Ren'Py Big Brother: Another Story Rebuild [v0.08.02] [Aleksey90]

[dwalsh]

Could someone send the full save? THX in advance

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[Grundy12]

I really wish I could enjoy this game but everything in it is far too slow. Even using cheats it takes far too long to get anywhere, because even with an ungodly ammount of money you need to wait in-game time for items to arrive, and then you need to wait for the characters to be in the position to use the item, and then you need to wait until your skill on using the item increases (and even using cheats to increase the actual skill doesnt help because the game many times has it scripted). All the while all you can do is keep pressing the wait button and then choose the exact same two lines of dialogue every meal.

Here are a few things I suggest would make the game better;

-Instantaneous product delivery. You buy it, you have it, no longer wait for a whole day for an item you bought to be useable.

-Lower the camera price by, like, 70%.

-Add a 'skip whole day' button in MC's room

-Weekly allowance for the MC, so the player doesn't have to slog through the same two chores at early game

-Untangle requirements from other requirements. This means, make it so progressing with one storyline shouldn't require you to progress through another storyline. This is the most important thing that needs changing and also the hardest one to change.

-Make it so the MC can watch tutorials multiple times in a row. Or better yet, buying the tutorial means you watch it all at once. The player gains NOTHING from being told to press the wait button three times between lessons other than boredom.

-The wait times between events seem (even) worse than they are due to to the robotic nature of the characters. They all have the exact same pattern every week, only have one line of dialogue when outside events, never interact with each other... the lack of variation makes the wait times worse than they are, is my point. A 'corruption' game where the characters don't start acting differently is missing the point of corruption.

-Get rid of the random % for persuasion. Either the MC has enough points to convince the character, or he doesn't. This isn't XCOM, we don't need to fail a 90% shot for an event to work.

-Change the dynamic of Eric. Don't worry, I'm not going to complain about NTR, I -like- NTR. Here's the thing; Eric is an empty threat. At the start of the game he works to break the boredom because he adds time limits and a clear objective; if you don't buy the girls clothes before him he woos them faster. After that he just enters the rotation of NPCs that do nothing but follow the same pattern over and over again, unless the MC progresses the story himself. A "good" villain for any game needs to have agency. Eric should, if you take too long to progress through the story yourself, start progressing his own agenda. The character screen for the girls have a MC influence level and a Eric influence level and as far as I can tell neither of those two things do anything. If you add periodic events (say, once each two weeks) where Eric tries to corrupt a girl and the MC has to stop it somehow, it makes the wait feels less than a wait and more of a preparation time.

 

[dwalsh]

Add a 'skip whole day' button in MC's room

I can agree with this

MC influence level and a Eric influence level and as far as I can tell neither of those two things do anything.

Yes they do, you get different scenes depending on these values.

A 'corruption' game where the characters don't start acting differently is missing the point of corruption

Yes there are some stagnant scenes that could change as the relationships develops. Eg shower, walking in on Lisa, pool smoking event with Alice, Alice blogging etc. But there are more that have changed.
Alot of you last paragraph is already in game

Get rid of the random % for persuasion. Either the MC has enough points to convince the character, or he doesn't. This isn't XCOM, we don't need to fail a 90% shot for an event to work

This makes the game more realistic, in real life even if you have a high influence on someone that does not mean they can't say no.

 

[dwalsh]

All the while all you can do is keep pressing the wait button and then choose the exact same two lines of dialogue every meal.

Last one, I agree that later in the game more variety can be done at the dinner table as well as when Ann is washing dishes or in her room by herself. But these are simple to say and hard to implement. That's coding for dialogue, body positions, clothing before you even talk able the variables.

 

[Nemo56]

I really wish I could enjoy this game but everything in it is far too slow. Even using cheats it takes far too long to get anywhere, because even with an ungodly ammount of money you need to wait in-game time for items to arrive, and then you need to wait for the characters to be in the position to use the item, and then you need to wait until your skill on using the item increases (and even using cheats to increase the actual skill doesnt help because the game many times has it scripted). All the while all you can do is keep pressing the wait button and then choose the exact same two lines of dialogue every meal.

Here are a few things I suggest would make the game better;

-Instantaneous product delivery. You buy it, you have it, no longer wait for a whole day for an item you bought to be useable.

-Lower the camera price by, like, 70%.

-Add a 'skip whole day' button in MC's room

-Weekly allowance for the MC, so the player doesn't have to slog through the same two chores at early game

-Untangle requirements from other requirements. This means, make it so progressing with one storyline shouldn't require you to progress through another storyline. This is the most important thing that needs changing and also the hardest one to change.

-Make it so the MC can watch tutorials multiple times in a row. Or better yet, buying the tutorial means you watch it all at once. The player gains NOTHING from being told to press the wait button three times between lessons other than boredom.

-The wait times between events seem (even) worse than they are due to to the robotic nature of the characters. They all have the exact same pattern every week, only have one line of dialogue when outside events, never interact with each other... the lack of variation makes the wait times worse than they are, is my point. A 'corruption' game where the characters don't start acting differently is missing the point of corruption.

-Get rid of the random % for persuasion. Either the MC has enough points to convince the character, or he doesn't. This isn't XCOM, we don't need to fail a 90% shot for an event to work.

-Change the dynamic of Eric. Don't worry, I'm not going to complain about NTR, I -like- NTR. Here's the thing; Eric is an empty threat. At the start of the game he works to break the boredom because he adds time limits and a clear objective; if you don't buy the girls clothes before him he woos them faster. After that he just enters the rotation of NPCs that do nothing but follow the same pattern over and over again, unless the MC progresses the story himself. A "good" villain for any game needs to have agency. Eric should, if you take too long to progress through the story yourself, start progressing his own agenda. The character screen for the girls have a MC influence level and a Eric influence level and as far as I can tell neither of those two things do anything. If you add periodic events (say, once each two weeks) where Eric tries to corrupt a girl and the MC has to stop it somehow, it makes the wait feels less than a wait and more of a preparation time.

"Untangle requirements from other requirements"
Absolutely not! That's what makes this game special compared to others and makes sure the story flow is constant.
In the original the single strains were almost completely separated, that was absolute bollocks.
I only know one other game that is bold enough to do this, that's Photohunt. Compared to your typical VN this is a lot harder to implement. Every script kiddie can do single separated storylines. It becomes more complicated if the progress is event based with multiple dependencies.
If you want that, you really should play the original instead.

The "skip day" button would actually be ok, even if that would mean that peopl miss even more content and then complain about there not being enough.

The game would gain nothing from an allowance or instant delivery. The allowance would only make the start of the game easier. THe only amount you actually have to work for are the first 100$ fo your website. From that point on making money is no big deal (later in the game you easily get a 1000$ weekly), it's just a problem for those who want everything at once and then complain that the game has no content.

Influence affects persuation. The less influnce you have, the lower your persuation will be. And yes, these are chances. The reason is that you need to stay on the girls' good side. Be a nice brother and don't ignore them .

I'm actually worried that you ask for more Eric.

 

[Nemo56]

For me Lisa compared to Alice has a very limited amount of activity so far to control influence and mood. Blessedly she's also most shielded.

Don't forget to check on her when she's changing, which you can do 3 or 4 times each day (morning, in and out her bikini, evening). If you don't peek, stay out of the room or apologize (later also compliments work), her mood goes up.
That + dish washing, hand massages and homework should be easily enough to make her smile.

 

[Moe_420]

I can not unlock this seen. I can watch this seen but it will not unlock

 

[Nemo56]

Nemo56 Restarted one of the earlier games I played Area69 If your looking for a filler game try it and tell me what you think of it.

I might take a look. yesterday evening I started "Syberia - The world before" however. When I'm not playing porn games, I play on of my 1600 GOG games . My pile of shame is higher than the Everest.
... and I just remembered I still need to finish the second season of Being a DIK. The first one was great, "Hell week" was just hillarious.

Bonetown (

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) got a remake, btw. I still need to look into that. Party on!

I also rediscovered one of my early games: Fascination
This is the character you play, it all starts with a shower scene

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I'm glad that Aleksey at least tries to bring in some adventure elements like item handling into this game, but of course Ren'Py is not the best engine when it comes to task oriented game play (there are specialized adventure engines for that) so I don't expect miracles.

 

[.Black Panther.]

Could someone send the full save? THX in advance

Click on the photo or link inside my signature, you will find it

 

[Nemo56]

I can not unlock this seen. I can watch this seen but it will not unlock

These scene happens if you don't give the bodysuit to Alice. Since you gave it to her, you got another scene. You can unlock it by loading a older savegame (it will remain unlocked, memories are not savegame dependent).

 

[Moe_420]

These scene happens if you don't give the bodysuit to Alice. Since you gave it to her, you got another scene. You can unlock it by loading a older savegame (it will remain unlocked, memories are not savegame dependent).

I did not give Alice the bodysuit and this scene will not unlock

 

[Nemo56]

I did not give Alice the bodysuit and this scene will not unlock

This scene unlocks when you spy on Alice/Eric, when he gives her the bodysuit.

Are you that early in the game or did you forget to spy?

 

[Moe_420]

This scene unlocks when you spy on Alice/Eric, when he gives her the bodysuit.

Are you that early in the game or did you forget to spy?

I know how to unlock the scene I have spied on Eric I can watch the scene but it WILL NOT UNLOCK

 

[Nemo56]

Oh, I missed that in the post. In that case it's a bug.
If you want to have all scenes unlocked, you can always use the persistent files posted earlier or the one posted in the savegames thread.
(btw, please use spoiler tags if you post large images).

 

[momaeh86]

I can't finish the stick or carrot-opportunity. I should be able to watch horror movies with Lisa being topless but whenever I save her from punishment I'm unable to watch movies with her at all. The hint says we have to make it before she goes to bed but that's when she's doing her homework. How can I change that?

 

[Nemo56]

I can't finish the stick or carrot-opportunity. I should be able to watch horror movies with Lisa being topless but whenever I save her from punishment I'm unable to watch movies with her at all. The hint says we have to make it before she goes to bed but that's when she's doing her homework. How can I change that?

Is she already watching movies topless with Max and Olivia on Friday evenings? That's also necessary. She has to get comfortable being topless around Max.

As usual: Don't focus on one opportunity. They are interconnected, progress with a girl happens at the same time in alle her opportunities. These are not separated storylines. Also make sure they stay happy all the time, interact with them, be nice.

 

[dwalsh]

I might take a look. yesterday evening I started "Syberia - The world before" however. When I'm not playing porn games, I play on of my 1600 GOG games . My pile of shame is higher than the Everest.
... and I just remembered I still need to finish the second season of Being a DIK. The first one was great, "Hell week" was just hillarious.

Bonetown (

You must be registered to see the links

) got a remake, btw. I still need to look into that. Party on!

I also rediscovered one of my early games: Fascination
This is the character you play, it all starts with a shower scene

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I'm glad that Aleksey at least tries to bring in some adventure elements like item handling into this game, but of course Ren'Py is not the best engine when it comes to task oriented game play (there are specialized adventure engines for that) so I don't expect miracles.

I'll take a look at it, have some other filler games to finish off myself. Deleted a few to save space already

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[momaeh86]

Is she already watching movies topless with Max and Olivia on Friday evenings? That's also necessary. She has to get comfortable being topless around Max.

As usual: Don't focus on one opportunity. They are interconnected, progress with a girl happens at the same time in alle her opportunities. These are not separated storylines. Also make sure they stay happy all the time, interact with them, be nice.

She already did 3 times. And the only other unfinished opportunity is mentor which requires progress in stick or carrot.

 

[Nemo56]

She already did 3 times. And the only other unfinished opportunity is mentor which requires progress in stick or carrot.

Try to post your savegame, maybe there's something wrong with it.
I just followed the hints, got Max caught, so he could watch movies with her.

 

[momaeh86]

Try to post your savegame, maybe there's something wrong with it.
I just followed the hints, got Max caught, so he could watch movies with her.

Yeah, that's the catch... I just forgot to get caught. My bad, thanks for your help!