just a sub-element and a fetish. A fetish where one likes to watch their significant other, having relations (usually sexual) with another person.

In NTR(netorare) however the the a bf/gf/wife/husband Do Not have to make a appearance in the story whatsoever. They often Do Not Ever find out about the betrayal. In some ntr the cheated on individual may end up in a situation where they are forced to watch there significant other cheat on them. To go slightly further. Some ntr is known as NETORI. This can also be defined as Cheating. Except it's from the point of view of the individual stealing away the heart of someone already in a relationship. Once again the gf/bf/wife/husband never has to make a appearance in this type of story.

Look at my other post, I don't want to repeat myself. Suffice to say, that if NTR was only with girlfriends/wifes/husband sleeping with others, it would be called simple cheating.

That's not the definition of NTR at least not the one accepted here as a1fox3 said, the definition on the forum is:

Ntr [Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC.]

Since Ann is a romantic interest, she being with Eric is NTR, point closed.

 

[JoleenStar]

Eric really pisses you guys off, huh? LOL. I mean you have every opportunity to get rid of him ASAP so I don't get why some of ya'll are so mad about it.

 

[Sonixplus]

can someone tell me the full changelog in this new update..tq

 

[Aristos]

How much longer do I need to help Lisa to complete "Schoolgirl"?
And how many dozens of times do I need to get rid of the spider before I'm allowed to throw it in the shower?
Jesus, the grind is completely absurd for a fucking reboot.