slow down on him,but shooting him lolI'm curious enough about the game and not really squeamish about things, so I'm just going to wait and see what the dev does. It's an interesting enough game for me to warrant that.
Devs used to be able to request for putting possible future tags and detail over what is avoidable in the Genre on the first post. Not sure if that's still the case.
But he'd need to settle on what he wants for that.
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Yeah, as I said, the game itself makes it quite transparent that the girls won't stop sleeping around when they get into a relationship with the MC I don't think the game as it is now deserves the NTR tag that it currently has, but it probably will deserve it later in the update cycle.
What really irks me is that the dev is present in the thread, he's reacting to posts, DMing people who are talking in the thread, and is obviously reading, my question is why he isn't talking in the thread, if he thinks he's going to be attacked, insulted, or anything else if he shows back up, he won't, the only thing we really want is answers, mostly about if we are misinterpreting The direction the game is going in.
The dev says there won't be NTR, but might be swinging, the game seems to makes it clear that the girls won't stop having sex with everybody else if they get with the MC, all we want is the dev to say "yes, the girls will stop having sex with others once they get with the MC", "No, the girls will still sleep around when they get with the MC", "You get the choice to let them sleep with others or not" or "they still sleep around, but you can choose to not see it"
Also if the swinging will be a choice, it would be nice to get a small choice of "I don't want to see this" or "I want to see this" whenever we get a sex scene that another man and a LI are in, before the LI gets with the MC.
When the "vast majority" talks how it's unacceptable for them that women in the game have sex with someone other than MC (or that they don't want to see/hear about any of it) no matter if it's in the present or in the past, without any apparent leeway in this matter, that's the logical conclusion. That "vast majority" at the very least wants to believe that these women don't have, nor had, any sex at all before their MC. They'd have to be virgins for that to be true.
It's simply disingenuous to act like that's not the intention behind it.
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i'm pretty sure their issue is the fact that they have to watch it happen and/or listen to them yap about it.
if some anonymous person emailed you a video of seven black dudes running a train on your wife back in her college days, you'd prolly be sick to your stomach for months to come. you would invalidate your feelings, telling yourself that "it's all in the past" and that "it happened before you even met" and you'd question what authority you have to feel frustrated in the first place, but you're not gonna be ok after seeing that.
this is a game, so it's really never that serious, but it certainly doesn't help and i don't think anybody should be surprised by that. many of us don't like these ladies and many of us really don't want to either. reason being, even if you set aside their history of hedonism, and take the character in for who they are, you find nothing there.
they aren't characters with a massive sexual history, the entirety of their character is "a massive sexual history". that's just not good enough broski idk what to tell you.
there's a certain game on this site that depicts a certain purple-haired succubus that clearly has quite a bit of sexual experience. by virtue of her nature, she is a sexual creature. now what if i told you the game that she's in is a harem game? oh but wait, there's more- she's also the poster girl of said harem game. if all harem fans/ntr haters need every single li to be virgin, how could that be possible?
good writing.
you get personality, uniqueness, wit, charm and initiative from her that sets her apart. she is a sly, clever, well read and tasteful seductress that makes you feel like the only man in the world. you've gotta be able to work a pen with some typa finesse to see similar results.
You make a mistake here, presuming your feelings about this matter are universal. The scenario you describe doesn't evoke any frustration in me, much less "feeling sick to my stomach for months to come".
(if anything, the dramatic JUST THINK, SEVEN BLACK DUDES, MY MAN! is a little snicker-worthy because really, you're cranking it way past 11 there)
But leaving this aside, it doesn't really counter in any way what i've said -- people who complain about "having to watch it happen" want to pretend to themselves that the person they have interest in didn't have sex in the past, because the very idea of them having sex with someone else is apparently making them feel sick to their stomach, frustrated and not okay. That's the actual problem with "seeing them have sex" -- it makes it impossible to pretend that person haven't had sex with anyone else, and shield themselves from those negative feelings.
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universal? no. normalized? yes.
we're not about to act as though the vast majority of the population of the world wouldn't be very upset to see something like that. pointless argument to make.
your argument is a non-sequitur, and it seems that you just aren't ready to see that. i don't think that people who don't want to see/hear about their partner's sexual past want to "pretend they're a virgin". considering the fact that most people lose their virginity before they even reach adulthood, i'm sure most of the well adjusted members of society approach every prospective relationship with the assumption that "this person has had sex at least a handful of times before". you've just presented me with a very "chronically online" perspective on how people think.
that said, half of my comment was a critique on the writing that you conveniently ignored, only to continue to make leaps in logic like-
the mental gymnastics and semantics you had to string together to even make this coherent is hilarious. you've gotta give it a rest man. you've gotten to the point that you're denying an objective reality to try to make an argument.
no bro. generally speaking, people don't like seeing/hearing about their partner being fucked.
this is not new information. this is not strange behavior. and this does not mean that these people live in a world of delusion where they desperately cling to the idea that their lover was a virgin before them. come back to reality man
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This is the truth, I personally have zero issue with women being sluts in game, granted they stop sleeping around after they get with the MC, so that already shoots down the argument of "you reject any woman who hasn't been groomed by birth to save their virginities for you, you evil puritan!!!!!" Furthermore I think a past slut can be a great asset for a harem bringing not only experience but also quite a lot of fun, my two main issues with this game are that the dev is giving mixed signals about the direction the game is going(first there is going to be potential NTR and swinging, and then there won't, and then we get the dev DMing someone that there might be swinging instead of saying it in the thread) and that EVERY girl is a slut, without a single regular woman existing as a potential LI, (I'm not speaking about virgins, though it would be nice, just a regular woman who doesn't hop on the dick of every single person they meet, regardless of if they are Adonis reborn or a fat ugly bastard hobo who hasn't taken a shower in 5 years) causing not only all of the girls to feel a bit empty, but also feel quite similar, granted we haven't really seen enough of them to know them better, but the point still stands. Literally all the dev would need to do is to come to the thread and speak to us. Just a simple "Yes the girls still sleep around" or "No, once they get with the MC, they stop sleeping around" would go such an incredibly long way in repairing what has happened to the thread.
Its sad because genuinely the worldbuilding and setting feel like something I would enjoy, but this is a porn game first, and if the porn part of the game is not something that appeals to me, then I can't be able to enjoy the game's world anyways.
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Man it seems like one shit harem like god-damn every Li is a fucking dumpster fire that's been entered more times than the Eurotunnel. No idea why Devs think having whores as Li is a good idea. lol
What's pointless is the appeal to majority you're invoking here. That theoretical majority of the population of the world also thinks that porn games are aberration, wouldn't touch them with a stick and will readily brand you a sick creep for playing them. They are not the target audience.
People who do play these games, their tastes and opinions can be quite different. Do not presume you're somehow a majority here. Or you'll find yourself surprised by the number of people around you who not only don't get repulsed by that scenario you've devised as example of major horror, but to them it's instead a major turn on.
My argument simply lays out in plain view the desire that's the basis for why those people don't want to hear about their partner's sexual past. The thought of their partner being with someone else sexually makes them uncomfortable and they'd prefer to pretend to themselves it's never happened. Wanting the target of their affections to be a virgin is logical extension of it, because it guarantees that no sexual contact has happened.
Most of the well-adjusted members of society aren't here and don't play porn games, much less complain about whether fictional character has sex with someone other than MC, and how that renders such characters irredeemable whores or whathaveyou.
Yes, because you're in the middle of environment for "chronically online" folks who are losing their minds over seeing a pixel penis go into a pixel vagina. Like it or not, you're making arguments about "the way well-adjusted folks thinks" except the people you're attributing this way of thinking to... aren't.
The reality, "man" is that the bunch of folks here are people who do live in a world of delusion. They're the ones who are screaming here the loudest how they can't have their harem the way they like it, and you're only making yourself looks silly playing an advocate for them who thinks their clients are well-adjusted members of society.
If you're only doing it because you don't like the idea of being tarred with the same brush as these wackos... well, too bad. You sleep with the dogs, you gonna wake up with flies.
form last DM i got form him,he have no intention to make any declaration here.He read most the post,but focusing on the next update
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He doesn't need to make any grand declaration or profess his desires to the gods or anything, literally just "yes they will still fuck around" or "No they wont" is all he needs to do, that would be it, this discussion would be over, and the argument would stop. If you actually have contact with him, please tell him that we don't hate him or his game, and we're not trying to force him to conform to our opinions, all we want is him to talk to us.
Yhea that is what he told me as well, though i think it might help if dev better clarified some things about these mixed signals to help clear up some confusion. Also wondering about that 3 letter word tag cause based on convo i had with the_man_with_no_name on tag definitions we probably should not have it. I am going to see were all this goes in the next release.
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only decent vamp game i played was "rebirth" but that even went downhill LMAO.
This type of genre is cooked.
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Yeah as it is currently the game shouldn't have the NTR tagYhea that is what he told me as well, though i think it might help if dev better clarified some things about these mixed signals to help clear up some confusion. Also wondering about that 3 letter word tag cause based on convo i had with the_man_with_no_name on tag definitions we probably should not have it. I am going to see were all this goes in the next release.
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Aaaaaaand this is where I gotta pause the lurking to swerve into the lane to say.
Not wanting to hear or see someone's past experiences. Does not mean you're doing it to think they are a virgin. Like what in the fuckity fuck logic is we working with. Where we twisting the basic concept of not wanting to voyeur something? Details that are out of sight out of mind, is not didn't happen.
Like if I'm playing a game with incest and trying to dick moms down. It's beyond obvious that she would've had to have sex with the dad. To therefore have me, setting me on my merry little way, to later fuck the family tree up. That inherent knowledge of her non virgin status. Doesn't magically mean I now want to see visions of the past and/or present. Of the dad bending her over like a pretzel.
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ending fell flat on its face and came right out tha left field
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Found this game the day before yesterday and I finally got to try it out.
So far, I quite like what I'm seeing.
The whole even born vampires start off as mortals and when they come of age is turned by a ritual is something which I haven't seen before, so it was interesting.
World filled with vampire politics, backstabbing & betrayals, enemy of yesterday becoming ally of today (or vice versa) with unpredictable landscape in the rule. I can see a lot of potential if the world-building is continued to build upon with solid foundations.
As for the LIs, so far I'd say Chloe is my favorite; her ambition not to mention the playful back & forth banter with the MC I think was the best out of banters from all LIs so far in this Alpha update.
Having said that, I do hope that the other LIs step up also in terms of their dialogue to keep their characters interesting - giving Chloe some healthy competition.
One thing I noticed was that dev spent considerable time building of the lore - all that Codex section I could see significant amount of lore sections as well as the Family trees.
As someone who likes lore stuff, this was great to see.
Some stuff I'd like to mention/ask to the dev BaconLake :
1) This one is more of a question than anything - what exactly are the weaknesses of vampires in this game?
Fire is mentioned as one element which can destroy them, but what about the following? Do they have any impact on vamps here?
- Sunlight
- Crosses
- Stake through the heart
- Garlic
- Silver
Though garlic is more or less seen as repellent more than destroying vamps, and silver weakness isn't consistent throughout different vampire stories.
Not sure what your stance is in all the above.
Is it more traditional or quite different?
2) With the LIs, while they look good it left me scratching my head a bit as to why almost every single one of them had piercings (except the mother).
I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying a character is necessarily bad just cause she has piercings.
But when almost every LI seems to have a piercing somewhere (nose/tongue/lip/eyebrow/navel) I think that's overdoing it & characters lose their uniqueness with that aspect.
Perhaps it's just me, but I would have just preferred having piercings to 1 or 2 LIs instead of almost every single one of them having them.
3) With the stats, most seem self explanatory.
Though what is the Respect stat supposed to represent?
Is that supposed to be how much the LI is willing to support MC as one of Vampire Society's leaders (e.g. if there is an opposing vamp leader, then the LI with higher respect points will support MC rather than the opponent?) - making it a factor in the vampire politics game?
Otherwise, I'm not sure how one would be able to differentiate it from Love stats.
4) After finishing Alpha, it seems some of the images in the gallery are left unlocked; images 1, 8, 9, 10.
How do I unlock those?
So all in all, a lot of potential I see. And I hope this builds up to something great.
Cause sadly not many great vampire games existing in AVN-sphere nowadays, and we sure could use one.
So far, I quite like what I'm seeing.
The whole even born vampires start off as mortals and when they come of age is turned by a ritual is something which I haven't seen before, so it was interesting.
World filled with vampire politics, backstabbing & betrayals, enemy of yesterday becoming ally of today (or vice versa) with unpredictable landscape in the rule. I can see a lot of potential if the world-building is continued to build upon with solid foundations.
As for the LIs, so far I'd say Chloe is my favorite; her ambition not to mention the playful back & forth banter with the MC I think was the best out of banters from all LIs so far in this Alpha update.
Having said that, I do hope that the other LIs step up also in terms of their dialogue to keep their characters interesting - giving Chloe some healthy competition.
One thing I noticed was that dev spent considerable time building of the lore - all that Codex section I could see significant amount of lore sections as well as the Family trees.
As someone who likes lore stuff, this was great to see.
Some stuff I'd like to mention/ask to the dev BaconLake :
1) This one is more of a question than anything - what exactly are the weaknesses of vampires in this game?
Fire is mentioned as one element which can destroy them, but what about the following? Do they have any impact on vamps here?
- Sunlight
- Crosses
- Stake through the heart
- Garlic
- Silver
Though garlic is more or less seen as repellent more than destroying vamps, and silver weakness isn't consistent throughout different vampire stories.
Not sure what your stance is in all the above.
Is it more traditional or quite different?
2) With the LIs, while they look good it left me scratching my head a bit as to why almost every single one of them had piercings (except the mother).
I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying a character is necessarily bad just cause she has piercings.
But when almost every LI seems to have a piercing somewhere (nose/tongue/lip/eyebrow/navel) I think that's overdoing it & characters lose their uniqueness with that aspect.
Perhaps it's just me, but I would have just preferred having piercings to 1 or 2 LIs instead of almost every single one of them having them.
3) With the stats, most seem self explanatory.
Though what is the Respect stat supposed to represent?
Is that supposed to be how much the LI is willing to support MC as one of Vampire Society's leaders (e.g. if there is an opposing vamp leader, then the LI with higher respect points will support MC rather than the opponent?) - making it a factor in the vampire politics game?
Otherwise, I'm not sure how one would be able to differentiate it from Love stats.
4) After finishing Alpha, it seems some of the images in the gallery are left unlocked; images 1, 8, 9, 10.
How do I unlock those?
So all in all, a lot of potential I see. And I hope this builds up to something great.
Cause sadly not many great vampire games existing in AVN-sphere nowadays, and we sure could use one.
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I would like to add something!
I enjoy it, not knowing what will happen! I'd like to read a book and be surprised and the same for VNs!
Having a hot story is more important then this or that tag. I don't like some things and like others, but a good story is more important. And having the same boring stories does not help.
Please dev, do what you like. Games can be successful in any genre and we are able to show you a game for every kink. So do what you can do best and we will enjoy it. Not everybody, ofc and maybe I don't like it.
But those Vampires are hot! So looking forward to the updates.
I enjoy it, not knowing what will happen! I'd like to read a book and be surprised and the same for VNs!
Having a hot story is more important then this or that tag. I don't like some things and like others, but a good story is more important. And having the same boring stories does not help.
Please dev, do what you like. Games can be successful in any genre and we are able to show you a game for every kink. So do what you can do best and we will enjoy it. Not everybody, ofc and maybe I don't like it.
But those Vampires are hot! So looking forward to the updates.