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WhiteFireDaemon

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At the beginning you should help Lisa with her homework. To avoid Eric teaching Lisa, "Max authority" was not allowed to be brought to the level of "Listen to you" before taking a photo of Eric. After Max has taken the photo and brought Max authority to the level of "Listen to you". Max could blackmail Eric with the photo and take over "sex ed" with Lisa. When it comes to Alice, Eric never had sex with Alice. There was only massages. You can talk to Alice about it (after Eric leaves). If you haven't seen Eric having sex with Kira. Eric will never bother Alice and Max will never have a conversation with Eric about chocolates. When it comes to Eric's punishment, Max must not allow Eric's influence on Alice to rise to 60%. Only when Eric's influence exceeds 60% will Eric punish Alice
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I always got the impression that what went on between Eric and Alice was retroactively changed in later updates. Considering how things were progressing and how Max would say that it sounds like they were having sex when he was listening at the door, I got the impression that at that point in development the idea was that Eric actually got to sample Alice's goods. Since we never actually SAW it however, it was changed in a later update after there was so much outrage about Eric and the NTR so that when you could talk to Alice after Eric was gone, she would claim nothing ever happened.

The same sort of thing I think happened with Lisa. Before Eric is gone, Lisa repeatedly goes into the bedroom with Eric and Ann. He also at some point says that he could never get Lisa to do anything (or something along those lines). Max however gets quite far in his lessons with Lisa, so I find it hard to believe that Eric wouldn't have been able to get Lisa to do more than just watch Eric and Ann demonstrate stuff despite later updates seeming to paint things in that light.

I really hope that things don't get censored by an over abundance of caution by this developer. I'd like to see things really get out of control if Max fails in his war against Eric. Stuff like Eric actually having sex with Alice for her webcam shows. Lisa helping her mom with Eric on the couch, or some lessons for Lisa that include some practical application on her part. All of it of course being even better if Max is watching and unable to stop it.
 

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I always got the impression that what went on between Eric and Alice was retroactively changed in later updates. Considering how things were progressing and how Max would say that it sounds like they were having sex when he was listening at the door, I got the impression that at that point in development the idea was that Eric actually got to sample Alice's goods. Since we never actually SAW it however, it was changed in a later update after there was so much outrage about Eric and the NTR so that when you could talk to Alice after Eric was gone, she would claim nothing ever happened.

The same sort of thing I think happened with Lisa. Before Eric is gone, Lisa repeatedly goes into the bedroom with Eric and Ann. He also at some point says that he could never get Lisa to do anything (or something along those lines). Max however gets quite far in his lessons with Lisa, so I find it hard to believe that Eric wouldn't have been able to get Lisa to do more than just watch Eric and Ann demonstrate stuff despite later updates seeming to paint things in that light.

I really hope that things don't get censored by an over abundance of caution by this developer. I'd like to see things really get out of control if Max fails in his war against Eric. Stuff like Eric actually having sex with Alice for her webcam shows. Lisa helping her mom with Eric on the couch, or some lessons for Lisa that include some practical application on her part. All of it of course being even better if Max is watching and unable to stop it.
If you do it the way I have described, Eric will never have the chance to teach Lisa. Eric comes after dinner and wants to teach Lisa. You hand Lisa over to Eric and immediately afterwards you blackmail Eric with the photo in Ann's room. Afterwards you talk to Lisa while she does the dishes. It all happens at 20:00, so Eric has no chance. But you can allow it and blackmail Eric the next day or later. If it is about Alice, only massages would be planned. Here are the pictures that were planned, but they were not implanted because many people got excited.
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armion82

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Maybe, although to me just because I didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. If going to the living room at 3am means I see Eric fucking Kira then unless I can get rid of Eric before that time on that same day, as far as I'm concerned it still happens at 3am even if I wasn't awake to see it.

Now in the case of Lisa it's different I think. If you don't help her with her homework initially then her "lessons" with Eric and Anne never get triggered if I remember right. Max's "lessons" with her have to trigger first I think. So that one is legitimately avoidable.
Same for Alice. You can't avoid him hitting on her and perving out on her late at night, but the fact that he tries to make a deal to find out the secret to getting past her guard (those alcohol laden chocolates), tells us that he's never able to seal the deal unless Max helps him. He gets farther than you might want but she basically draws the line at peep shows and massages.

The original never shows Eric actually fucking her as far as I remember but if you do make the deal with Eric to tell him about the chocolates, those "punishments" where Alice comes back out blushing strongly imply that Eric had his way with her even though you don't actually see it.

The "lessons" with Lisa are a lot more vague about what happens and it never shows anything. I got the feeling that it was more along the lines of her watching the two of them fuck but it's pretty much just whatever you imagine it might have been since they never show us. He never gets her alone, Anne is always there as well, unlike with Alice.
If you go to bed before 3AM nothing happen at all.It's your choice.If you stay until 3AM then it will happen.Even if you don't see it.
To me that's not really avoiding it. Just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. If you walked into the room at 3am he was already in the middle of fucking her, which means even if you hadn't walked in and caught them he would still have been fucking her. You just wouldn't have seen it. It's the same kind of thing as catching the wife cheating. If you come home early and catch her banging the pool boy obviously you know she's cheating. If you stayed late, she was still fucking the pool boy, you just didn't catch her in the act.
Actually it means exactly that.If you don't stay until 3AM that scene never happen.Only If you stay but didn't go to the room -the scene happen but you don't see it.
 
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khumak

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If you go to bed before 3AM nothing happen at all.It's your choice.If you stay until 3AM then it will happen.Even if you don't see it.

Actually it means exactly that.If you don't stay until 3AM that scene never happen.Only If you stay but didn't go to the room -the scene happen but you don't see it.
I disagree, but if that's the way you want to think about it that's fine. By your logic though, you could avoid Eric ever getting anywhere with Anne also. Just don't go into the living room and don't peek in Anne's bedroom. Then you won't see them fooling around so apparently it doesn't happen?
 

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If you do it the way I have described, Eric will never have the chance to teach Lisa. Eric comes after dinner and wants to teach Lisa. You hand Eric Lisa over to Eric and immediately afterwards you blackmail Eric with the photo in Ann's room. Afterwards you talk to Lisa while she does the dishes. It all happens at 20:00, so Eric has no chance. But you can allow it and blackmail Eric the next day or later. If it is about Alice, only massages would be planned. Here are the pictures that were planned, but they were not implanted because many people got excited.
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If that's the worst case scenario, it seems kind of like a let down. I mean basically in that case, regardless of how bad Max might screw things up or get lazy letting Eric run rampant, there's zero risk of Eric ever getting to fuck anyone but Ann and Kira. Pretty disappointing as it feels like there's no real risk. Like a "better treat your wife right or else she might wander and cheat on you by letting other guys see and squeeze her breasts. Nothing more than that though because there's zero chance she'll ever sleep with anyone else."

If some massages and a little touching is the most that ever happens, then it seems to me that the developer(s) are too timid to really push the limits. I was hoping that this game would actually take things further down the NTR path if you started losing to Eric. If that's all that's planned though, it once again feels like dire consequences for Max are teased, yet nothing every happens. Like a bank robber threatening to shoot his hostages with an unloaded gun. "I'll do it! I'll really do it!" "Yawn...okay, then do it." "Aren't you going to try to stop me?" "Why? You're too much of a bitch to ever do anything." Why bother trying to fight against Eric if he never gets anywhere with either of the sisters? There's no suspense without any real danger.
 

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Well I've tried that. Right since the first fix has dropped, it doesn't work. The cheat mod in that directory works, but not the fix!
Well sorry to mention files supported by this method needs to be in RPYC FORMAT

rpa formats dont work

I have been using RPYC and they work fine for me


I repeat Rpa formats dont work
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If that's the worst case scenario, it seems kind of like a let down. I mean basically in that case, regardless of how bad Max might screw things up or get lazy letting Eric run rampant, there's zero risk of Eric ever getting to fuck anyone but Ann and Kira. Pretty disappointing as it feels like there's no real risk. Like a "better treat your wife right or else she might wander and cheat on you by letting other guys see and squeeze her breasts. Nothing more than that though because there's zero chance she'll ever sleep with anyone else."

If some massages and a little touching is the most that ever happens, then it seems to me that the developer(s) are too timid to really push the limits. I was hoping that this game would actually take things further down the NTR path if you started losing to Eric. If that's all that's planned though, it once again feels like dire consequences for Max are teased, yet nothing every happens. Like a bank robber threatening to shoot his hostages with an unloaded gun. "I'll do it! I'll really do it!" "Yawn...okay, then do it." "Aren't you going to try to stop me?" "Why? You're too much of a bitch to ever do anything." Why bother trying to fight against Eric if he never gets anywhere with either of the sisters? There's no suspense without any real danger.
That was original, not this game. What I know is this. When ask about seeing Eric with the girls, Aleksey said, if the player lets it happen, then it will.


The first is an Alliance with Eric.

You will be able to see how he'll mess up Max's family. Also, if you behave yourself and help Eric do it, you can even participate in this corruption.

And if you are very impudent and take risks, you will get something without Eric.
 
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First of all : nice remake, renpy got its limitations but its a good job done. I do enjoy it !
And now : possible bug :

Game crushes on morning kiss training with Lisa (success only is my guess) - got kissing on 56% of success (possible breast grope). It happends 2-3 times.

Anyone knows if theres anything to find out in bathroom ? Shower/bath at cerain time may end up with something interesting ?
 

armion82

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I disagree, but if that's the way you want to think about it that's fine. By your logic though, you could avoid Eric ever getting anywhere with Anne also. Just don't go into the living room and don't peek in Anne's bedroom. Then you won't see them fooling around so apparently it doesn't happen?
No that won't help you with Ann.
I am talking only about Kira/You just don't get that if you go to sleep before 3AM that scene never happen,if you don't believe just check the game code.That scene trigger only if you stay until 3AM only on a specific day of the week.
 
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If that's the worst case scenario, it seems kind of like a let down. I mean basically in that case, regardless of how bad Max might screw things up or get lazy letting Eric run rampant, there's zero risk of Eric ever getting to fuck anyone but Ann and Kira. Pretty disappointing as it feels like there's no real risk. Like a "better treat your wife right or else she might wander and cheat on you by letting other guys see and squeeze her breasts. Nothing more than that though because there's zero chance she'll ever sleep with anyone else."

If some massages and a little touching is the most that ever happens, then it seems to me that the developer(s) are too timid to really push the limits. I was hoping that this game would actually take things further down the NTR path if you started losing to Eric. If that's all that's planned though, it once again feels like dire consequences for Max are teased, yet nothing every happens. Like a bank robber threatening to shoot his hostages with an unloaded gun. "I'll do it! I'll really do it!" "Yawn...okay, then do it." "Aren't you going to try to stop me?" "Why? You're too much of a bitch to ever do anything." Why bother trying to fight against Eric if he never gets anywhere with either of the sisters? There's no suspense without any real danger.
I think you need to keep in mind the perspective of people who don't like NTR as well though. The way events play out in the original with Eric, if the player does not have foreknowledge of exactly how events play out and the NTR scenes progressed to their logical conclusion instead of mostly just being teasers then the NTR would basically be unavoidable for a first time player. You really would have to bend over backwards with knowledge of exactly how events play out to avoid it because Eric is otherwise a drastically overpowered rival.

So while I agree that having a legit threat there improves the game even if I don't actually want to see those scenes, if a first time player is basically guaranteed to wind up on that NTR path then most players would not like it. I'm assuming of course that the NTR fan base is smaller than the vanilla/harem type of fan base. I realise some NTR fans would rather the NTR be unavoidable but for basically anyone who's not an NTR fan that's kind of a deal breaker.

You could probably add some sort of toggle that makes it easier or harder to avoid the NTR if you wanted but most games don't do that. Most games either only have one mode or they have a hard toggle that just flat out turns NTR on or off.
 
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