VN Ren'Py Blurring the Walls [v0.5.29] [Torimiata]

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kristo0086

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So... Since the remake has added many new scenes/CGs not in the original, does that means that Page 3 on the remake would be even lower on the original? Then it need way more than 7 pages until the remake reaches the original? :unsure:
Tori has just discredited himself. Indeed, with the new scenes, it will last even longer.
 

Torimiata

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The remake follows a story plan and 'technical' roadmap - not an arbitrary page count from the original. The point is to create the best possible version of the game, not to replicate the original page-for-page.

I try to be transparent about the development process and am happy to discuss constructive feedback. However, if the arguments boil down to accusations I'll have to add you to ignore/block list as that conversation won't be a productive use of anyone's time.

This will be my last message on this particular topic for the time being. Development continues on schedule with the bi-weekly releases.

Remember - waiting is always an option. These releases are for those who like to keep up with progress, provide input on direction and help with project.

Not all support is financial and I really appreciate all the genuine feedback that has been shared with me. The good and the bad.

It is really valuable and the main reason I have found this approach of shorter releases worthwhile versus working in the dark for months and months.
 

BigDaddyEhsan

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The remake follows a story plan and 'technical' roadmap - not an arbitrary page count from the original. The point is to create the best possible version of the game, not to replicate the original page-for-page.

I try to be transparent about the development process and am happy to discuss constructive feedback. However, if the arguments boil down to accusations I'll have to add you to ignore/block list as that conversation won't be a productive use of anyone's time.

This will be my last message on this particular topic for the time being. Development continues on schedule with the bi-weekly releases.

Remember - waiting is always an option. These releases are for those who like to keep up with progress, provide input on direction and help with project.

Not all support is financial and I really appreciate all the genuine feedback that has been shared with me. The good and the bad.

It is really valuable and the main reason I have found this approach of shorter releases worthwhile versus working in the dark for months and months.

public release when ??
 

idkmanerally

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This is a complete remake, not a remaster. I'm rebuilding everything from the ground up with new systems, improved artwork, and better script. (You can also see how many iterations it took to get this right by comparing the early "new" art to the current quality level.)
he keeps saying this but the remaster so far is very, very, very similar to the old version of the game.

some of the dialogue has changed, yes, but outside of the first chapter, the branches have barely been a thing and the story has progressed in almost the exact same way as the original
 
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Adamska

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I haven't played the new update, but this was where I was getting worried because in the previews from a few months ago during the pool scene she didn't even look at the mc, so I'm hoping that happens can anyone confirm for me without spoiling the update?
Ayumi definitely continues to prioritize MC during the pool scene and they communicate a lot, though as you might guess there will be "distractions" that they both wind up enjoying. If you like what this MC likes, the scene is wholesome.

For my personal take, with much respect to the creator and knowing everyone has individual preferences and yadda yadda:

The remake, to me, now feels much less like a couples discovery story, where lovers are trying new things and growing together as they learn what they enjoy. It's more like a boyfriend training story where everyone but MC is already very experienced and waiting for him to catch up (which, as I'll explain below, he never will due to the story's almost exclusive obsession with physical attributes). I haven't enjoyed that shift in tone, and I only see it getting more pronounced as the story goes on. Some of my favorite games are entirely HTML text, so for me the visual updates are neat but narrative beats are everything.

There have even been times where I couldn't keep a straight face while reading. A GF that prefers dicks so big they literally don't fit inside her, while fucking MC who has a Three-Dog and saying things like "is this all for me" or "you fill me up so nice," is so subtly patronizing that it's funny. Ayumi is a size queen that goes into a mindless trance every time she sees a big dick, fawns over and fantasizes about large physically dominant jerks, and is dating a passive micro-dick twink. She spends most dialogue reassuring (even a Strong/Dom) MC as he giggles, stutters, and tries not to cum from being touched while he fantasizes about bull dicks. As someone who isn't into that infantilization/femdom kink or constant bull dick descriptions, it's more off-putting than erotic.

I already see the Dom/Sub paths winding up like Bioware branches, where if MC picks Sub then Ayumi goes and does what she wants with no rules and if MC picks Dom he "demands" (while stuttering and premature ejaculating) that she does what she wants with no rules. A branch merge might help speed up development; it would remove script complexity and not much would be lost because it doesn't feel like MC will ever be able to embody a Dom/Alpha in this storyline. I got visions of that SNL skit where Jonah Hill is "The Champ" when thinking about this MC hanging out with his friends. It's made fairly clear that MC will never be able to truly satisfy Ari or Ayumi sexually on his own. They like him specifically because he wants to hear about them fucking other people and "gets so hard" from it...? Based on some rough calculations, that takes 50mL of blood for MC and 3 gallons for every other man in that universe. Almost everybody can easily do what this MC does, often better. It's somewhat disappointing to never have it explained why Ayumi and Ari are so uniquely infatuated with this guy, despite so much dialogue spent dancing around "you're physically incompatible with my true sexual preferences, but I love you because you're cool with me fucking big dick Alphas."
 

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Ayumi definitely continues to prioritize MC during the pool scene and they communicate a lot, though as you might guess there will be "distractions" that they both wind up enjoying. If you like what this MC likes, the scene is wholesome.

For my personal take, with much respect to the creator and knowing everyone has individual preferences and yadda yadda:

The remake, to me, now feels much less like a couples discovery story, where lovers are trying new things and growing together as they learn what they enjoy. It's more like a boyfriend training story where everyone but MC is already very experienced and waiting for him to catch up (which, as I'll explain below, he never will due to the story's almost exclusive obsession with physical attributes). I haven't enjoyed that shift in tone, and I only see it getting more pronounced as the story goes on. Some of my favorite games are entirely HTML text, so for me the visual updates are neat but narrative beats are everything.

There have even been times where I couldn't keep a straight face while reading. A GF that prefers dicks so big they literally don't fit inside her, while fucking MC who has a Three-Dog and saying things like "is this all for me" or "you fill me up so nice," is so subtly patronizing that it's funny. Ayumi is a size queen that goes into a mindless trance every time she sees a big dick, fawns over and fantasizes about large physically dominant jerks, and is dating a passive micro-dick twink. She spends most dialogue reassuring (even a Strong/Dom) MC as he giggles, stutters, and tries not to cum from being touched while he fantasizes about bull dicks. As someone who isn't into that infantilization/femdom kink or constant bull dick descriptions, it's more off-putting than erotic.

I already see the Dom/Sub paths winding up like Bioware branches, where if MC picks Sub then Ayumi goes and does what she wants with no rules and if MC picks Dom he "demands" (while stuttering and premature ejaculating) that she does what she wants with no rules. A branch merge might help speed up development; it would remove script complexity and not much would be lost because it doesn't feel like MC will ever be able to embody a Dom/Alpha in this storyline. I got visions of that SNL skit where Jonah Hill is "The Champ" when thinking about this MC hanging out with his friends. It's made fairly clear that MC will never be able to truly satisfy Ari or Ayumi sexually on his own. They like him specifically because he wants to hear about them fucking other people and "gets so hard" from it...? Based on some rough calculations, that takes 50mL of blood for MC and 3 gallons for every other man in that universe. Almost everybody can easily do what this MC does, often better. It's somewhat disappointing to never have it explained why Ayumi and Ari are so uniquely infatuated with this guy, despite so much dialogue spent dancing around "you're physically incompatible with my true sexual preferences, but I love you because you're cool with me fucking big dick Alphas."
I really appreciate this detailed feedback! This kind of perspective is valuable, especially since I'm sometimes too close to the story to see how certain elements might come across. (since I know exactly what will happen :LUL:)

Since I'm in community management mode today, let me address some of these points:

1 - You're right that MC, even on the Dom path, isn't the typical alpha male trope. That's intentional - he's still fundamentally a shy accountant. The Dom path is about his growth into that role rather than instantly becoming someone else.

2 - Regarding satisfaction - the walls of text in certain scenes were meant to show that MC has no trouble giving Ayumi (or Ari) orgasms. Ayumi is meant to be a tease regardless of path because that's core to her personality. She's more of a gentle dom in the femdom route and more bratty on the submissive route.

3 - Terrace was always designed as an outlier with his attributes. If anything, the remake makes MC way more standard-sized compared to the original. Part of the story's challenge (and fun!) is balancing that dynamic while maintaining a wholesome relationship. Another way of looking at it is: if you can destroy a relationship because of a larger dick, it's because it wasn't the right relationship from the start.

4 - Not every man in this universe has the same physical attributes as Terrace. Without revealing too much, Act 2 might surprise players with how things unfold.

5 - The hot past kink often focuses on memorable experiences, which naturally includes big cock encounters. Ayumi understands this is MC's kink and plays with it accordingly.

6 - The aftercare conversation following this scene addresses some of these concerns and that might not be immediately obvious.

It's still a story about discovery though - I simply decided to setup some story beats to make the build-up more believable in the limited time frame of the in-game timeline. If anything, and it might surprise you, Ayumi is actually the most innocent character in all of this. It's a Ayumi training story :sneaky: (and you can 'train' her to be dominant or submissive)

Even if the game doesn't hit all the right notes for you this is still very cool feedback. Thanks.
 

Adamska

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Appreciate the detailed reply! That future development perspective is helpful to frame the early Strong/Dom path, it's easy to forget that we're only seeing the first steps of the couple's adventure.

I've always enjoyed the "extra" text and conversations the couple has, I think it's one of the things that sets this game apart. I do check out when the kinks of the MC don't align with my own, and I guess I just noticed that I was checking out more in the remake than I had in the initial release. I do still see the love Ayumi shows MC and think they have some of the sweetest interactions in open relationship tales, even if I don't fully understand why that devotion is there given her sexual preferences and story as described so far. That probably means I'm most looking forward to the kink variety that will come with Act 2 and additional flashback scenes to fill in the unspoken relationship details!
 
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HappyCrab

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I really appreciate this detailed feedback! This kind of perspective is valuable, especially since I'm sometimes too close to the story to see how certain elements might come across. (since I know exactly what will happen :LUL:)

Since I'm in community management mode today, let me address some of these points:

1 - You're right that MC, even on the Dom path, isn't the typical alpha male trope. That's intentional - he's still fundamentally a shy accountant. The Dom path is about his growth into that role rather than instantly becoming someone else.

2 - Regarding satisfaction - the walls of text in certain scenes were meant to show that MC has no trouble giving Ayumi (or Ari) orgasms. Ayumi is meant to be a tease regardless of path because that's core to her personality. She's more of a gentle dom in the femdom route and more bratty on the submissive route.

3 - Terrace was always designed as an outlier with his attributes. If anything, the remake makes MC way more standard-sized compared to the original. Part of the story's challenge (and fun!) is balancing that dynamic while maintaining a wholesome relationship. Another way of looking at it is: if you can destroy a relationship because of a larger dick, it's because it wasn't the right relationship from the start.

4 - Not every man in this universe has the same physical attributes as Terrace. Without revealing too much, Act 2 might surprise players with how things unfold.

5 - The hot past kink often focuses on memorable experiences, which naturally includes big cock encounters. Ayumi understands this is MC's kink and plays with it accordingly.

6 - The aftercare conversation following this scene addresses some of these concerns and that might not be immediately obvious.

It's still a story about discovery though - I simply decided to setup some story beats to make the build-up more believable in the limited time frame of the in-game timeline. If anything, and it might surprise you, Ayumi is actually the most innocent character in all of this. It's a Ayumi training story :sneaky: (and you can 'train' her to be dominant or submissive)

Even if the game doesn't hit all the right notes for you this is still very cool feedback. Thanks.
Keep sticking true to your vision! There's a lot of toxicity on this forum, don't let these gremlins poison your creativity. They wish they could do something half as creative themselves.
 

Poa963

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I'm using translator to write this so forgive me for any mistakes

I know that the vast majority must be wanting to see the scene where Ari and Terrace spank Ayumi, but what I want to see most is the conversation between MC and Ari after the MC sees Ari and Terrace kissing in the pool

I'm really enjoying the remake since the MC seems more developed to see a possible scene between Ayumi x Terrace than in the original

keep up the great work tori and i hope the MC survives the teasing he will suffer when Ari and Ayumi meet
 

Adamska

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What's the point on giving you any feedback, if you never listen to it. I already try in last year, but it give zero results. You will stick to "you vision" no matter what, or drop the project.
That's our role as fans though, isn't it? Speak honestly and hope some of the stuff we want is picked up over time. I do feel that Tori incorporates the suggestions they think will improve the envisioned plot. They also don't overly restrict forum posts and engage with readers here, which is a really positive sign that they're reading and considering all feedback.

In my opinion, the value of modern VN devs/creators is being exactly that "vision" filter you mentioned (even if every change won't jive with every reader). Otherwise we wind up with 100% AI-generated Patreon poll slop clones.
 

hmc15

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Using gallery pages as a progress metric isn't accurate - the remake has restructured content and added many new scenes/CGs not in the original.

The remake currently contains over 70,000 words, with story progression now at day 3 (dinner time). For timeline reference, 0.6 starts on day 4 at night, and we're very close to reaching the content from 0.4.2 (the update before the party content).

This is a complete remake, not a remaster. I'm rebuilding everything from the ground up with new systems, improved artwork, and better script. (You can also see how many iterations it took to get this right by comparing the early "new" art to the current quality level.)

Updates are released consistently every two weeks. If anyone feels the value isn't there, I'm happy to provide refunds - I've never wanted anyone to feel obligated to support the project.

For those interested in the project's direction, I welcome feedback on any of the new content or features.

Development continues, with the next update coming in less than 2 weeks as scheduled.
Better script? Great. Get rid of the entire maze route...makes zero sense.
 

Madhealzz

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Am I the only one that genuinely really enjoyed the maze scene? The party as a whole was so unique from any other game at the time when the update released, and seeing glimpses of ayumi little by little was crazy well done in the maze portion. I genuinely had fun playing that update.

That was my 2nd favorite update (dressing room scene just too peak) but all I ever see is hate for it
 
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Ayumi definitely continues to prioritize MC during the pool scene and they communicate a lot, though as you might guess there will be "distractions" that they both wind up enjoying. If you like what this MC likes, the scene is wholesome.

For my personal take, with much respect to the creator and knowing everyone has individual preferences and yadda yadda:

The remake, to me, now feels much less like a couples discovery story, where lovers are trying new things and growing together as they learn what they enjoy. It's more like a boyfriend training story where everyone but MC is already very experienced and waiting for him to catch up (which, as I'll explain below, he never will due to the story's almost exclusive obsession with physical attributes). I haven't enjoyed that shift in tone, and I only see it getting more pronounced as the story goes on. Some of my favorite games are entirely HTML text, so for me the visual updates are neat but narrative beats are everything.

There have even been times where I couldn't keep a straight face while reading. A GF that prefers dicks so big they literally don't fit inside her, while fucking MC who has a Three-Dog and saying things like "is this all for me" or "you fill me up so nice," is so subtly patronizing that it's funny. Ayumi is a size queen that goes into a mindless trance every time she sees a big dick, fawns over and fantasizes about large physically dominant jerks, and is dating a passive micro-dick twink. She spends most dialogue reassuring (even a Strong/Dom) MC as he giggles, stutters, and tries not to cum from being touched while he fantasizes about bull dicks. As someone who isn't into that infantilization/femdom kink or constant bull dick descriptions, it's more off-putting than erotic.

I already see the Dom/Sub paths winding up like Bioware branches, where if MC picks Sub then Ayumi goes and does what she wants with no rules and if MC picks Dom he "demands" (while stuttering and premature ejaculating) that she does what she wants with no rules. A branch merge might help speed up development; it would remove script complexity and not much would be lost because it doesn't feel like MC will ever be able to embody a Dom/Alpha in this storyline. I got visions of that SNL skit where Jonah Hill is "The Champ" when thinking about this MC hanging out with his friends. It's made fairly clear that MC will never be able to truly satisfy Ari or Ayumi sexually on his own. They like him specifically because he wants to hear about them fucking other people and "gets so hard" from it...? Based on some rough calculations, that takes 50mL of blood for MC and 3 gallons for every other man in that universe. Almost everybody can easily do what this MC does, often better. It's somewhat disappointing to never have it explained why Ayumi and Ari are so uniquely infatuated with this guy, despite so much dialogue spent dancing around "you're physically incompatible with my true sexual preferences, but I love you because you're cool with me fucking big dick Alphas."
Give it some time, tori probably will make you to suck out terrace cum out of girls holes at some point of the story haha.
 
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mok135

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Am I the only one that genuinely really enjoyed the maze scene? The party as a whole was so unique from any other game at the time when the update released, and seeing glimpses of ayumi little by little was crazy well done in the maze portion. I genuinely had fun playing that update.

That was my 2nd favorite update (dressing room scene just too peak) but all I ever see is hate for it
It was an ok update. The reclamation scene was great, everything after that was mid. It was too much of a step down from the dressing room scene - that was why people disliked it that much. But the last scene in the club was gearing up to be something good.
 

mok135

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Standard size? Dude, his dick is like pinkie size tiny pee pee. Idk, you need to go outside more with your boys or something to compare, skinny dip or something. That's not an average, that's pathetic tiny dick xD
This is cuck ntr game and his tiny dick is to shame player into beta position.
DId you really play the remake or are you talking about the size in the original? Because in the remake it seems like a slightly below average 5 inch dick, which is fine for this game. I am not sure what are you talking about :BootyTime: Maybe you have played and read too much hentai if you think that something like Terrace is actually reasonable.
 
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idkmanerally

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Am I the only one that genuinely really enjoyed the maze scene? The party as a whole was so unique from any other game at the time when the update released, and seeing glimpses of ayumi little by little was crazy well done in the maze portion. I genuinely had fun playing that update.

That was my 2nd favorite update (dressing room scene just too peak) but all I ever see is hate for it
it was teased as a big escalation and let people down. kazou ended up being a nothing character, terrace was gone from the entire party, almost all of the sex scenes were lesbian scenes, the greek stuff was out-of-place and didn't pay off at all, and then ended on a cliffhanger that was never resolved and the game got rebooted shortly after.
 

Luther9555

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Party being not realistic is such a dumb argument. Sure I think it was downgrade from changing room but calling themed party not realistic is moronic. Kazou is some old rich guy who lives near a beach in a big ass mension, why do you think he or his parties need to be "realistic"
 
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