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Max tells Kira about what he overhears from Eric and his mother. That she is acting strangely. That is also the reason why Kira tells Max about Ann's childhood. She has some trouble with men like Eric. She believes everything they say and she does everything for them so that he stays with her. At the expense of her children. In reality, it happens that a drunk hits his wife. Afterward, he apologizes and regrets never doing it again. Until he is drunk again and beats her again. The man brings the woman to naught and believes that it is right when he beats her and possibly her daughter is raped by him. That´s ok for you? Fine.

Yes, what does he want to achieve with the gifts? Both with Alice and with Lisa? That they like him, right? Oh, lovely Eric! You are really nice to us. Nothing more? Bullshit. That's just so he can use it to make them submissive so he can fuck them.

Yes exactly! Excellent! Yeah of course sex-Ed. And now he wants to have sex-Ed with Lisa alone in Max's room because Ann can no longer "help" as a woman/mother. He wants just to fuck her. No sex-Ed. Open your eyes and read the story.
I really don't remember the part where Kira tells Max a secret about Ann's past (I remember but not the full dialogue), but I remember she had been raped or something Kira left her alone when they were young. In most dialogues, I end up skipping because I'm not interested, as it was in this part. DS was never very good at plotting, but anyway... In reality, it happens that a drunk hits his wife. Afterward, he apologizes and regrets never doing it again. Until he is drunk again and beats her again. The man brings the woman to naught and believes that it is right when he beats her and possibly her daughter is raped by him. Who are you talking about?

Eric will not give Alice gifts and money for nothing. Of course he wants to gain her trust and affection to have sex with her. As for Lisa, understand why I skipped the conversation about rape and etc? Do you think Ann who went through some psychological disorder would let her boyfriend touch her daughter? But let's assume Eric knows Ann is weak-minded and always tries to blackmail her, that if it doesn't go his way he will leave his life and that makes Ann submit to him at all costs. I really wouldn't be that interested in that. I mean, wouldn't it be more practical to write a simpler and more constructive plot? is a porn game and not a life simulator. Of course Eric wants to fuck every girl in the house, otherwise it would be a boring game where the NPC is just an figurant.

I think you don't understand me. I didn't say or imply that Eric didn't want to have sex with the girls in the house. He acts like a wolf in a chicken coop, he won't touch girls without their permission or rather rape them. Sex-Ed it's just an excuse to touch Lisa and then fuck her. Hey mate, I'm not a stupid.
 
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f96zonetrooper

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It depends on if you play on the friend route or not.
If Max does not oppose Eric, Max can join to watch when Eric and Ann have sex. In BB he even could grope Ann, I think.
Ann would not agree to this but Eric orders her to play along and she obeys. (In some scenes Ann is blindfolded and maybe in bondage, so she does not know it is Max.)
Kira reveals that Ann and she once were kidnapped and Ann stayed a week (?) alone with the kidnapper which changed Ann mentally to now obey orders from dominant persons.
 
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Eric will not give Alice gifts and money for nothing. Of course he wants to gain her trust and affection to have sex with her. As for Lisa, understand why I skipped the conversation about rape and etc? Do you think Ann who went through some psychological disorder would let her boyfriend touch her daughter? But let's assume Eric knows Ann is weak-minded and always tries to blackmail her, that if it doesn't go his way he will leave his life and that makes Ann submit to him at all costs. I really wouldn't be that interested in that. I mean, wouldn't it be more practical to write a simpler and more constructive plot? is a porn game and not a life simulator. Of course Eric wants to fuck every girl in the house, otherwise it would be a boring game where the NPC is just an figurant.
There's this scene in BB, which will probably be in BB AS now, where Max took pictures of Eric jerking off in front of Alice's bedroom. He shrugs it off, explains something flimsy to Ann... and Ann believes him and accuses Max of doing bad things.
 

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Yeah, in original, Eric was overheard by Max talking on the phone, to his real girl friend, or wife. The plain was to take the house from Ann, kick the family out, and either move in it with her, or sale it and go back to her. Original was never real clear on this plain of his, but soon after Max gets rid of Eric, so it went no further than that. Nothing about killing anyone. From Eric's wallet Max found out that Eric's real name was Victor, and he was wanted by some Mob guys are something to that effect. Seems Eric had done something very similar to the wrong lady, someone connected with these guys. So basically all Max had to do was make that phone call, and Eric swims with the fishes. Aleksey has a humane way of getting rid of Eric, so he rejected my idea of driving a railroad spike through his left eye till it pops out the back of his skull.
OK when back to the original to see this and its there. No plot murder plot from Eric anddddd...... Technicalllllyyyyy the only murder plot may come from Max on one of the paths to deal with Eric. Do you think any aspect of that specific plot will make it into BS_AS?
 

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I understand BB_AS is not just a remake but revamp of the original but I have reached the point of finally dealing with Eric in very little time on the original and finished the last version with no Eric in Glamour. I realise Eric's character is one some people love to hate and others love to debate on but unless BB_AS turns out to be a huge game (content wise) or this is where the BB_AS VN changes paths and becomes another game altogether. It's getting harder for me to comprehend the level of influence Eric exerts on not just the family but the players. I've not finished the available content of the original so my argument is only from what I've seen so far and heard. But again I'm really struggling the understanding why he's taking up so space (game wise and players time). Even in the game itself he's only there in the night 2 or 3 days a week....... Why in BB_AS is he such a central figure when there is so much more of the story to go?
 

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Sorry if my statement turned into a ramble in some parts I really try to keep it short but there were a lot of thoughts to condense.
 

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can any one help how to pass the kira route i have completed watching and kissing lessons with kira and finished massage with lisa and alice open top too, but unable to get into bath with kira at night even i peek with ladder tooo. she is always in bath at 2am only?? how to procceed
 

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But again I'm really struggling the understanding why he's taking up so space (game wise and players time). Even in the game itself he's only there in the night 2 or 3 days a week.......
AfaIk in BB after a certain story point Eric gained weekly influence and when reaching 100% with Ann and 2 of 3 girls (Lisa, Alice, Kira) it is a game over. Reducing Eric's weekly influence to zero is only possible if you know all actions which affect influence. This knowledge players either get from a walkthrough or by try and error. Battling Eric's influence is a job which requires to repeat these daily and weekly tasks as often as possible/necessary every day/week which is a chore. Otherwise Eric's influence will slowly increase up to 100%. I think for Alice it was a combination of 1-2 spider events (5 days cooldown to get new spider), applying sunblock (?) and daily tv event.
While learning how to effectively battle Eric is part of the challenge, endless repitition of all these steps every day/week just to prevent a game over does not add to the story nor unlocks new content. So it is good that players can get rid of Eric.

In BB_AS in current version the influence is broken and can't be effectively reduced, so players usually use the cheat menu to keep Eric's influence down.
 
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dwalsh

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Otherwise Eric's influence will slowly increase up to 100%. I think for Alice it was a combination of 1-2 spider events (5 days cooldown to get new spider) said:
I think I got lucky because I just grinded for 3 - 4 weeks and got Ann's influence to 0, Alice to 25 and Lisa to zero. It really was not that hard. I am sure I did not formulate my question properly now. So I'll rethink ask later.
 

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There is a fair amount of content, but it's still on the Eric phase
thx but Eric phase?
Also its kinda crucial in determining if I try this, since with limited internet I cant download everything, but how much content is there with the mum?
 

dwalsh

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thx but Eric phase?
Also its kinda crucial in determining if I try this, since with limited internet I cant download everything, but how much content is there with the mum?
Not much, Eric is still there. None actually.
 
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