Ren'Py Blood Ties [v0.1.0 Alpha] [BaconLake]

[Chris2041]

Damn, according to Real Harem Fans there is no True Harem Certificate on this VN. How can we live with that? Should the developer put a disclaimer for Real Harem Fans to play this VN only with the supervision of a psychologist?

Dude the main girls are trash we arent saying this game isnt harem we habe to wait but if you like in these types of games that all girls are wore 1 , wore 2 , wore 3 good for you but i have more standards that chat gpt writen characters
Fuck this positive toxicity if something is bad is bad
Is the first game of this dev and he can take the feedback and make the characters feel more like characters and not like walking fleshlight or leave them like these but please not blame us players like the game has no flaws and we are being toxic
Dont do me a concord whit the game journalist defending a bad game and attacking the players

 

[Eleanorduval]

From the look of pics look interesting I hope I will try

Yeah graphic is great and characters too

 

[SamualHand]

Damn, according to Real Harem Fans there is no True Harem Certificate on this VN. How can we live with that? Should the developer put a disclaimer for Real Harem Fans to play this VN only with the supervision of a psychologist?

I think this is a double edged sword, the psychologist might become a Real Harem FAN (RHM) and also require a True Harem Certificate (THC) so afterwards the numbers are doubled, this is very dangerous territory here!

It's a harem but not a true harem, the girls are whores, what is it? Clearly a whore harem, a new tag is required for whore harems games, they might not have NTR, but almost and every RHM will go insane if their mouse touches such a game!

 

[Juerhullycin]

Yeah graphic is great and characters too

which is a lie because there are no characters in the game.

 

[TheOGVNLover]

I see kissing twins in the previews but no incest tag?

 

[S-G-H]

i really like vampire games but i always end up disappointed, when it come to vampire game in most case we are locking for a badass mc that have choice to be very evil and good someone like Klaus Mikaelson or something, so the end was very bad and so far we have seen everyone dick but ours.

 

[OG-Cheese]

Your being incredibly disingenuous about this and honestly arguing in bad faith. Here is what the game actually is, its a hedonistic world full of vampires who have big orgies and fuck each other and some are basically slaves to the higher ups and are pimped out for entertainment. You get flashbacks about how all the lis love sex and fuck around with everyone and anyone.

That's the perfect setup for a swinging, sharing, free use or just plain ol fuckfest game. You would have to be insane to play this and come away with oh this is going to be a good harem game. Its not remotely set up as a harem game, in fact it wont make a lick of sense as a harem game, the character's suddenly being like no I don't want to have sex party's after 400 years of hedonism. And outside a few outliers(like there is on both sides) , no one cares about them being virgins or having a history, it just you never show that in harem games because the vast majority of the audience will never want to see it let alone hear about it.

Unless this gets a rewrite or the dev commits to sharing and swinging this game will be stuck in the no mans land its in now, where most harem fans wont touch it and well the other side aint gonna go for it either because there nothing for them.

I am certainly not a fan of ntr/sharing and the like and this VN certainly sets a certain expectation about MC's li's but It could still be turned around if the dev chooses too. If the dev is good at telling a story he/she could make believable scenario's showing how great a lover/boss/person MC is and for him to break the ways of the past as a leader and for those li's to commit to the MC. They could also re-write (or not) a few of the early scene's to soften the blow but keep the history the same if they choose and still end up with a harem game full of likeable and lovable li's.

Sure currently it look's and feel's pretty bad for a traditional harem fan and imagining the future of the story but it does not have too feel the same by the end of v.0.2.

 

[dddkingddd]

I am certainly not a fan of ntr/sharing and the like and this VN certainly sets a certain expectation about MC's li's but It could still be turned around if the dev chooses too. If the dev is good at telling a story he/she could make believable scenario's showing how great a lover/boss/person MC is and for him to break the ways of the past as a leader and for those li's to commit to the MC. They could also re-write (or not) a few of the early scene's to soften the blow but keep the history the same if they choose and still end up with a harem game full of likeable and lovable li's.

Sure currently it look's and feel's pretty bad for a traditional harem fan and imagining the future of the story but it does not have too feel the same by the end of v.0.2.

i dunno how many players are gonna want to repurpose a toilet to serve as a mug tbh. i think there's a good bit that would need to be restructured for any of these ladies to be desired by more than a handful of the intended audience.

 

[Eleanorduval]

I see kissing twins in the previews but no incest tag?

not enough to get incest,just for 3-4 scenes

I am certainly not a fan of ntr/sharing and the like and this VN certainly sets a certain expectation about MC's li's but It could still be turned around if the dev chooses too. If the dev is good at telling a story he/she could make believable scenario's showing how great a lover/boss/person MC is and for him to break the ways of the past as a leader and for those li's to commit to the MC. They could also re-write (or not) a few of the early scene's to soften the blow but keep the history the same if they choose and still end up with a harem game full of likeable and lovable li's.

Sure currently it look's and feel's pretty bad for a traditional harem fan and imagining the future of the story but it does not have too feel the same by the end of v.0.2.

https://f95zone.to/threads/blood-ties-v0-1-0-alpha-baconlake.252762/post-16808786 it feel good for harem fan.Stop lighting a NTR war,He said himself in the post NTR/NTS isn't his things.

 

[GodlessPhantom]

Hello Eleanorduval

 

[Juerhullycin]

dddkingddd said it pretty much how it is

i dunno how many players are gonna want to repurpose a toilet to serve as a mug tbh.

all the Love interests are complete Garbage, the only thing I want to stick into them is a thrice-blessed stake and then decapitate them. We reached a point with the first release at which we need a whole new fucking cast.

 

[dddkingddd]

all the Love interests are complete Garbage, the only thing I want to stick into them is a thrice-blessed stake and then decapitate them. We reached a point with the first release at which we need a whole new fucking cast.

"i'm hot and would be down to fuck" is not a personality trait, but it's the only consistent characteristic that the cast possesses.

it's a shame really, cus i genuinely do see the effort put into this.
this isn't one of those games that reuses and recycles renders, there's a great variation when it comes to poses, and while i'm no expert in the area of pose presets, i haven't been able to distinctly notice any. that shit takes time and very deliberate effort and the dev gets huge props from me for that. i also noticed the sheer amount of information provided on the culture and history of vampires in-game. assuming ai wasn't used there, i see that as evidence of some real dedication. personally, i think i'd really struggle to build a world with lore that spans across history, so i'd give props for that too. unfortunately, that's just about the end of any praise that i have to give.

i think the dev would benefit from building the world through scenarios and interactions, as opposed to taking the "lore dump" approach. fans of popular, well written, iconic worlds (like star wars, star trek, hobbit, harry potter) would be more than willing to sit through a lore dump, but i'd say it's ill advised to intro your project with so much of it. we, the audience, have not had the chance to establish any connection with the characters, or the world. we don't have any reason to care yet.

see, if we were met with well written, interesting characters that have some depth and mystique to them, we would likely get to the point where we ask ourselves, "why are you this way?" or "why is this the way things work?" that's when the vampire lore comes in. that's when the audience would be genuinely interested in the cause that had this effect on the people involved in the story. some things must be left unexplained until the audience reaches the peak of their curiosity.

the first time we find out vamps are susceptible to dementia should be when we find out mc's dad came down with it, with him being reminded that it is a possibility/inevitability. the first time we find out vamps are immune to sunlight should be when we see one out during the day. i mean, how fun would it have been if we saw a vamp just snatch up a victim right in front of us, in broad daylight, in a kinda "gotcha" moment? one that isn't prefaced by a historical montage at the start of the game.

honestly, considering the fact that the mc's thoughts are presented to us as "bacon thoughts" before we're even prompted to name him, i probably shouldn't be surprised that the dev does a whole lotta stuff in the wrong order.

 

[SamualHand]

all the Love interests are complete Garbage, the only thing I want to stick into them is a thrice-blessed stake and then decapitate them. We reached a point with the first release at which we need a whole new fucking cast.

When they are garbage what are you doing here? Go in a whore house and complain you can't find virgins? Maybe the approach is wrong! Your 600 year old virgin only waiting for the MCs dick are in another story. Although a MILF virgin (like the mother!?) would be really hot! Even when she is 22 I don't care!

 

[Gunizz]

To BaconLake : are all images in the gallery unlockable with the current version? I haven't checked the code but I missed a few, despite trying a lot of variations.

BUG: couldn’t find image images/S03/p4.png
Grammar error: "Okay... You're father... He isn't well." > Alright, your father... he's not feeling well.
English could be improved a bit in my opinion. Maybe try to use some AI for help rewriting the dialogues.
Graphics: MC looks much older than his age. He's got wrinkles on his face. Something does not feel right there.
Otherwise, graphics are fine and pleasant. There is room for improvement but at the moment you better concentrate your efforts on the story and paths, in my opinion.
I feel the message on the bottom right to "click to continue" is distracting and not necessary.

The story seems interesting and if you produce an original and entertaining product you'll find your audience. Keep into consideration the feedback if it helps to improve your VN .

 

[Juerhullycin]

https://f95zone.to/threads/blood-ties-v0-1-0-alpha-baconlake.252762/post-16808786 it feel good for harem fan.Stop lighting a NTR war,He said himself in the post NTR/NTS isn't his things.

This is as comforting to read as it is to experience a mad man on the street punching you in the face while screaming he abhors violence

 

[NebulousShooter]

It's a harem game with sluts. They have had copious amounts of sex before the mc. They are vampires. They like hedonistic sex. It's worldbuilding. They all will end up with Mc anyway as it's a harem game. That's what makes it one. Not any other trope
Just that they all end up with MC.

There is no NTR as nobody cheats on or is being stolen from MC. It's not swinging because MC's gf or gfs in this case are not having sex with others with MC's approval. That's what it takes to get these tags. Nothing else.

If you want a harem game styled like the most popular HS game on the site with virginal girls who wait their whole lives to have sex with the mc then go ahead. That's one of my favorite games. But it's not this one.

If simply watching people have sex who aren't with the MC at the time is that much of a worry in a game about hedonistic vampires you can just nope out. Why rage at the game and not let the dev tell his story how he wants?

Gotta Love how they always go for the virgin argument, when the vast majority doesn't mention it at all. If that fails they will just whip out the good old Incel insult. Extra funny when they use that in an Incest game, where Mother-Son incest is the overwhelmingly preferred type. One would think that should be hint enough that its not about virginity, but apparently not.

Its like there are only two types of woman, Virgin Mary and the town Gangbang Cumslut & Proud of it, nothing in between for these mfs...That is what the entire discussion is about, characters have no need to be shown, or described that way unless that type of audience is targeted, tasteful inferring like the examples I gave in my original post are enough to establish 'lore'.

Also, thanks for pointing out how easy it is to evade arbitrary forum tags, yet produce content for the exact same type of audience. The tags are meaningless, they differ from forum to forum, even on the same platform they are constantly changing. The only things that matters is the narrative purpose of scenes and what emotion they are designed to evoke.

Tag them whatever you want, call them whatever you want, everyone that isn't completely disingenuous, or drools on themselves in their free time knows whats what and why.

Its not NTR is cheating
Its not NTR its rape
Its not NTR is voyeurism
The MC doesn't care
She was thinking about the MC the entire time and she loves him
Its a Flashback
Its a Dream
They are husband and wife
They didn't have the commitment talk.
nothing original, we've seen it all a hundred times before

If you have to justify their existence, you already know why they are there. No amount of posturing and high-horsing about Ancient Japan textbook definitions will shut down the pattern recognition part of people's brains. Because again, its not about the tags, its the content people have issues with. 'The tags' are just the familiar outlet in which they let out their frustrations with said content.

Yeah its gunna be a fun one, the dev was in the thread a few days ago so I can only hope he's actually reading these messages, though the game makes it very clear that the women do sleep around, and aren't going to stop when they join the mc's harem, its so heavily ingrained into the game, the characters, and the worldbuilding, that i'm 99.999% sure that the dev is sure of this direction and won't change it at all (which is fine, its his game not ours) I just think advertising the game towards harem fans was the wrong move, and he should have been going for the swingers and sharing crowd, even if the game is meant to be more romantic than they normally would enjoy (even though I doubt its going to be any kind of romance in the slightest considering the state of the game)

Which is why full transparency is the best business practice around here.

i dunno how many players are gonna want to repurpose a toilet to serve as a mug tbh

this made me

 

[JenMistress]

So, was finally able to get to this game, and got caught up with the Dev on it. Funny, had 2 vampires games in my Games to Play List and didn't realize it until tonight. Anyways, very nice start, must say. So much on this, really wondering where it is going. Thank you so very much for this, and totally looking forward for more!!!

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Gotta Love how they always go for the virgin argument, when the vast majority doesn't mention it at all. If that fails they will just whip out the good old Incel insult. Extra funny when they use that in an Incest game, where Mother-Son incest is the overwhelmingly preferred type. One would think that should be hint enough that its not about virginity, but apparently not.

Its like there are only two types of woman, Virgin Mary and the town Gangbang Cumslut & Proud of it, nothing in between for these mfs...That is what the entire discussion is about, characters have no need to be shown, or described that way unless that type of audience is targeted, tasteful inferring like the examples I gave in my original post are enough to establish 'lore'.

Also, thanks for pointing out how easy it is to evade arbitrary forum tags, yet produce content for the exact same type of audience. The tags are meaningless, they differ from forum to forum, even on the same platform they are constantly changing. The only things that matters is the narrative purpose of scenes and what emotion they are designed to evoke.

Tag them whatever you want, call them whatever you want, everyone that isn't completely disingenuous, or drools on themselves in their free time knows whats what and why.

Its not NTR is cheating
Its not NTR its rape
Its not NTR is voyeurism
The MC doesn't care
She was thinking about the MC the entire time and she loves him
Its a Flashback
Its a Dream
They are husband and wife
They didn't have the commitment talk.
nothing original, we've seen it all a hundred times before

If you have to justify their existence, you already know why they are there. No amount of posturing and high-horsing about Ancient Japan textbook definitions will shut down the pattern recognition part of people's brains. Because again, its not about the tags, its the content people have issues with. 'The tags' are just the familiar outlet in which they let out their frustrations with said content.
Which is why full transparency is the best business practice around here.

this made me

Look. Who knows at this point what the dev means with current content and what it means for overall themes. The tags change constantly on this one. I bet he doesn't even know what content will be shown. I'm not going to defend him anymore.

And content does matter. Absolutely. So a system needs to be put in place to categorize content into a universally applied system to be noticeable at a glance... like tags or something. If they don't like or refuse to understand the definitions of tags they can take it up with site admins or just suffer I suppose.
As for people not caring about tags at all, that will wind them up in situations where they will just have to deal with seeing content they don't like and just dealing with it.

 

[shamtiiomi]

another problem with the tags are [at least in this forum]when games have diferent paths for : expmple,avoidable ntr,aoidablefuta on male,etc ,if u put one of those tags to ur ignore list u are cutting games taht have ppartial tags also,so if a game have the gay tag on it but is avoidable or even skippable all the other good tags thegame or the nice content the game have goes to hell,...bcs of that im partially chek everything before cut a game off,...even when the content is not to my liking i try to detach myself from it,.[happends rarely] when i see content that i dont like and play the game i dont change anything form the dev doing,renam,realtionships,etc.
the premise here is quite normal,vampires are lust creatures and bcs they are inmortal[not exactly but almost]they live span goes till u got psychotic tendencies and dead,.i can understand the plot in those premises but if this is a vn and not a kinetic one i will let them all burn and be with the ppl that the mc can trust [it seems that is noneone],and for the sake of the dev and players i will recomend the dev being clear about the content not the tags if is skippable or avoidable if contains any hard kink that player need to know about before subs or even playing it casualy

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

another problem with the tags are [at least in this forum]when games have diferent paths for : expmple,avoidable ntr,aoidablefuta on male,etc ,if u put one of those tags to ur ignore list u are cutting games taht have ppartial tags also,so if a game have the gay tag on it but is avoidable or even skippable all the other good tags thegame or the nice content the game have goes to hell,...bcs of that im partially chek everything before cut a game off,...even when the content is not to my liking i try to detach myself from it,.[happends rarely] when i see content that i dont like and play the game i dont change anything form the dev doing,renam,realtionships,etc.
the premise here is quite normal,vampires are lust creatures and bcs they are inmortal[not exactly but almost]they live span goes till u got psychotic tendencies and dead,.i can understand the plot in those premises but if this is a vn and not a kinetic one i will let them all burn and be with the ppl that the mc can trust [it seems that is noneone],and for the sake of the dev and players i will recomend the dev being clear about the content not the tags if is skippable or avoidable if contains any hard kink that player need to know about before subs or even playing it casualy

I'm curious enough about the game and not really squeamish about things, so I'm just going to wait and see what the dev does. It's an interesting enough game for me to warrant that.

Devs used to be able to request for putting possible future tags and detail over what is avoidable in the Genre on the first post. Not sure if that's still the case.
But he'd need to settle on what he wants for that.