For 2, I think it was more that she was drunk. When she drinks, she seems to forget what happens. My take was that she forgot about what she did with Max, and could easily have forgotten anything that happened with Eric.Now this I remember very well. Alice tells Max when asked, that nothing happened.
This can be taken two ways...
1: Nothing happened.
2: Something did happen, but Alice refuses to acknowledge it just like with Max in the Bathroom before Kira's arrival.
With Lisa, we don't see what happens. I found some dialog in one of the files posted elsewhere where she says that she's okay because their mom is there, but that she feels ashamed. Again, this can be taken a lot of ways. Lisa could see having sex with Eric as no big deal if it was part of sex ed, or just be downplaying it for Max. She kind of has a strange lack of emotion in a lot of her actions. It's like she goes instant submissive when anyone tries to push her into something, although she's more resistant to Max.
In both cases, it's the lack of certainty that's a killer for people on either side of the fence with the not-quite-NTR stuff. It's maddening to those who hate that kind of thing to know it could be going on, and frustrating to those who want that kind of thing because there's no proof.