Ren'Py Big Brother: Another Story Rebuild [v0.08.02] [Aleksey90]

[armion82]

Hey guys.Did someone of you still have the archive with all previes for entire game so far?Since the beginning.
Can you share it?

 

[kgirlffx]

He didn't say that there are not many people willing to support it financially. I take it you are one of those who payed for games with Eric as main character then?

There is no shame in being part of a minotiry, btw.

I honestly never even seen a BB game from the Eric PoV. If any existed, must have been a while back or the dev time was very short.

My comment mostly was meant to be taken light-hearted so don't want to dig into too much, but he literally said " Yes. And it's been tried and failed more than once. This may hit a few people in the feelings but a lot Eric supporters don't back up all their words with currency."

This exactly means that he is saying not many people are willing to support it financially. That's fine if that's his opinion, I was just disagreeing.

Not a big deal, but that is 100% what he said. Not sure why the push back on it tbh.

 

[kgirlffx]

idk, Big Brother was my first newish Western 3d porn game and I was allured by Ann's model. But after Eric showed up it was my personal mission to eradicate this asshole off the face of the Earth and motivated me to play further through the grinding sludge and nevercomming Ann content. So, the role Eric has in this game worked on me perfectly.
I won't be against deepening Eric's content and influence onto the game as it was pretty flat in the original, but in the end he must go. It's not an NTR game and remake shouldn't and wouldn't change it.

I am always confused when people say "It's not an NTR game." What do you think an NTR game is?

I've given up on this game personally, but just wanted to be clear on something.
The base game was 100% a split harem/NTR game. I'm not sure why the push on that. One path was harem, the other was NTR. If people want to argue they don't like NTR and would like it removed, I don't agree with that, but whatever floats your boat, or not, is up to you.

Arguments like this have always smacked of people simply not understanding what NTR even is. It is the same argument as the "MAX IS THE MAIN CHARACTER," point people like to shout to justify NTR hate. My response is, uhh, yeah, that's the point of NTR. The main character is the one being NTR'ed. It would not be NTR if Max was not the main character.

Totally unsure why this is so confusing. I'm guessing, not saying you are, it's just antis who want to justify their stance tbh

 

[dwalsh]

I honestly never even seen a BB game from the Eric PoV. If any existed, must have been a while back or the dev time was very short.

My comment mostly was meant to be taken light-hearted so don't want to dig into too much, but he literally said " Yes. And it's been tried and failed more than once. This may hit a few people in the feelings but a lot Eric supporters don't back up all their words with currency."

This exactly means that he is saying not many people are willing to support it financially. That's fine if that's his opinion, I was just disagreeing.

Not a big deal, but that is 100% what he said. Not sure why the push back on it tbh.

Nah I caught the jest and gist of what you were saying. My correction was directed to the point of I was not speaking about the how many people are Eric fans. I kept my point to financial support in relation to a previous comment about a version where Eric is the protagonist. Your comments was "Speak for yourself, plenty of people like that sort of thing far more than a no-difficulty no logic beta boy harem. To each their own, but Eric was the only thing good about this game to me. ;p" which is another debate that I'm fine with btw. But at best it tethered very weakly to what I said, no pushback, no ill will, just a simple correction.

 

[Nemo56]

I am always confused when people say "It's not an NTR game." What do you think an NTR game is?

The only one I have seen that comes close is "my girlfriend's amnesia" and even that is not ntr in the sense of the words. Some guy sometimes enters at night to have abuse the players girlfriend who can't remember anything from the day before, but only if the player chooses so. The MC does not see, so it's tecnically not ntr.
If you say that it was a 100% split harem/ntr game, who was taken from the mc? I remember that the original BB always had that ntr shadow over it, but it actually never happened. It was the danger that Max would face if he didn't succeed. All I can think of are a few scenes with Alice on war path if the player didn't buy her outfit and lost influence. Is that what you mean? Or what else was there? The abusive pics with Lisa were fan made.

And no, I have never seen a Eric game myself, but I believe it if someone says that there were attempts to make one.

I am actually not sure if there are ANY non ntr games apart maybe from some hentai VNs (if you call VNs games ...). It's a narrative aspect but for it's nature it's very difficult to include it in a game where the player is meant to do something and maybe succeed.

 

[kgirlffx]

Nah I caught the jest and gist of what you were saying. My correction was directed to the point of I was not speaking about the how many people are Eric fans. I kept my point to financial support in relation to a previous comment about a version where Eric is the protagonist. Your comments was "Speak for yourself, plenty of people like that sort of thing far more than a no-difficulty no logic beta boy harem. To each their own, but Eric was the only thing good about this game to me. ;p" which is another debate that I'm fine with btw. But at best it tethered very weakly to what I said, no pushback, no ill will, just a simple correction.

That's fair. And though I don't want to admit it, games based around NTR do get less money than a standard harem. My only rebuttal would be that a game with Eric as the PoV would not be NTR, it would be a corruption/dom game, which people do love ;p

 

[dwalsh]

I've never played thie myself
https://f95zone.to/threads/torrid-affairs-v0-01-noesisandnoema.10838/

Plus there's another one that was recently brought out from abandonment, can't remember the name but I'll look it up.

 

[dwalsh]

That's fair. And though I don't want to admit it, games based around NTR do get less money than a standard harem. My only rebuttal would be that a game with Eric as the PoV would not be NTR, it would be a corruption/dom game, which people do love ;p

I personally think that model is cursed. I've been looking and have not found a completed game with it yet.

 

[kgirlffx]

The only one I have seen that comes close is "my girlfriend's amnesia" and even that is not ntr in the sense of the words. Some guy sometimes enters at night to have abuse the players girlfriend who can't remember anything from the day before, but only if the player chooses so. The MC does not see, so it's tecnically not ntr.
If you say that it was a 100% split harem/ntr game, who was taken from the mc? I remember that the original BB always had that ntr shadow over it, but it actually never happened. It was the danger that Max would face if he didn't succeed. All I can think of are a few scenes with Alice on war path if the player didn't buy her outfit and lost influence. Is that what you mean? Or what else was there? The abusive pics with Lisa were fan made.

And no, I have never seen a Eric game myself, but I believe it if someone says that there were attempts to make one.

I am actually not sure if there are ANY non ntr games apart maybe from some hentai VNs (if you call VNs games ...). It's a narrative aspect but for it's nature it's very difficult to include it in a game where the player is meant to do something and maybe succeed.

I think it is fair to say that the NTR in the original was never fully developed. I think it was there though, and you could say the original was an NTR/Harem split route game.

SO much of NTR is the build. The slow corruption. It just never panned out. The competitive character of Eric alone made it NTR. A game set up with a stereotypically more alpha figure plotting and planning to take all the women the MC wants. And, to some degree, winning. That's NTR.

But, on reflection, on some level, I guess you could argue it was never really an NTR game since that plot line was never taken to its payoff. But, I think it was intended to at first, the concept was present, I mean, hell, that's what drew me to it in the first place.

On the other hand, that's kind of mixing causations. NTR was planned, people pushed against NTR, NTR dropped, so never NTR. See what I mean? The push against NTR is what killed NTR, so to use that NTR never panned out to say it was never NTR is a bit circular.

 

[dwalsh]

This one
https://f95zone.to/threads/ways-of-life-v0-85-ralx-games-productions.11530/

 

[kgirlffx]

I personally think that model is cursed. I've been looking and have not found a completed game with it yet.

A bit yeah. I think a lot of NTR games are by first-time devs who are doing it because they want to see NTR. Which is great motivation, but I think it ends up being more than they can chew. Not to mention, money can make a struggling dev push through that learning curve, and NTR games bring less of it.

I'm actually trying to make one now with a NTR path and a Harem path. It is a lot of work. I have tons I want to do, but being real, I know for a first game I need to make it as barebones as possible or else it probably will get too complex. I think a lot of devs shoot too high that first time.

Thanks for digging those links up. For me personally, I now do recall seeing them. I passed because I kind of low-key hate the Max model lol

 

[dwalsh]

A bit yeah. I think a lot of NTR games are by first-time devs who are doing it because they want to see NTR. Which is great motivation, but I think it ends up being more than they can chew. Not to mention, money can make a struggling dev push through that learning curve, and NTR games bring less of it.

I'm actually trying to make one now with a NTR path and a Harem path. It is a lot of work. I have tons I want to do, but being real, I know for a first game I need to make it as barebones as possible or else it probably will get too complex. I think a lot of devs shoot too high that first time.

Thanks for digging those links up. For me personally, I now do recall seeing them. I passed because I kind of low-key hate the Max model lol

Try Demon Boy I'm a patron of that dev too. Not playing the NTR route but I hear it's going good.

 

[dwalsh]

A bit yeah. I think a lot of NTR games are by first-time devs who are doing it because they want to see NTR. Which is great motivation, but I think it ends up being more than they can chew. Not to mention, money can make a struggling dev push through that learning curve, and NTR games bring less of it.

I'm actually trying to make one now with a NTR path and a Harem path. It is a lot of work. I have tons I want to do, but being real, I know for a first game I need to make it as barebones as possible or else it probably will get too complex. I think a lot of devs shoot too high that first time.

Thanks for digging those links up. For me personally, I now do recall seeing them. I passed because I kind of low-key hate the Max model lol

I've had an Epic mystical world vn on my hands for two years now and still on the opening scene. That's why I don't knock devs.

 

[Nemo56]

[...] That's NTR.

Actually no, what you described is just a threat and motivational story plot, but for ntr it actually needs to happen. If you just threaten to murder someone, it's not murder. But I see where you are going.

I never cared much for Eric. He is a good plot device to get things rolling, but nothing more than that. If he was a more interesting character, his plots might have been worth something.
Once I tried the friendship path and it was boring as hell (well, except for all the neutral elements in which he plays no role in, these are identical on all paths). The only good path was the one where he would actually be a threat. But also that got old at some point and I got him kicked out. Since them I don't care to see anything of that char again. Good thing is that in BIBOAS you hardly notice him if you don't want to except for the scenes where you need to take a photo of him (or kick him out).

Btw, I now also played the Max' plot of Glamour and it was ok, just that constant control/submission/domination/punishment was really really annoying. I prefer better plots with a more natural progression. What saved it, was that massive self irony, with chars being fully aware that the whole situation is nuts.

 

[dwalsh]

Actually no, what you described is just a threat and motivational story plot, but for ntr it actually needs to happen. If you just threaten to murder someone, it's not murder. But I see where you are going.

I never cared much for Eric. He is a good plot device to get things rolling, but nothing more than that. If he was a more interesting character, his plots might have been worth something.
Once I tried the friendship path and it was boring as hell (well, except for all the neutral elements in which he plays no role in, these are identical on all paths). The only good path was the one where he would actually be a threat. But also that got old at some point and I got him kicked out. Since them I don't care to see anything of that char again. Good thing is that in BIBOAS you hardly notice him if you don't want to except for the scenes where you need to take a photo of him (or kick him out).

Btw, I now also played the Max' plot of Glamour and it was ok, just that constant control/submission/domination/punishment was really really annoying. I prefer better plots with a more natural progression. What saved it, was that massive self irony, with chars being fully aware that the whole situation is nuts.

that's universal with Big Brother games. And funny enough the plot starts at the beginning each and dies quickly. Where is his father, how could he afford this house, why is there a camera in the living, what is he doing now, why did he all of a sudden give them this house?

 

[dwalsh]

To me Eric only distracts you from realizing that there is pretty much no storyline being followed. On the war path he's gone so let's see what's Aleksey comes up with.

 

[kgirlffx]

Actually no, what you described is just a threat and motivational story plot, but for ntr it actually needs to happen. If you just threaten to murder someone, it's not murder. But I see where you are going.

I never cared much for Eric. He is a good plot device to get things rolling, but nothing more than that. If he was a more interesting character, his plots might have been worth something.
Once I tried the friendship path and it was boring as hell (well, except for all the neutral elements in which he plays no role in, these are identical on all paths). The only good path was the one where he would actually be a threat. But also that got old at some point and I got him kicked out. Since them I don't care to see anything of that char again. Good thing is that in BIBOAS you hardly notice him if you don't want to except for the scenes where you need to take a photo of him (or kick him out).

Btw, I now also played the Max' plot of Glamour and it was ok, just that constant control/submission/domination/punishment was really really annoying. I prefer better plots with a more natural progression. What saved it, was that massive self irony, with chars being fully aware that the whole situation is nuts.

Sure, but by that same logic, if you played a Sherlock Holmes-style mystery game following clues and piecing together a puzzle, for the dev cut the mystery before it is solved and pivot to something different, was the game never a mystery game in the first place or was it just never fulfilled because the dev changed his mind?

Similar to NTR, if you play a game with all the building elements of NTR, to have said NTR vanish before completion, it is still an NTR game, just one that never pans out.

This is a matter of semantics though to a degree.

Personality-wise I felt Eric was very weak, non-existent. I only liked his presence for the NTR element. Def think he was not a full realized character at all.

 

[foible]

SO much of NTR is the build. The slow corruption. It just never panned out. The competitive character of Eric alone made it NTR. A game set up with a stereotypically more alpha figure plotting and planning to take all the women the MC wants. And, to some degree, winning. That's NTR.

Netorare LITERALLY means “cuckoldry”. So, where is the cuckoldry? When Eric shows up, not one of the girls is your lover. Not a one. The game was meant to have two paths. Get rid of Eric before he garners too much influence, or be the submissive voyeur of his harem that gets sloppy seconds on the occasion that he feels like sharing.

OG “friend” path likely would have resulted in one of two endings. Either Max eventually gets shipped to military school anyway or Eric makes him leave of his volition by humiliating him with things like making Max eat the girls out after he creampies them or forcing him to let the girls peg him or some shit.

Without a mob-style option where Eric actually disappears/dies, eliminating his influence over Ann is tough. I saw some mention of the full-blown porn-making route, but it’s not necessary. Kira’s already a pornstar, Alice is doing the webcam stuff. Ann is clearly a bit a wild/exhibitionist kind of girl, it’s just been bottled up and tucked away what for raising three kids and being a responsible adult. Assuredly, once Eric is gone it shouldn’t be too difficult for Kira and Alice to help convince Ann to start her own webcam show and quit working for Eric, thereby removing the last vestige of control he has over the family. Thus providing opportunity for other antagonists in the story.

 

[foible]

This one
https://f95zone.to/threads/ways-of-life-v0-85-ralx-games-productions.11530/

Blech! That shit is garbage. Even if you disregard the suspicions that there’s some shady malware/keylogger-style shit going on, it takes ten days play ten minutes of content for all the lag on transitions and actions. It’s excruciating!

 

[dwalsh]

Blech! That shit is garbage. Even if you disregard the suspicions that there’s some shady malware/keylogger-style shit going on, it takes ten days play ten minutes of content for all the lag on transitions and actions. It’s excruciating!

Gracias amigo, kgirlffx disregard this one please.