VN Ren'Py Blood of the Dragon [v0.2.1] [Twin Axe Games]

[stahlblau]

It looks like it will be one of my favorites if it is not abandoned. at least for now.

 

[OhGodNotAgain]

Agreed, and since apparently, she's the only sex scene then it seems like I made the right call on holding off on this one. There are so many other ways her model could have been used. Just having her work as a tavern girl and be into the Mc and then they have sex because they like each other, you know, like any other couple of people who want to have a relationship, but it's a shame

It is the first release though so maybe the TwinAxeGames can make some changes and make her a love interest and not a whore and scrap the whole side stuff of hooking up with whores for powerups and instead just have him bang his other girls more often for power ups.

Blame the people who feel that there needs to be sex in the first release serious devs need to ignore that shit. Those fucking people can go watch porn for their fix.

 

[Deleted member 1919]

Ya love the intro, down for whatever the Dev wants to throw at in here, having optional content is very good and lets any player choose what they like and whatnot

 

[YogSothoth1982]

I don't see the point in including turn-based combat in a VN. Generally including this type of thing means improving a character and generally to do this it's necessary to be able to do quests, combats, etc that are beyond of the main story (like exploring a dungeon and start combats to win more points to be able to improve your character). A VN doesn't give the freedom to recover lost points, so it's possible that depending on the player's choices, there will come a point where there is no real possibility of winning a fight, which would force the player to load a previous game or to start the game again.

 

[Tyrranus]

There will be a threshold for certain characters. Depending on how many times you cum in certain characters will determine if they get pregnant. Potency is "Magical Potency" and plays a story driven role in several aspects which will be revealed later in the game in addition to how quickly the player can get the other characters pregnant.

noted, never creampie anyone so the barf content never happens. Annoying but understandable

 

[S1nsational]

So long as girls getting pregnant isn't a punishment mechanic everyone who can get pregnant will get pregnant.
There are far too few harem games with pregnancy

 

[Sneak Monkey]

If you play the game you will see that the answer "no thanks" is to the question:

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And the worst part is that theoretically the MC needs sex to increase his power, which, together with the fact that the game is not a sandbox or a pure RPG, leads you to wonder if you are going to need those scenes with prostitutes to be able to win the turn-based combats.

Not to mention that she literally just talked about getting crabs from Geralt standing next to you before asking if you want a discount on the sex. I have never been more put off in my life. This needs changing or the game is a write off

 

[YogSothoth1982]

Not to mention that she literally just talked about getting crabs from Geralt standing next to you before asking if you want a discount on the sex. I have never been more put off in my life. This needs changing or the game is a write off

Well, it's not like the fact that the MC's teacher hired the prostitute's services matters to me. It would have bothered me if it was the MC who had done it, but since that is not the case, what one or more other guys do with the prostitute isn't going to change my position. Possibly ratify it, but not change it. Well, yes, you know that he has hired her services, but also many others that you know nothing about, the truth is that personally knowing one of her clients isn't the reason to reject her. The reason is that she is a hooker, knowing the name of one of her clients is only a unpleasant coincidence.

The good thing is that we can reject her. The bad thing is that I'm not sure how doing the same thing (reject to have sex with a girl) too many times will affect the turn-based combat. As I have already mentioned before, it's possible that it will result in the inability to win some of the game's battles and therefore force us to restart the game or load a previous game: A VN doesn't give the option to gain points, sometimes previouly lost, by using quests, combats or other methods.

 

[AgnorWolf]

Well, it's not like the fact that the MC's teacher hired the prostitute's services matters to me. It would have bothered me if it was the MC who had done it, but since that is not the case, what one or more other guys do with the prostitute isn't going to change my position. Possibly ratify it, but not change it. Well, yes, you know that he has hired her services, but also many others that you know nothing about, the truth is that personally knowing one of her clients isn't the reason to reject her. The reason is that she is a hooker, knowing the name of one of her clients is only a unpleasant coincidence.

The good thing is that we can reject her. The bad thing is that I'm not sure how doing the same thing (reject to have sex with a girl) too many times will affect the turn-based combat. As I have already mentioned before, it's possible that it will result in the inability to win some of the game's battles and therefore force us to restart the game or load a previous game: A VN doesn't give the option to gain points, sometimes previouly lost, by using quests, combats or other methods.

I don't think its going to make that much difference to be honest and I would be surprised if its not accounted for that not everyone is going to want all the lis never mind the brothel stuff. Hell you can just install urm set your str to 1000 and cheese all the encounters if your that worried. I would personally like an auto win button as mechanics like that just don't interest me.

I will say that the brothel stuff and the way its described and talked about does seem really out of place in what is clearly a harem game. Seems like a weird direction to go in , harem fans are generally never interested in that content prolly seems a waste of time " to sample Threcia's famed brothels" as the dev put it... its just a odd choice of content in a harem game and I cant see it being overly popular, id rather have an extra scene with an li every update that have sex with whores but who knows its still early doors.

 

[slick97]

These games are works in progress, people give feedback and it is up to the dev if he listens or not, if it is so important for MC to fuck disgusting prostitutes then by all means, she should keep it. Maybe he is planning a "looking for HIV/Chlamydia cure" quest in future updates.

I never thought adding an element of immersion would've been this polarizing, but apparently it is...

As for the feedback aspect: the primary issue is that most of what's being offered is redundant considering the whole scene is avoidable, and it doesn't seem to impact the story aside from offering 2 attribute points for each of the 4 attributes. There doesn't seem to be any indication that forgoing these points will negatively impact the story or the player's progress.

But if it isn't, then maybe he could just make them random hook ups, dont see why it is so crucial that they're whores, most people are not excited to get with those kind of characters for obvious reasons.

This ties into the previous section:
The author seems to be striving for a specific setting - which includes depicting brothels. Just like CPR purposely depicted brothels in the manner that they did in Witcher 3, the devs here are doing the same.



Personally, this topic isn't adding anything constructive to the overall discussion. If a brothel scene is causing this much disappointment, then I highly doubt they're the intended audience.

 

[Sneak Monkey]

Well, it's not like the fact that the MC's teacher hired the prostitute's services matters to me. It would have bothered me if it was the MC who had done it, but since that is not the case, what one or more other guys do with the prostitute isn't going to change my position. Possibly ratify it, but not change it. Well, yes, you know that he has hired her services, but also many others that you know nothing about, the truth is that personally knowing one of her clients isn't the reason to reject her. The reason is that she is a hooker, knowing the name of one of her clients is only a unpleasant coincidence.

The good thing is that we can reject her. The bad thing is that I'm not sure how doing the same thing (reject to have sex with a girl) too many times will affect the turn-based combat. As I have already mentioned before, it's possible that it will result in the inability to win some of the game's battles and therefore force us to restart the game or load a previous game: A VN doesn't give the option to gain points, sometimes previouly lost, by using quests, combats or other methods.

The crabs matters to me, but yeah the personal involvement does matter too, each to their own.

Having a system like that and including choices is just a false pretense, you have to pick it so no real choice, terrible design

 

[JoeTheMC84]

I never thought adding an element of immersion would've been this polarizing, but apparently it is...

As for the feedback aspect: the primary issue is that most of what's being offered is redundant considering the whole scene is avoidable, and it doesn't seem to impact the story aside from offering 2 attribute points for each of the 4 attributes. There doesn't seem to be any indication that forgoing these points will negatively impact the story or the player's progress.


This ties into the previous section:
The author seems to be striving for a specific setting - which includes depicting brothels. Just like CPR purposely depicted brothels in the manner that they did in Witcher 3, the devs here are doing the same.



Personally, this topic isn't adding anything constructive to the overall discussion. If a brothel scene is causing this much disappointment, then I highly doubt they're the intended audience.

It is true that we don't have all the information, but the dev has indicated that not only will the elf girl that is already there be coming back but there are many more scenes with whores planned. The dev has said this will be a harem, and one without lesbians, the audience that he seems to want to court are the ones saying they don't enjoy the whore content and will pass it. And if it so irrelevant that it can be skipped entirely and not have an impact on the story then that begs the question... why is it there at all?

You might say because it is part of the theme, as you did, pointing to the Witcher. One difference is that in the Witcher we are playing Geralt, here we are playing a custom Mc. Geralt was jaded, every women he truly loved or cared for had either died or left him, or had other things get in the way, so he found some small comfort in the arms of whores, in part because he was a broken man in many ways. But even there it was a small part of the content, and there were far more scenes with other woman who are with him because they like him and even love him. the Mc is a young man with many prospects, so why is he going to brothels? Why isn't he spending more time with a girl he is courting and actually using his status as a bachelor to work towards a woman that is worthy of his station. He isn't an old man or a broken man with no other options, is he? Is he so horny that he just needs relief, do his powers build up and become painful if he can't bang someone and so he turns to whores because he just can't hold out? Clearly not since he can skip them completely and it might never have any impact on the story... so again, why have it?

For early sex scenes then? Again, there are other ways that would please everyone and not draw any negative feedback.

As far as historical accuracy with a medieval time period, this is something that I know a bit about from almost 20 years of studying history and human nature. Brothels were far less common than they are depicted in media. A big city might have one or two, a midsize city might have one. Small towns wouldn't have one at all you would need to travel to one. It wasn't until the industrial revolution (or Victorian era) that the brothel as often envisioned came about and even there it wasn't all Moulin Rouge and Old West Town style, it was still relegated to larger cities. Taverns and brothels were separate things, and while some tavern girls might have some customers that they got on with and even entertained on the side, it wasn't common and they were decidedly not whores open for anyone with coin, they were often either the wife or daughter of the tavern owner and if they weren't married they would be interested in finding a husband, not banging random strangers.

I also happen to think there has been several people offering constructive feedback. And again, that if the intended audience is harem fans, then them voicing their opinion should count a little more than all the people who would be happy either way. It might be true that the average player would be happy either way, that some 60% will play the game regardless. But that other 40% is often where the split is and courting one often cuts out the other, so hearing from the one you might want of the two to get as close to a 100% of the fan base as possible is never a bad thing.

EDIT: One of the great things about Ren'Py is how easy it is to change dialog. The visuals could probably all be kept exactly the same, but the dialog changed with little effort.

 

[Surmikas]

I never thought adding an element of immersion would've been this polarizing, but apparently it is...

That "element of immersion" conflicts with the supposed harem and makes one wonder how many of these scenes there will be and if they will take precedence over the LIs.

Personally, this topic isn't adding anything constructive to the overall discussion. If a brothel scene is causing this much disappointment, then I highly doubt they're the intended audience.

I didn't know that the target audience was for those who like prostitutes and not for the harem. The more you know.

 

[Chrisdarock19]

This first release is a solid effort, and just like an interesting TV show pilot, even though TwinAxeGames has clearly taken time to plot out how/where they would like the story to go, there may be some ideas from the recent back and forth discussions that they will reflect on and consider.

Let's at least give them a chance to tell a bit more of their story first. Wishing the dev good luck and look forward to future updates.

 

[Havenless_]

Yea, I know there are successful harem games that include prostitution and/or brothels. But...

I don't find any sense in having scenes with prostitutes in a harem game. You're supposed to have X number of women (love interests) at your disposal. Why add sex with prostitutes?

To have early sex scenes? Because it fits the theme? Whatever. I don't care. Just to be clear, I don't mean this in a bad way. I reeeeeeeeeeally enjoyed the game and I'm continuing to play it tho. Prostitution or not. I think there is lots and lots of potential here. I'd certainly prefer if those kinds of scenes didn't exist. But, well, if it is optional (and does not involve love interests) and the developer wants to keep them, well, that's okay too, personally.

But, yeah. Sex with prostitutes in a harem game seems ridiculous to me.

 

[slick97]

Since a lot of people seem to be opposed to the brothel scene, follow the spoiler to find out where you can give your feedback to the devs:

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[Alexeinya112]

Just finished the first release, this was very good. Will be watching!

 

[Vortex@]

Let me be clear on the whole lesbians and bisexual thing. When asked about lesbians I meant literal lesbians not bisexuals. There will be group sex in the game so there will be girls participating in MFF+ scenes.

Also the prostitution tag is just there to show the MC will have the option to have some fun at brothels. He won't pimp out the girls or anything like that. And that content will be completely optional.

they don't have to be gay to be in a 3 some. They can please the mc, and mc can please them, all without any lesbian content. Are we going to be able to control the gay content between the females during the 3 some? 2 bisexual women fooling around is still doing lesbian/gay acts. Previous comment was no lesbian, which means no go girl on girl. The tag for girl on girl is lesbian. So if you are going to have any girl on girl that we can't avoid, it is lesbian. No trying to slip through the cracks with the bisexual excuse

Will it be optional to have mc please the 2 women, and they please him, without the lez content? Thank you and have a great day

 

[MidnightKing]

Dev is really getting their game developer wings early with all these age old harem game debates/arguments. The mark of a game with promise really. Enjoyed this a lot so far, looking forward to more

 

[Beast Within]

As for the feedback aspect: the primary issue is that most of what's being offered is redundant considering the whole scene is avoidable, and it doesn't seem to impact the story aside from offering 2 attribute points for each of the 4 attributes. There doesn't seem to be any indication that forgoing these points will negatively impact the story or the player's progress.

havent played the game yet cause I am currently finishing My Dorm, and will propably put this on the back burner until the whole group sex bisexuality bullshit is made clear if it will be treated like other well known titles like Grandmas House, My Dorm, Between Humanity or will be mandatory to satisfy the "we eat anything that is served" crowd

but I have a question concearning this.

if the scene is giving you points into your atributes, doesnt that mean that it is essential? I mean if you get 2 points in 4 stats it should make a difference unless the points are just cosmetic.
doesnt that make the choise of avoiding the scene ( refuse the sex with the prostitude) a wrong choise?
I mean as far as I can understand, 2 points in your stats is far better than zero, especially if they make a difference in combat, which means that you get "punished" for not fucking the whore. and since dev said that brothels and whores will be a constant in his game, it seems ( to me at least) that it is placed there for easy point farming to make your character stronger. which means that it kinda is a bogus choise unless you "cheat" the points.

I hope I made some sence.

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