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redoubt27

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Does the remake eliminate that awful, awful scene at the cult party?
Don't know, yet.
Remake story hasn't made it to that point.
And which scene was awful, awful?...:LOL:
There were quite a few choices to be made, and don't recall an awful, awful scene that couldn't really be avoided.
 
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Torimiata

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Great work on the update Tori. Can't wait to see how much the next updates deviate from the original.

I wonder if Ayumi and/or Ari will play with the pizza boys pepperoni
The girls do enjoy a nice chunky pepperoni :sneaky:

First ever post on f95

so i have been lurking on these boards long enough to say i have played almost all of the top contenders in this category... ai/nts/ntr/phone etc. This is my first ever post. so why now? because i used to care about this game. I thought it had great potential, I enjoy the slow burn, the tension, the art... I was hooked. was.

I stuck with the dev through the questionable decision to remaster. never said an ill word. but this slow walk in development of the story ever since then has just frustrated me to the point i don't care. I feel like i already know what the story will be a year from now as it seemingly will not have even caught up. dev doesn't owe me anything, but I thought i would offer some feedback as to why I'm personally done caring about this game.



to this ^^ I say to you; we will quit saying it when it quits seeming to be the truth. many solo devs have set backs yet this is the most egregious example I can think of, thus why people keep stating it. for most of us, its an honest criticism, not flippant material.

best wishes to your game and may your future endeavors be better planned. However this is game is a final nail as to why I will only put money into complete projects going forward. I simply believe this will see an abandoned tag before a completed one and got bored waiting for seeming micro-progression in a story we have already been told once before. Yet I do wish this project the best. you have real talent in this space and that is undeniable. I just feel like I have been held hostage for this game since the remaster decision. which I was grudgingly willing to look past. or maybe im just a jerk. either way, thanks for the memories, but i think its best if we see other people. <- hey look new material!
I appreciate you taking the time to write up your thoughts instead of the typical one-liner I see often. Especially from OG fans.

The remake decision wasn't made lightly. When I abandoned the "simple remaster" plan for a full remake, I knew it meant essentially starting from scratch.

A remake shares story beats with the original, but it's not easy, instant work. Why would it be? A remake of a movie requires new actors, new processes, new shooting, new script, new CGI, etc. A visual novel is just another medium.

Was it risky? Definitely. But looking at where we are now... I stand by that decision 100%.

If the game survived last year's development hell while I figured out direction and workflows, it's not going anywhere now unless something major shifts in my life.

I'm also transparent about being a solo part-time developer with a busy life outside of BTW. As long as people understand that, then we good.

If you ever decide to check back, perhaps consider playing every few months rather than following each micro-update. I do this myself with games I support.

Does the remake eliminate that awful, awful scene at the cult party?
Won't spoil but party is gonna be very different from OG.
 
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elMeno88

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this rebuild is really worth the wait until now, I just hope he'll re add soon the gallery, because some scenes need to be seen more than once!!!
 
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Came here to say this. Really like it so far. The animations are good bit also wird at the same time. And why are they always wet to the Point that some sort of liquid is gushing out of nowhere? Anyway, keep.up the Work. You got a lot of hate lately, Bit you delivered eventually
 

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"He touched my butt and I liked it - GAME OVER"
sigh...... this just feels so stupid... i feel like this game is having identity crisis where there is kinetic element of romantic love, but somehow there is this sharing fetish involved just to serve as bad ends? i think people on both sides would be happier if this just turned into kinetic romantic visual novel

my frustrations aside, there is actual issue that could be looked into, pretty minor, but annoying - animation settings do not save, every time you launch game they are reset on enabled even if you disabled them and quit the game properly with even making a save..
 

Raferu

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Yeah I have to agree that the "bad" endings are a bit silly, even considering the context of this game. I understand that Ayumi wants to take it slow, but being groped by Terrace is hardly the end of the world, especially when she just stood there and let him get to her. Sure, she could have taken some time to think it over, or if she had not enjoyed it at all it would be understandable. but the whole "we're never doing any of this again because I enjoyed being groped by Terrace" is really far-fetched.
 

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I'd agree the update is more going in the right direction, and seems to be steepening the progression pace (settle down tori and supporters he's still a pos who basically stole money for 8 months), but I will give the game that objectively on its face.
 

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"He touched my butt and I liked it - GAME OVER"
sigh...... this just feels so stupid... i feel like this game is having identity crisis where there is kinetic element of romantic love, but somehow there is this sharing fetish involved just to serve as bad ends? i think people on both sides would be happier if this just turned into kinetic romantic visual novel

my frustrations aside, there is actual issue that could be looked into, pretty minor, but annoying - animation settings do not save, every time you launch game they are reset on enabled even if you disabled them and quit the game properly with even making a save..
I've been trying to figure out my major qualm with this game, and yeah, I think this actually nails it. I'd say this would genuinely be better as a traditional romance VN instead of a netorase story.

I've realized I'm not invested in really anything this game has done, especially with its characters, aside from the MC and Ayumi. Terrace himself just kind of sucks, lol, and the NTS sections/foreshadows really aren't hitting. I'm not saying this from an anti-NTS/NTR perspective either, believe me. Of course I'd love if this game actually became a worthwhile NTS experience, but I just don't think it's built that way. Very interesting to think about.
 

sksi35

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I like the animations,they look fresh and well done imo,i think they are a nice addition.The bad endings so far i think are hot as a what if scenario,while simultaneously they add realism i think?(you know breaking the trust of your partner by not abiding to what is agreed upon)and although i want to see Ayumi in all her glory i understand it would break character because the couple is very shy,taking babysteps.One question that i have is about the pizza boy,is he somehow related to the owner of the mansion of the toga party,both being eccentric and with the same hair color?
 
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If I remember correctly, Ayumi says she took the photo herself with a timer (so, in theory, Terrace didn't see her boobs in all their naked glory). But to me the scene gives the feeling that she's hiding the truth and that it was Terrace who took the picture. Whether that last part was intentional on Torimiata's part or not I do not know.
Well, the truth is I wouldn't have anything to hide,
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I was just asking because I didn't understand that part, but it makes sense the way you say it
 

pr0dukt

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jesus, ya'll are this far into the games life cycle and Terrace still hasn't dicked down Ayumi? NTR:Lite coded fr...
Shame too, considering the narrative had a good initial setup..
 

DMann4

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Slow slow slow, remake, slow slow slow, remake, slow slow slow.
Project abandoned

always the same
I call it 4D NTR. The creator has a great time, gets paid and you get to watch then leave with blue balls.

That said, this game far outpaces most others in terms of quality. They chose to use a story style where both the main characters have a personality and aren't just falling forward into debauchery, so while I'm disappointed that it's not further along, especially since the most recent update didn't really progress the story, I would be much more disappointed if it were abandoned.

A+ Renders
A+ Story
C Progression
 

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"He touched my butt and I liked it - GAME OVER"
sigh...... this just feels so stupid... i feel like this game is having identity crisis where there is kinetic element of romantic love, but somehow there is this sharing fetish involved just to serve as bad ends? i think people on both sides would be happier if this just turned into kinetic romantic visual novel

my frustrations aside, there is actual issue that could be looked into, pretty minor, but annoying - animation settings do not save, every time you launch game they are reset on enabled even if you disabled them and quit the game properly with even making a save..
The bad end execution could've been better. But aint no way brother just said a game whose whole premise is sharing and is branded as an NTS visual novel would be better without the NTS... im dead
 

Torimiata

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I'd agree the update is more going in the right direction, and seems to be steepening the progression pace (settle down tori and supporters he's still a pos who basically stole money for 8 months), but I will give the game that objectively on its face.
Development was 6 paid months (including old 0.6 update development) + 2 unpaid months. 40k+ words and hundreds of CGs on initial remake release on Jan.

You can dislike the pace - fair enough - but the "stealing money" claim is just brain-dead hater discourse at this point.

"He touched my butt and I liked it - GAME OVER"
sigh...... this just feels so stupid... i feel like this game is having identity crisis where there is kinetic element of romantic love, but somehow there is this sharing fetish involved just to serve as bad ends? i think people on both sides would be happier if this just turned into kinetic romantic visual novel

my frustrations aside, there is actual issue that could be looked into, pretty minor, but annoying - animation settings do not save, every time you launch game they are reset on enabled even if you disabled them and quit the game properly with even making a save..
Yeah I have to agree that the "bad" endings are a bit silly, even considering the context of this game. I understand that Ayumi wants to take it slow, but being groped by Terrace is hardly the end of the world, especially when she just stood there and let him get to her. Sure, she could have taken some time to think it over, or if she had not enjoyed it at all it would be understandable. but the whole "we're never doing any of this again because I enjoyed being groped by Terrace" is really far-fetched.
Thanks for the feedback on the bad end! I like that scene but some script adjustments could definitely make the reaction feel more justified - I'll keep this in mind before the public release, I have some ideas.

To be clear, the core issue isn't just the groping but MC breaking a clear boundary they established. There's an internal conflict for Ayumi between her enjoyment and broken trust but this is too early in the story to push the boundaries that far.

There's also the practicality of this being a BAD END and I don't want to sprawl the narrative in a direction that leads nowhere so I cut the content down a bit...


I've been trying to figure out my major qualm with this game, and yeah, I think this actually nails it. I'd say this would genuinely be better as a traditional romance VN instead of a netorase story.

I've realized I'm not invested in really anything this game has done, especially with its characters, aside from the MC and Ayumi. Terrace himself just kind of sucks, lol, and the NTS sections/foreshadows really aren't hitting. I'm not saying this from an anti-NTS/NTR perspective either, believe me. Of course I'd love if this game actually became a worthwhile NTS experience, but I just don't think it's built that way. Very interesting to think about.
Fair take, but it sounds more like it's just not the right fit for you. I enjoy a good traditional romance story too but the whole purpose of this story is establishing a Pure Love and then
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Raferu

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To be clear, the core issue isn't just the groping but MC breaking a clear boundary they established.
I get what you mean, and I think I understand the intention behind the scene. But just imagine the following scenario, where Ayumi didn't conspire with the MC to make sure Terrace found Ari. The only time the MC intervenes is when Terrace has almost grabbed Ayumi. Naturally, Terrace would have groped her, thinking she was Ari, just like what happens on the bad ending. However, since the MC was under no obligation to direct Terrace towards Ari there would be no justified anger towards him. And I imagine Ayumi would still have enjoyed being groped by Terrace. What happens then? Does she accept what happened and moves on? Does she fall for Terrace? Does she get mad at the MC for not being psychic and saving her from being groped when he had no idea that would happen if he got to Ayumi? And, according to what we see, her being groped was an inevitability. The only thing that makes it a bad ending is her freezing in place and waiting for the MC to follow the plan.

That's my issue with that particular bad ending. I apologize for the wall of text, and I hope I was able to convey myself clearly since, like many people here, English isn't my native tongue.
 
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